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Mice in the grain at Maker's Mark Secretariat Center

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  • Mice in the grain at Maker's Mark Secretariat Center

    Here's a "note" from Maker's Mark Secretariat Center entitled "Responsible for Life".

    Squeaks and the patter of small feet are the sounds coming from the feed room in the morning. Don’t let these noises alarm you, the sounds are just our “pet” mice scampering around on our grain. In order to feed, Melissa has trained our tiny pets to climb into the red feed scoop, and only this scoop, to be moved safely out of the way so that grain can be scooped out. The process of removing the mice from the grain has become part of the morning feeding ritual and daily life at the Center.

    Our small furry friends peek out to say hello while we are cleaning stalls too.
    While tossing shavings around in the stalls, mice dart from one side to the other avoiding the giant humans and horses who share the barn. The mice have just become another characteristic of the barn since they make an appearance so often, almost as familiar as our horses and volunteers.


    This is wrong on so many levels. Not only are mice destructive in barns (number of barn fires caused by mice chewing through electrical wiring), but, they carry diseases! Their urine and feces (and I assume they are not "house broken") can carry leptospirosis and salmonella. And they are loose in the grain!

    That doesn't even begin to include the diseases they can transmit to humans.

    Wow. Just Wow.

  • #2
    Like Hanta virus...

    This was nasty even reading it...
    You can't connect the dots looking forward; you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something… S. Jobs

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      #3
      If you read the entire article, they talk about raccoons in the barn too. I can only assume if the grain bins are left open, they are open to possums too.

      Having just had to put down a boarder's horse with a relapse of EPM, I am more than horrified. I wonder if the Kentucky Horse Park is aware of what's going on on their grounds.

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      • #4
        Is that to give you the warm and fuzzies for the Season of Giving?

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        • #5
          Pretty much every state has a TNR organization that offers free barn cats that are sterilized, vaccinated and ready to catch mice. This is a great deal and though donations are never refused they are not required and the cats always need good homes. Ally Cat Allies should have a list of TNR organizations and if you can find one there are always cats that need homes even if you have to pay a vet to get them fixed and ready.

          It serves 2 purposes, you eliminate the mouse problem with about 10 cats while giving the cat homes. Of course keeping healthy cats does require feeding and providing a fresh water source. But the mousing is automatic. Sounds like a fair deal to me.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by LauraKY View Post
            If you read the entire article, they talk about raccoons in the barn too. I can only assume if the grain bins are left open, they are open to possums too.

            Having just had to put down a boarder's horse with a relapse of EPM, I am more than horrified. I wonder if the Kentucky Horse Park is aware of what's going on on their grounds.
            Really...honestly....have you been out there? I have and I am a volunteer there. The grain bins that you are assuming are left open are actually closed.

            What barn doesn't have mice that climb in the grain bins? My old "A" show barn had it and we had barn cats there too.
            "The horse you get off f is not the same horse you got on. It is your job as a rider to ensure that as often as possible, the change is for the better" - unknown author

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            • #7
              Smplysweet, I respect you and your knowledge but I must disagree. I have NEVER seen a mouse in my feed bins. Never. They are closed securely and nothing gets in.

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              • #8
                anybody I know goes through great length to keep mice out of the feed.

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                • #9
                  That's awful! There's plenty of trappers around here that can humanely get rid of these animals. Even if the horses don't get sick they risk bringing those diseases to other farms.

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                  • #10
                    Wow, it really upsets me that you all jump to conclusions about our Center. Have you ever been out here? We strive to have a barn that compares to "A" circuit show barns, breeding barns, etc. What barn doesn't have mice? I invite all of you and hope to see you all out here before you speak negatively about us.

                    We don't have an infestation of mice in fact there are no more than 1 or 2 every morning. Yes, we had a raccoon but she has gone and don't you think that had we seen her during the day something would have been done about it?

                    Next time you talk negatively about a place, don't you think you should make sure you are speaking the truth? You can ask anyone who comes out here- our horses look good, feel good, our barn is so clean you could eat off of the floor, and heck, we are a NOT FOR PROFIT. Our wonderful volunteers keep this place as if it were their own homes.

