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Mice in the grain at Maker's Mark Secretariat Center

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  • #21
    Perhaps now those associated with MMSC have learned that it is not always wise to post stuff "out there" for eyeballs everywhere to see. Once it's Out There on the WWW, you can't take it back and have, therefore, opened yourself up to all--good and bad.



    As my wise mother taught me: "When in doubt, don't."
    <>< Sorrow Looks Back. Worry Looks Around. Faith Looks Up! -- Being negative only makes a difficult journey more difficult. You may be given a cactus, but you don't have to sit on it.

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    • #22
      Ditto, Chocomare.

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      • #23
        Well crap, I guess that means I won't talk about my pet mouse Fred that used to live in the feed room. OK he did until he was wise enough to go back out in the field like I encouraged him to do or Grismerelda ate him (I have my suspicions). But unlike the (shudder) rats I waged eternal war against, Freddy the Fieldmouse was pretty damn cute.

        But yeah, being a large non-profit and having a fb or twitter page, you might need to just not say what the rest of us mere mortals might be saying about our resident critters.
        Your crazy is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.

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        • #24
          Anything put on FB is put into a public forum. You invite comment on it by putting it on FB -- that is exactly the purpose of Facebook, to let others know what you are doing so you can elicit a reaction. The whole idea of FB is social networking and marketing, i.e., spreading the word. I don't think it is reasonable to expect that something put on a FB page is not going to be talked about around the water cooler or on other forums -- again, that is the purpose of FB.

          I have no desire to "bash" the Center and I really don't think anyone here has. However, I do think for me mice in feed would be a serious concern. I have always thrown out any grain or other feed (even if it were pounds and pounds of it) if ever a mouse were discovered in it (or evidence of mice). But that hasn't happened much to me, as I quickly found those large bins just aren't mouse-proof in my experience (at least over time) and so I switched to other containers years ago. Lid-locking plastic trash cans and now the wonderful Vittles Vaults. I'm sure I don't have anywhere near the numbers to feed your center does, and I'm not describing this as advice for anyone else, just explaining my own response to mice in the barn and the one, maybe two, times I ever found evidence of mice _in my feed_. (Of course all barns have mice.)

          As has already been noted, mouse urine can carry leptospirosis, which can cause moon blindness/uveitis, renal problems, abortion in pregnant mares, etc. Truly serious consequences may occur from a lepto infection. That's my biggest fear with mice, but of course they also carry other diseases as well. Oh, and lepto is zoonotic so humans could theoretically catch it from contact with the mouse urine, too. And I'm pretty sure I've read that mice have no bladders, hence no urine control, so if they've been somewhere, in all likelihood so has their urine.

          Truly, the FB post quoted made it sound like every day there were at least two mice in the grain. For me, that would not be a risk I would take with my horses. And daily mice in the grain may not even be the case, but that IS what the post said.

          But I'm not a vet, and again I'm not offering advice, just explaining my own response to mice in the barn and my own personal reasoning behind my barn practices. I truly don't think anyone meant to bash the rescue or the center, but really, talking about mice in your grain as a "morning ritual" and "part of daily life" at the center raises some concerns about disease. Doesn't mean your center is horrible but I can understand the reactions of posters who find this kind of description alarming.

          And it is a bit of a shame re: mice because actually I find the little critters cute and I can understand whoever made the FB post wanting to convey the picture of all the members of the barn community, big and small, and the contentment of daily rituals, and the satisfaction of being around all kinds of animals -- but the "in the feed bin" part definitely made me do a doubletake.
          If thou hast a sorrow, tell it not to the arrow, tell it to thy saddlebow, and ride on, singing. -- King Alfred the Great

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          • #25
            Applause to Above Poster of This Rallycairn

            THIS: As has already been noted, mouse urine can carry leptospirosis, which can cause moon blindness/uveitis, renal problems, abortion in pregnant mares, etc. Truly serious consequences may occur from a lepto infection. That's my biggest fear with mice, but of course they also carry other diseases as well. Oh, and lepto is zoonotic so humans could theoretically catch it from contact with the mouse urine, too. And I'm pretty sure I've read that mice have no bladders, hence no urine control, so if they've been somewhere, in all likelihood so has their urine.
            "Police officers are public servants. Not James Bond with a license to kill."

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            • #26
              dunno if they have no bladder, but they supposedly pee all the time, thus leaving a trail...

