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  • Stiff rider at trot and canter, ideas??

    So I am helping two gals with their horses. The older is a very stiff rider, she tries (really hard!) but it is just going to take time.

    Her biggest issue seems to be going with the feel and rhythm at the trot and canter. She is doing well posting on the lunge but feels the need to hang on at the sitting trot and canter (she rides western) or she gets unbalanced.

    Before I started helping her, there was an unfortunate event in that she was working with a Pepperoni who told her to lean wayyyyyyy back to stop her horse (think obtuse angle of about 145 degrees!) and also to lift straight up on the reins (still not sure what that was for). So, unlearning some of this as well as balancing properly, whew!

    Right now she is getting the mechanics of legs underneath, heels down and weight in the heels, upper body erect, etc but trying to describe feel to her I think I am not clear. "supple lower back" and "tighten and use your abs" so far don't seem to be helping.

    Ideas? And yes, she has a saint of a packer she is being lunged on.

  • #2
    Longe her on him bareback.

    Have her use a hula hoop daily, to loosen hips.

    Tell her not to force her shoulders back to keep from rounding her back. Instead, relax, slump over, and then raise her chest by inhaling and visualizing filling her chest with air starting down in her diaphragm, and letting the air raise/open her chest. It avoids having her get tense.

    Have her hold the reins in a driving rein position.

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      #3
      Thanks! I love the filling her chest/rising with air idea

      We haven't quite got to the having reins part yet

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      • #4
        Make her walk (on the lounge) totally relaxed - feet out of stirrups, arms hanging down by sides, eyes closed. After a few circles, most people will allow their hips to follow the horses motion, and you will see her toes lower down and her legs start to move with the horses barrel.

        No point in trying it at the trot if she can't do it at the walk.

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          #5
          She is fine at the walk. I think she is tensing up because of the faster speed.

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          • #6
            [QUOTE=twotrudoc;5266128]So I am helping two gals with their horses. The older is a very stiff rider, she tries (really hard!) but it is just going to take time. Her biggest issue seems to be going with the feel and rhythm at the trot and canter.


            A stiff drink might help a bit (only partly kidding). Some of us older women are just stiff....arthritis and fibromyalgia are common problems as are years of poor use of our bodies. If it is mostly mental have some visualization of limp noodles etc. Have her wriggle her toes (legs simply can't stay tight and do this...my cutting trainer used to YELL at me "TOES...WRIGGLE YOUR TOES!!" He also suggested I picture my lower back as having a universal joint in it just at the lumbosacral area (especially good image for cutting/reining riders). Relaxation exercises including diaphramatic breathing. One of those exercise balls with a handle....sit straddle of the handle while watching TV etc...you will automatically begin to move as it does. I practice "sinking" into the saddle for stopping my horse every time I come to a stop in the car....gets me some odd looks from other drivers but it is now a reflex....stop means sink down deep.

            Bareback (or with bareback pad, no stirrups) on lunge line at a walk. Close eyes, hold arms out to the sides level with shoulders...alternately touch nose with fingertip.

            Used this one when teaching riding to one of the ladies that worked at one of the brothels here in NV......the hip movement and ab muscle use in riding the canter/lope isn't very different from the one used in enthusiatically entertaining male customers in her business. She laughed, got it, was riding much better in just a few minutes. Don't know if this would work with your client or not.....
            Colored Cowhorse Ranch
            www.coloredcowhorseranch.com
            Northern NV

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            • #7
              Actually, let her hang on at trot and canter. If she's being lunged w/o reins, that's fine. She can pull herself down into the saddle, using only her outside hand.

              If you aren't doing this already, at the walk, work on exercises like windmill arms, turning her torso with arms stretched out at shoulder level, rotating her head in a circle and from side to side (all as slowly as possible).

              Lifting each leg away from the saddle; lifting up one knee at time, working up to lifting both legs at once like a jockey. Leaning forward in this jockey position. Reaching back with one arm to touch the rump. Leaning back deliberately at the 45 degree angle and using tummy muscles to pull upright and find "vertical."

              There are a ton of lunge exercises for the rider, lots of books etc. Starting at the walk, these will help her loosen, develop her balance and allow her body to follow the motion of the horse without "trying." Eventually she can try them at the trot if she's willing, but allow her to become really comfortable first at the walk.
              Ring the bells that still can ring
              Forget your perfect offering
              There is a crack in everything
              That's how the light gets in.