                    I am truly disgusted by what has been said without any one of you coming out here. A simple article on how we are responsible for life and everyone blows up.

                    Thank you to our dedicated volunteers, sponsors, and supporters.

                    MMSC.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by MLDhorse View Post
                      Wow, it really upsets me that you all jump to conclusions about our Center. Have you ever been out here? We strive to have a barn that compares to "A" circuit show barns, breeding barns, etc. What barn doesn't have mice? I invite all of you and hope to see you all out here before you speak negatively about us.

                      We don't have an infestation of mice in fact there are no more than 1 or 2 every morning. Yes, we had a raccoon but she has gone and don't you think that had we seen her during the day something would have been done about it?

                      Next time you talk negatively about a place, don't you think you should make sure you are speaking the truth? You can ask anyone who comes out here- our horses look good, feel good, our barn is so clean you could eat off of the floor, and heck, we are a NOT FOR PROFIT. Our wonderful volunteers keep this place as if it were their own homes.

                      I am truly disgusted by what has been said without any one of you coming out here. A simple article on how we are responsible for life and everyone blows up.

                      Thank you to our dedicated volunteers, sponsors, and supporters.

                      MMSC.
                      I agree!
                      "The horse you get off f is not the same horse you got on. It is your job as a rider to ensure that as often as possible, the change is for the better" - unknown author

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                      • #12
                        Give me a break, defenders. The article, from the Center itself, didn't specify the small number of mice or that all efforts are made to keep them out of the grain. There's not a hint in the article that mice in the grain are less than a good thing.

                        If the philosophy there is not to try to exterminate them, ok. My barn has mice too, most barns probably do, but I've never seen them in the grain bins. If they did get into the grain, my BM would not post cutesy articles about how sweet or "trained" the little mice in the grain are - he'd do his best to get them out of there for good, out of respect for the horses he's responsible for. Mice carry diseases, and I don't want them shitting and pissing in my horse's feed while the BM squees over the pitter-patter of their tiny feet.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Coanteen View Post
                          Give me a break, defenders. The article, from the Center itself, didn't specify the small number of mice or that all efforts are made to keep them out of the grain. There's not a hint in the article that mice in the grain are less than a good thing.

                          If the philosophy there is not to try to exterminate them, ok. My barn has mice too, most barns probably do, but I've never seen them in the grain bins. If they did get into the grain, my BM would not post cutesy articles about how sweet or "trained" the little mice in the grain are - he'd do his best to get them out of there for good, out of respect for the horses he's responsible for. Mice carry diseases, and I don't want them shitting and pissing in my horse's feed while the BM squees over the pitter-patter of their tiny feet.

                          I agree
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Coanteen View Post
                            Give me a break, defenders. The article, from the Center itself, didn't specify the small number of mice or that all efforts are made to keep them out of the grain. There's not a hint in the article that mice in the grain are less than a good thing.

                            If the philosophy there is not to try to exterminate them, ok. My barn has mice too, most barns probably do, but I've never seen them in the grain bins. If they did get into the grain, my BM would not post cutesy articles about how sweet or "trained" the little mice in the grain are - he'd do his best to get them out of there for good, out of respect for the horses he's responsible for. Mice carry diseases, and I don't want them shitting and pissing in my horse's feed while the BM squees over the pitter-patter of their tiny feet.
                            Melissa invited you out to the MMSC, why don't you go see the facilities for yourself. I alerted her to this thread yesterday, so you are more than welcome to go check out the Center.
                            "The horse you get off f is not the same horse you got on. It is your job as a rider to ensure that as often as possible, the change is for the better" - unknown author

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                              #15
                              Every barn will have some mice. But every barn doesn't post how the "sounds are just our “pet” mice scampering around on our grain" are cute on their facebook page.

                              The article sure didn't make it sound like there were one or two mice...it sounds like an infestation and a recipe for disease transmission.

                              For the life of me, I don't know why anyone would brag about mice in the feed or darting around in the aisles.

                              So defend away...but why on earth was this posted in the first place?

