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Mice in the grain at Maker's Mark Secretariat Center

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  • #41
    Originally posted by MaybeMorgan View Post
    Mice are mammals - Mice have bladders. In a cage, if possible, they will go as far away from their food as they can.
    Yes mice do have bladders. However mice do not move as far away from their food as they can to urinate. I've worked in toxicology for years and mice in cages will nest in their food and both urinate and defecate in their feeders.

    That's one of the reasons it's so blasted hard to get accurate food consumption data on mice. The feeders often weigh more when they come out of the cage then they did when they went in. Even when provided with nesting material the little buggers will still pee in their food.
    Last edited by mswillie; Dec. 3, 2010, 11:25 PM. Reason: "the" does not = "they"
    "Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple” – Barry Switzer

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    • #42
      Originally posted by appaloosalady View Post
      Hmmmm, nobody thinks that the mice are peeing in their hay ALL OF THE TIME? Not that I think mice in the grain is a great thing, but really, I don't care how secure your grain bins are - if you are feeding nice hay the mice have been all over it. If you have a barn you have mice.
      That is a given.
      but once you see the mice, you know you got a problem x50...

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      • #43
        Originally posted by SmplySweet1021 View Post

        Bashing a NOT-FOR PROFIT rescue operation on their facilities management is a pretty low blow, even for the COTH forums. If you feel the mouse problem is so bad, which it is not as I've been there myself, then you wouldn't have a problem supplying the money to support the cats that you all are insisting they get.
        Nonprofits exist for the benefit of the GENERAL PUBLIC. That means 300 plus million American citizens.

        If there is an environmental hazard, public health hazard, facilities management problem, or ANY other problem with this or any other nonprofit the public has every right to be aware of and comment upon it.

        Every farm and barn is going to have a rodent problem, and there are a variety of ways to deal with it. Including nonlethal ones.

        But you know, being cutesy about it doesn't exactly inspire confidence. And for those of us who DO contribute to charities, how an org presents itself is a huge factor in our decision.
        Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
        Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
        -Rudyard Kipling

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        • #44
          Wrong in so many ways ---

          Basic.Beginner.Husbandry!!!

          I've managed a NFP in the past. My 12-15 yr old volunteers could run circles around the 'paid' staff when it came to barn management. Paid staff had been taught incorrectly the first time - old habits die hard.

          If you are a non-for-profit you should hold yourself to a HIGHER standard of husbandry. For many volunteer's a NFP is the first 'horse husbandry' experience. NFP's should be a shining example of WHAT to DO, instead of a WHAT NOT TO DO.

          As the saying goes "do it right the first time." NFP's train your volunteer's right the first time.

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          • #45
            You just lost a $1000 donation

            Originally posted by MLDhorse View Post
            Wow, it really upsets me that you all jump to conclusions about our Center. Have you ever been out here? We strive to have a barn that compares to "A" circuit show barns, breeding barns, etc. What barn doesn't have mice? I invite all of you and hope to see you all out here before you speak negatively about us.

            We don't have an infestation of mice in fact there are no more than 1 or 2 every morning. Yes, we had a raccoon but she has gone and don't you think that had we seen her during the day something would have been done about it?

            Next time you talk negatively about a place, don't you think you should make sure you are speaking the truth? You can ask anyone who comes out here- our horses look good, feel good, our barn is so clean you could eat off of the floor, and heck, we are a NOT FOR PROFIT. Our wonderful volunteers keep this place as if it were their own homes.

            I am truly disgusted by what has been said without any one of you coming out here. A simple article on how we are responsible for life and everyone blows up.

            Thank you to our dedicated volunteers, sponsors, and supporters.

            MMSC.
            I'm sending that money to KyEHC. They have something called a "cat" that removes mice and relieves itself in something called a "litter box". Until you take measures to remove the mice (or perhaps Melissa could train them to use a litter box), you've seen the last of my money.