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              • Original Poster

                #8
                Oh great! Thank you cowhorse and Melan

                She is doing exercises at the walk but we will keep on. I love the toe wiggle. Also, lifting knees at the walk.

                Oh, ad she is in her late teens so no go on the drinking or brothel idea LOL!!

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                • #9
                  Hey E,

                  I like those two last ideas. Thank goodness I'm as old as dirt so no raised eyebriars

                  Nic

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                  • #10
                    Yoga?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by twotrudoc View Post

                      Oh, ad she is in her late teens !


                      LOL, when you use "stiff" and "older rider" in the same sentence, the last thing I think is "late teens."

                      Guess that shows something about MY age. LOL

                      Good luck. If she's that young, heck, I'd definitely get her into the trot with a lot of lunge exercises fairly quickly. Just doing them will take occupy her mind and help her release the tension that's making her stiff.

                      But I'd continue to let her hold on or reach for the saddle when she feels like she needs to. Relaxation requires confidence. Confidence will come with balance. Balance comes with practice, but meanwhile you don't want fear to get in the way.
                      Ring the bells that still can ring
                      Forget your perfect offering
                      There is a crack in everything
                      That's how the light gets in.

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                      • #12
                        take away her stirrups, and let her hold on with her outside hand at the pommel and the inside hand between the panels, under the cantle. The tell her to close her eyes and think about riding like a sack of potatoes.

                        Once she gets the relaxation, even if her posture sucks, then you can go back and work on the heels down, chest up, etc. She's not going to be able to figure it all out at the same time.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by twotrudoc View Post
                          and she is in her late teens so no go on the drinking or brothel idea LOL!!


                          Oh shoot.....I thought you meant she was OLD (as in older than dirt)...which, in my world, is now someone approaching 80 or so!! ("old" gets further out there every year!). Yoga, pilates....she should be as limber as cooked spaghetti! Sounds more mental....use visualization/relaxation....stay at a walk until she's able to do vaulting up there and then move to a trot....only kidding (sort of).
                          Colored Cowhorse Ranch
                          www.coloredcowhorseranch.com
                          Northern NV

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Hampton Bay View Post
                            She's not going to be able to figure it all out at the same time.
                            Very good point, HB

                            One of the most common mistakes among instructors is to try to start with the goal, correcting everything that's not the goal, rather than teaching each part separately and then gradually putting them together.

                            (This applies to teaching horses too!)
                            Ring the bells that still can ring
                            Forget your perfect offering
                            There is a crack in everything
                            That's how the light gets in.

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                            • Original Poster

                              #15
                              Thanks so much!!

                              So I think continuing the exercises at the walk and sack of potatoes it is at the trot for now.

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                                #16
                                Originally posted by 2BayPonies View Post
                                Hey E,

                                I like those two last ideas. Thank goodness I'm as old as dirt so no raised eyebriars

                                Nic

                                I love you Shouldn't your name be 2BaysOnerealchunky ??? LOL!! Give Boo a kiss and some apple?

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                                • #17
                                  Have her move the bodypart that she is stiff at while at the walk and trot or I'd start in this case at a slow jog and progress up in speed as the body begins to move.

                                  Let me explain further. If she is stiff in the back, put her on the lunge and have her pretend to hulahoop while the horse is moving. 5 hoops in each direcrtion, repeat until it's easy. This will start to allow the muscles to "think" in a different pattern.

                                  if it is the leg that is stiff and unmoving, have her swing her legs back and forth and side to side until it's easy and soft.

                                  at the trot, give her a grab strap to use until she her muscles begin to balance her automatically.
                                  If i'm posting on Coth, it's either raining so I can't ride or it's night time and I can't sleep.

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                                  • #18
                                    Don't you be calling my baby girl chunky...only mama gets to comment on her fluffiness LOL

                                    I'll give a kiss & scritches, no unauthorized snacks!

                                    Oh, any ideas for really tight hips?

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                                    • Original Poster

                                      #19
                                      LOL!! I should get the other daughter to take pics of me demonstrating (while standing on the ground) how ones hips move at the sitting trot and canter. Most action I have had in years N!

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                                      • #20
                                        Another thing that helps, if she's musically inclined at all, is to listen to some fun and funky music on the radio/mp3 player and dance to it while on horseback.

                                        Sounds stupid? Yup....but if you can't get them to sing out loud (which helps too, but usually only with the younger kids who aren't embarrassed yet) grooving with some Taio or something else will help.

                                        Honestly - sounds dumb, but it works.

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