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              • #27
                I just commented on another's (very public) blog not long ago about something that sounded pretty dangerous and really not all that great. Someone responded "You weren't there, how would YOU know??"
                Nope, I sure wasn't there, all I have to go by is what was written. If what was written wasn't accurate, that isn't my fault, that is the writer's fault. More bloggers and facebookers need to really understand this or reap the consequences.
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                • #28
                  Originally posted by Alagirl View Post
                  dunno if they have no bladder, but they supposedly pee all the time, thus leaving a trail...

                  ...which is how other mice find the food sources they've sniffed out.
                  I hope the article was the just a touchy-feely ball of fluff writing about how kind to animals someone is.
                  Mice in stalls don't bother me that much.
                  Rodents of any type in grain do.

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                  • #29
                    OK, someone tell me WHY they would write a letter about mice in the grain if there WEREN'T mice in the grain? Why take a trip somewhere to verify mice in/not in the grain, if it's admitted that there are mice in the grain? Mice that have been "trained" to get into a feed scoop to be moved safely out of the way?? Puleaz.

                    And yeah, never had mice in my grain. In my barn, yes. NOT in the grain.
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                    • #30
                      OK, that is just disgusting and gross!!!Unsanitary!!!

                      When we built our barn we built our tack room and feed room to be central air and heated, that means its like your house, do you have mice in your house?

                      No SO we don't have mice or anything else in our feed room but feed.

                      I would no more feed my horses feed that mice had been in than I would eat anything that mice had been in. period.

                      We may or maynot have mice in our barn, but there are no mice and never have been in our feed room, its sealed off from the outside.

                      Shame on the facility that doesn't know how to properly care for their horses.
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                      • #31
                        And since we can safely say that MMSC has seen/had mice in their grain per said FB Posting, now maybe they will consider making the FREE STUFF rounds on their local Craig's List and www.freecycle.org sites to bring in dead chest freezers for future grain storage.

                        The big ones hold a LOT of feed and are moisture, bug, critter and rodent-proof as long as the rubber gasket seal is still intact.

                        I have a medium chest for my feed, acquired a large for a friend's feed and two cubes for two other friends. All 100% free of charge. Just needed to be brought in and cleaned
                        <>< Sorrow Looks Back. Worry Looks Around. Faith Looks Up! -- Being negative only makes a difficult journey more difficult. You may be given a cactus, but you don't have to sit on it.

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                        • #32
                          I just want to know how they trained the mice

                          In all seriousness though, I don't get this whole online thing about "If you haven't been here, done this, ridden that level, fill-in-the-blank you have NO right to comment" thing. Well, if you didn't want a comment, why put it out there? I think everyone's entitled to his or her own opinion whether they've been there or not, based on the information provided. I mean, just because I haven't eaten a turd does that mean I can't have the opinion that it would taste terrible...?

                          And frankly, I'd be appalled if I barn I kept a horse at was PROUD of the mice in the feed bins. Unsanitary, dangerous, and would make me question the way the barn was run overall.
                          It's a small world -- unless you gotta walk home.

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                          • #33
                            Originally posted by MLDhorse View Post
                            Wow, it really upsets me that you all jump to conclusions about our Center. Have you ever been out here? We strive to have a barn that compares to "A" circuit show barns, breeding barns, etc. What barn doesn't have mice? I invite all of you and hope to see you all out here before you speak negatively about us.

                            We don't have an infestation of mice in fact there are no more than 1 or 2 every morning. Yes, we had a raccoon but she has gone and don't you think that had we seen her during the day something would have been done about it?

                            Next time you talk negatively about a place, don't you think you should make sure you are speaking the truth? You can ask anyone who comes out here- our horses look good, feel good, our barn is so clean you could eat off of the floor, and heck, we are a NOT FOR PROFIT. Our wonderful volunteers keep this place as if it were their own homes.

                            I am truly disgusted by what has been said without any one of you coming out here. A simple article on how we are responsible for life and everyone blows up.

                            Thank you to our dedicated volunteers, sponsors, and supporters.

                            MMSC.
                            Do you and your volunteers let the mice eat out of their box of quaker oats at home?

                            One or two mice every morning. That's pretty unambiguous. It doesn't take anyone being there to realise that "mice in the grain" means "mice in the grain" regardless of whether the person who reads it is in front of the grain bin witnessing it or in the middle of kalahari desert reading it on an iphone.

                            You have what, 10-15 horses at a time according to your website? We've got 30 or so right now and know how many mice we have in our grain? Zero. Metal trash cans with metal lids. Grain comes in, grain gets dumped. Mice stay where the barn cats can get them and chase them around.