            I HAVE been to MMSC several times (usually to the office, not the barn), so using your criteria, I am qualified to comment. I thought MMSC's problems were over when they got rid of that horse whisperer (whose name mericfully escapes me), but that is apparently not the case.

            P.S. The pre-addressed envelope I got from TRF will be used, instead, to send a priintout of this thread.

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            • #46
              This was posted on their comment section of the note

              so, funny story, people on the chronicle of the horse forum are FREAKING out and bad mouthing us b/c we have mice. It makes me sick that people can talk so negatively about us and have never been here or seen the place.



              Wasn't it not too long ago that some people's houses were condemned because of a large rodent problem? So if the state can condemn houses for being over run, who's to say they won't condemn the barn?

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                #47
                I think it's time for MMSC to throw someone under the bus. The volunteer who moves the little pet mice out of the grain bin? The note poster? And admit there is a problem, at least in communication. That they were wrong to think it was "cute". Then they need to let the public know how they are going to rectify their rodent problem.

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                • #48
                  Originally posted by spotted draft x filly View Post
                  This was posted on their comment section of the note

                  so, funny story, people on the chronicle of the horse forum are FREAKING out and bad mouthing us b/c we have mice. It makes me sick that people can talk so negatively about us and have never been here or seen the place.
                  This bothers me more than the mice in the grain (which is a problem - I found mice in my grain and launched a full scale war against them).

                  People who run rescues just cannot make the kind of comments like the person who posted on the FB page. If that was a volunteer (or even worse a staff member), someone needs to do some basic PR training over there.

                  As someone involved in a nonprofit, you have to hold yourself to a higher standard. Are there times I want to make snarky comments or yell at someone? Of course I do! Do I get defensive and upset when I'm being abused by the public, volunteers, horse owners, adopters, whatever (whether deserved or not)? Of course I do. But I call a trusted friend, vent, get it out of my system and then go act like a professional. You just don't have the luxury of being snarky, short with people, cranky, whatever when you are in a public position. And anyone involved with a nonprofit is in a public position.
                  Visit us at Bluebonnet Equine Humane Society - www.bluebonnetequine.org

                  Want to get involved in rescue or start your own? Check out How to Start a Horse Rescue - www.howtostartarescue.com

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                  • #49
                    i have no comment about the mice in the feed bins, but have any of you thought about the mice that were in the feed from the moment the grain started growing all the way thru til it hits your metal can? if you think no mice have ever seen or eaten or peed and pooped in the feed and hay you get ------ well.....

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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by mbm View Post
                      i have no comment about the mice in the feed bins, but have any of you thought about the mice that were in the feed from the moment the grain started growing all the way thru til it hits your metal can? if you think no mice have ever seen or eaten or peed and pooped in the feed and hay you get ------ well.....
                      Well what?

                      Mice and grain is a fact of life.
                      However, every step along the way farmers and dealers try their best to minimize exposure to rodents, not build bridges for them to get out of the bins.

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                      • #51
                        Originally posted by SmplySweet1021 View Post
                        Really...honestly....have you been out there? I have and I am a volunteer there. The grain bins that you are assuming are left open are actually closed.

                        What barn doesn't have mice that climb in the grain bins? My old "A" show barn had it and we had barn cats there too.
                        I have a rodent proof grain bin.
                        IME, they're pretty common to find in barns.
                        "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

                        ...just settin' on the Group W bench.

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                        • #52
                          Originally posted by MLDhorse View Post
                          Wow, it really upsets me that you all jump to conclusions about our Center. Have you ever been out here? We strive to have a barn that compares to "A" circuit show barns, breeding barns, etc. What barn doesn't have mice? I invite all of you and hope to see you all out here before you speak negatively about us.

                          We don't have an infestation of mice in fact there are no more than 1 or 2 every morning. Yes, we had a raccoon but she has gone and don't you think that had we seen her during the day something would have been done about it?