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by SmplySweet1021 View Post
                                Melissa invited you out to the MMSC, why don't you go see the facilities for yourself. I alerted her to this thread yesterday, so you are more than welcome to go check out the Center.
                                You're right, why don't I drop my work and call and fly right out there, so I can determine if the enthusiastic response to finding mice in the grain every single day is...idk, warranted? Hey, maybe these trained mice will even perform tricks for me!
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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by LauraKY View Post
                                  Every barn will have some mice. But every barn doesn't post how the "sounds are just our “pet” mice scampering around on our grain" are cute on their facebook page.
                                  Yeah, exactly. Lucky had a mouse in his stall (eating dropped grain) and okay, they happen. But my barn doesn't BRAG about "Lookit the cute wee disease-bearing rodents!"
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                                  • #18
                                    If no one has interest in visiting the MMSC themselves then maybe the comments about how they run THEIR facility shouldn't be brought up on the forums. What was posted was a note on THEIR facebook to THEIR facebook friends. It was NOT an open invitation to bash their facilities management techniques.

                                    But Hey, I forgot everyone on this forum is such an expert in everything, nothing they ever do is wrong.

                                    Bashing a NOT-FOR PROFIT rescue operation on their facilities management is a pretty low blow, even for the COTH forums. If you feel the mouse problem is so bad, which it is not as I've been there myself, then you wouldn't have a problem supplying the money to support the cats that you all are insisting they get. I'm positive that MMSC has no problem accepting a cat, along with you all providing the money for the vet care, feed, and medications. Thanks all for your generosity.

                                    I will also make the comment that when I worked in the past for one of the leading Thoroughbred farms here in the area they also had Mice in their feed bins. Then again they don't make a note about it so you never knew about it. Funny how the world works that way.
                                    "The horse you get off f is not the same horse you got on. It is your job as a rider to ensure that as often as possible, the change is for the better" - unknown author

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                                      #19
                                      The posting was not just to their facebook friends, it is open to everyone. Was the post exaggerated?

                                      "Bashing a NOT-FOR PROFIT rescue operation on their facilities management is a pretty low blow, even for the COTH forums".
                                      So, just because you are a non-profit rescue, we shouldn't comment on poor barn management? Not when it appears to be a dangerous practice. If it's only one or two mice, why not state that? Why post it to begin with? And, just because another farm has mice in their feed bins doesn't make it acceptable. Good horse management and barn management requires attempting to keep the premises as pest free as possible (and rodents ARE pests).

                                      If you need to budget a cat, rodent poison, pest control company, etc. you need to do so, not cry that you can't afford it. It's a cost of doing business. The medical bills for one case of salmonella will far exceed the costs of maintaining one or two cats.

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                                      • #20
                                        Not For Profits are certainly not immune to criticism. We've all gotten some.

                                        I'm sort of astounded anyone (Nonprofit or not) would publicly mention mice in the feed as if it was a cute thing.

                                        Yes, it happens. Probably in most barns, even those fancy A show barns. But in my universe it's always been something barn management tries to address and prevent. If my barn owner sent an email to boarders mentioning the mice in the feed bins and how they're "pets" I'd be really, really astounded and upset (and I think mice are kind of cute). Basically, just a bad judgement call to mention it publicly in that manner.

                                        But what are you going to do?

                                        Everybody makes mistakes in judgement sometimes. I know I have my fair share.

                                        I don't see this post as "BASHING a NONPROFIT!!" but I suppose that different people read things differently. I guess it's a lesson in phrasing and what kind of things to mention publicly.

                                        I am sure the volunteers and staff at MMSC do a wonderful job and the horses are happy there. I'm sure the facilities, even the feed room, are on par with, or better than, the barns many of us board in. I certainly would hope people wouldn't change their plans to donate based on a facebook post meant to be lighthearted. At the same time... I do hope the mice aren't really being treated as pets and efforts are being made to get rid of them.

                                        One of the things I'm learning, much to my own chagrin, is that everything you say when you're connected to a non profit gets scrutinized and is open to criticism. Even if you're "off duty" if you go scrap with someone online or joke around or post something on your personal facebook, it gets connected in peoples' minds to the organization you work with. It's that much worse if you put something out there on the organization's page/wall/twitter.

                                        If there's something going on that could potentially cause health problems for horses or humans, no matter how cute, probably not a good idea to mention it publicly anywhere. Live and learn
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