                            Look, noone's knocking what you do. Far from it. But the fact of the matter is... you've billed yourself as "responsible for life" in the very same post in which you elicit a potentially dangerous, unhealthy practice that could infect those horses whose lives you are responsible for (hopefully moreso than a couple of mice) and the health and lives of the volunteers who work there... and do a wonderful job it sounds like in all other respects.

                            Picture this scenario.... volunteer X gets swamp fever (leptospriosis) or bubonic plague or hantavirus or any other number of rodent-bourne nasties. Volunteer dies. Family sues MMSC, KHP, Maker's Mark, and anyone else attached to the name, location, state, etc etc etc. Maybe a couple horses catch it too. Maybe they die too. Then you have dead horses, dead volunteers, donations dry up, a lawsuit or two to dance, and all over a couple of cute little barn mice. And of course, you would lose those lawsuits because you have already admitted publicly that the mice were not just tolerated but encouraged to be there.... heck they're even trained to go into not just any feed scoop, but a specific one!

                            Thats not "responsibile for life" that's an "irresponsible risk with life" and a very bad business practice that puts in jeapordy your fundamental activity of helping retired and unwanted throuroughbreds find healthy happy adoptive homes.

                            And yep... I'm a supporter of what you do (except for the mice in the grain part); and I've seen your operation; and I even know a couple of your former volunteers very, very well who speak incredibly highly of what you do and how you do it. And I do thank you, and your people, for standing up for these awesome, wonderful creatures.
                            Nudging "Almost Heaven" a little closer still...
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                            • #34
                              Mice are mammals - Mice have bladders. In a cage, if possible, they will go as far away from their food as they can.

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                              • #35
                                Well, I definitely need to take some time to research the "common horsefolk wisdom" that mice urinate continually. Wasn't sure on the mechanism of that but thought it was having no bladder. Thank you for highlighting this.

                                As a side note I gradually over the years pretty much converted most of my "horsey" terms for anatomy and diseases and such to veterinary terms, but for some reason "moon blindness" will always be "moon blindness" to me unless I make a conscious effort to think "uveitis" lol.
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                                • #36
                                  Originally posted by MLDhorse View Post
                                  Wow, it really upsets me that you all jump to conclusions about our Center.
                                  No one jumped to conclusions. You said it yourself.

                                  We don't have an infestation of mice in fact there are no more than 1 or 2 every morning.
                                  That you see.

                                  Next time you talk negatively about a place, don't you think you should make sure you are speaking the truth?
                                  So the post about the mice in your feed bin is a lie?

                                  I am truly disgusted by what has been said without any one of you coming out here. A simple article on how we are responsible for life and everyone blows up.
                                  MMSC.
                                  Would you let them trot across your dinner??

                                  Here, buy these. Best mouse trap ever. Bait with pecans, since that's what brought the little bastages into my house.

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                                  • #37
                                    Hmmmm, nobody thinks that the mice are peeing in their hay ALL OF THE TIME? Not that I think mice in the grain is a great thing, but really, I don't care how secure your grain bins are - if you are feeding nice hay the mice have been all over it. If you have a barn you have mice.
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                                    • #38
                                      I think it's a matter of numbers-if I actually SAW a mouse, I'd be concerned. But then my boarding barn has at least 6 cats and a skunk in the back (they eat mice too).

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                                      • #39
                                        Originally posted by TheJenners View Post
                                        OK, someone tell me WHY they would write a letter about mice in the grain if there WEREN'T mice in the grain? Why take a trip somewhere to verify mice in/not in the grain, if it's admitted that there are mice in the grain? Mice that have been "trained" to get into a feed scoop to be moved safely out of the way?? Puleaz.

                                        And yeah, never had mice in my grain. In my barn, yes. NOT in the grain.
                                        This. If you write (publicly) that there are these adorable trained mice in your grain, then people are going to take away from it a few things:

                                        1. You see the mice a lot.
                                        2. You encourage their presence there. (took the time to train them!)

                                        And they're going to be grossed out.

                                        Heck, I have never seen a mouse in the grain bins at my barn and if they've broken into grain bags prior to those bags being emptied into the bin? Those bags are discarded.

                                        I think I've seen an actual, live mouse in the barn all of once, though, in the past 2 and a half years. They're definitely there (lots of yummy dropped grain, after all) but the three barn cats keep them on their toes.
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                                          #40
                                          The pickings are so slim in the barn for the cats, that they roam the pastures looking for shrews and rabbits. I haven't seen, heard or seen evidence of a mouse in the barn in two years.

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