                          Next time you talk negatively about a place, don't you think you should make sure you are speaking the truth? You can ask anyone who comes out here- our horses look good, feel good, our barn is so clean you could eat off of the floor, and heck, we are a NOT FOR PROFIT. Our wonderful volunteers keep this place as if it were their own homes.

                          I am truly disgusted by what has been said without any one of you coming out here. A simple article on how we are responsible for life and everyone blows up.

                          Thank you to our dedicated volunteers, sponsors, and supporters.

                          MMSC.
                          "Barns with mice" is one thing.

                          Barns with such poor managment that a) there are mice in the grain bin every morning and b) with such clueless management and employees that they are not only tolerated, but fawned over, is quite another.
                          "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

                          ...just settin' on the Group W bench.

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                          • #53
                            This I found on their facebook page.

                            i feel like posting this but dont have an account on there/dont feel like making an account:

                            As the author of this article I have a couple of things to say. I’m slightly amused at how much discussion this started, but I think that is the poi...nt of a blog. It’s supposed to make you reflect back on your own life, not criticize others. I appreciate different opinions, but not ones that are based off of assumptions (and we all know what assuming can do).
                            Also if we actually had a mice infestation, would I really be blogging about it instead of trying to deal with the problem?

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                            • #54
                              I don't have mice in my barn.
                              Guess I'm weird.

                              Odder still is a not for profit freaking out while accusing others of freaking out about what they themselves posted.

                              Especially considering they posted it in public with the idea it would become...public and then accused the world of lying about what they posted.

                              Then go back to FB and post a rant.

                              I guess if they're happy with their current circle of donations and want to keep that exclusive and not entice more...then that behavior makes sense.
                              You jump in the saddle,
                              Hold onto the bridle!
                              Jump in the line!
                              ...Belefonte

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                              • #55
                                Actually, I formed a pretty good opinion of the rescue based on the org's post on this BB, along with what appears to be one of its supporters.

                                It wasn't positive - and they lost a potential donor.

                                I never cease to be amazed by the utter lack of professionalism displayed by small nonprofits.

                                The IRS is cracking down - hard - on ALL nonprofits in the US, and as a result a lot of them are closing down. In my county alone (which is still pretty rural), there are 116 nonprofits whose nonprofit status is in jeopardy.

                                A lot of us are making our annual gifts about now. Before doing so, take the time to check Guidestar http://www2.guidestar.org/ and verify the org is still legit.

                                And I guess check FB too. Looks like FB might be a good tool to see how many of the org's people are whackjobs.
                                Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
                                Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
                                -Rudyard Kipling

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                                • #56
                                  The only thing I have ASSUMED is that you have written accurately about the situation. Why would I ASSUME otherwise?

                                  Now I may make other assumptions about your writing.
                                  We're spending our money on horses and bourbon. The rest we're just wasting.
                                  www.dleestudio.com

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                                  • #57
                                    As the author of this article I have a couple of things to say. I’m slightly amused at how much discussion this started, but I think that is the poi...nt of a blog. It’s supposed to make you reflect back on your own life, not criticize others. I appreciate different opinions, but not ones that are based off of assumptions (and we all know what assuming can do).
                                    Also if we actually had a mice infestation, would I really be blogging about it instead of trying to deal with the problem?

                                    So exactly how many mice does it take to make an infestation. And are your mice sterilized so they can't make an infestation? Just curious.
                                    Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.

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                                    • #58
                                      Originally posted by Ghazzu View Post
                                      I have a rodent proof grain bin.
                                      IME, they're pretty common to find in barns.
                                      Cheap, too.
                                      Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
                                      Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
                                      -Rudyard Kipling

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                                        #59
                                        Originally posted by JSwan View Post
                                        Cheap, too.
                                        Free even. Just look for an old chest freezer on freecycle.

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                                        • #60
                                          only a herculean mouse is getting in a chest freezer. They are free, folks. why have mice in your grain?

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