Ugh. Free "rescue" horse for sale now with false claims. Vent.

[ESG]

C'mon, TS - surely, even YOU can see that this isn't the case in which to play devil's advocate.

[NightMare]

Two Simple, I believe you are also a supplicant at the shrine of PP so I am not surprized at your perspective; however, you don't appear to have read my whole post, or not with good comprehension, anyway.

I know that "horses can change," even without you telling me, and I fervently hope that the wee fellow has. Regardless, she misrepresented herself - she is misrepresenting him, and she is using photos off of my daughter's personal web page (from 2 years ago) to sell him.

In defense of this woman, I believe that she is so deluded by her horsie fantasies that she thinks she has "made" this dangerous free horse into a $7000 future champion. She is a Magick Horse Goddess. Other trainers are probably all "gunsils." Of COURSE a year of her skillz will have healed his wounded soul.

For heaven's sake, one of her close associates was taking reservations for a seminar called "Cultivating the Goddess in Riding."

I don't think she even KNOWS she is doing something whack.

[Alagirl]

Sometimes you have to accept that you can't save them all. Maybe it is time to walk away.

(But I also think it would be a good idea to cover your butt! With documentation about his quirks...just in case)

[Alagirl]

The dictionary definition is somewhat different. LOL.

I gathered as much!

But then, I AM a Gunsil...

[TL]

Originally posted by MissintheSouth:
that "Black Beauty Complex" as well-wanting to tame the wild thing that no one else can handle.

Not to make light of the situation but that so reminds me of a running joke my friends had way back in the day concerning some older women around the barn, coming late in life to riding but wanting to buy horses totally unsuitable, too green or too complicated for these ladies' actual abilities...

so we'd do the impersonation "...but I'm going to tame him with my loooooooove!"

[StefffiC]

Originally posted by Two Simple:
I understand how upset you are. And I understand that she shouldn't have used your daughter's jumping photo. But, she has a right to do so unless your photo is copyrighted.

ALL photos ARE COPYRIGHTED. PERIOD.

Whoever took that photo has to give written permission. Since she's still sending it out, then she's still violating copyright laws.

Steph

[NightMare]

I have never identified the woman or even posted a link to her ad or her farm site. Other posters have figured it out. I do think it would be prudent for the poster who put the farm link up to edit that out; I don't want to be libelous.

Once again, TS - she is NOT USING PICTURES I SENT HER. She is taking them off of my daughter's own web site (I sent her a link to it while we corresponded about her taking Henry) and sending them to people who inquire about the horse. I don't know if that is legal or not - but it's messed up. Don't you agree?

Anyway, I don't need to talk about it anymore - I know I got myself into it, I started this thread because I wanted to vent, and I know how I am going to address it.

Thanks for the opportunity to blow off steam!

[Huntertwo]

I do love the mare Isis on her website...

[Czar]

I have to say I thoroughly enjoyed reading this thread...of course to the OP, my sympathies, these sort of situations are never pleasant.

However, I thought up til now I was one of very few to have an extreme disrespect for the whole natural horsemanship revolution. I've never met horsepeople more ridiculous than those that practice natural horsemanship.

Anyone with any horse sense does NOT need to be told by a book how to lead their horse

[shiloh]

Nightmare - I understand where you are coming from. BUT - this horse is someone else's problem now. If she gets $7K for this horse then more power to her and the fool that buys it. SHE is misrepresenting the horse not you. If the buyer gets injured this has nothing to do with you and everything to do with her.

You and everyone else can say I told you so as many times as you like but sadly what's done is done. He's her problem now. And yes, the problem of the fool that buys him for that inflated price. Because truly only a fool would buy him. Anyone with a grain of sense would see that he isn't as well trained as she states. (Note that her ad is carefully bland and generic and makes no definitive statements.) I agree with the poster that said no way the horse changed in less than a year.

I really do understand how you feel in this situation and your concern. It makes you feel sick, I know. Trust me, been there - done that.
I don't think you're going to be able to talk to this woman, because...well, I refer you to my signature line...

[vxf111]

I have never identified the woman or even posted a link to her ad or her farm site. Other posters have figured it out. I do think it would be prudent for the poster who put the farm link up to edit that out; I don't want to be libelous.

I took out the link at your request (although it doesn't take much imagination to find it once you know the horses' unusual show name). But I will add that a defense to libel is truth

[Amchara]

I found an add and it seems like they are leaving the door open for questions.

In this add they say that he has fabulous movement and awesome training, has a gorgous jump and could do well for dressage riders, and is very challenging.

Everything but the dressage comment could be true, and if I remember correctly, is true.

If she is such a PP'er? Why is she representing a horse so that it could end up in a showing home? I know that some eventers, etc do natural horsemanship, but I myself (in my short, sheltered life) have never heard of a three day eventer who was a PP nut.

(BTW nightmare-the fences in this pic look like they belong to a neighbor of ours where the horse was ridden)

[TripleRipple]

Originally posted by tbluv:

You can even buy balls on the Parelli sitee--I guess, you get those for those hard to handle horses.

And what, like they strap on a set of them while shaking the carrot stick to show the difficult horse they really mean business? lol...

[Chanter]

TrippleRipple, you needed to post some sort of warning with that visual.

[TripleRipple]

Originally posted by Chanter:
TrippleRipple, you needed to post some sort of warning with that visual.

Chanter - I think I just need to put down my glass of wine, and back away from the keyboard

[LovesHorses]

First of all, so sorry you are stuck in the situation. You seem to have done what you can. I hope things work out for the best for the horse and whomever buys him.

Funny side note about the natural horsemanship crap....There was a two day clinic at my barn for that. A boarder's horse was out in a 3 acre field and could not be caught for 2 days straight. Two of the people involved in the clinic said they would have no problems catching him. I watched them for a bit seeing if their "special tactics" would be of any use. They would walk up to him slowly without looking into the horses' eye, turn their backs so he could sniff them and then wait for the horse to submit, whatever they meant by that.

I got bored finally left, came back 2 hrs later and still no luck. I went out there with another horse and the SOB walked right up to me to greet the horse I was leading and I caught him. Bet they were thrilled to be paying for that clinic!

[MistyBlue]

There does seem to be some "puffing" to put it kindly going on with this horse.

From current sales ads:

Lennox is a does it all kind of horse. He was originally trained to event, so he knows the way around a jumping course and dressage arena.

From previous owner (OP):

He was a draft X that had not been under saddle yet at the age of 7.

He was in a pasture, unhandled and ungelded, until he was 6.

[DJ]

"...but I'm going to tame him with my loooooooove!"

Oh MY GOSH. I thought that crazy person that I met years ago was the ONLY one like that. That is too frightening that there are more of them.

[Beezer]

Originally posted by DJ:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">"...but I'm going to tame him with my loooooooove!"

Oh MY GOSH. I thought that crazy person that I met years ago was the ONLY one like that. That is too frightening that there are more of them. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh, dearest DJ, it is apparent that you have not hung around here with great regularity. Or else you would know that there have even been some Alec Ramsey wanna-bes right here on this very BB, where they would try to explain to us -- over and over and over again -- how they were the only people who understood their horse and were the only one who could ride it and the only one ... well, you get the idea.

As a general rule, we beat them senseless with their own PP sticks.

For the OP, I am sorry you are in this situation, but as others have said, the liability issue rests with the current owner/seller, not you. I can understand and applaud your feeling morally responsible on several levels, but truly, this is between the seller and whatever prospective buyer comes knocking on their door.

Still, you are well within your rights and reason to demand that she stop using your photos to advertise the horse.

[goeslikestink]

THEN SHE GOT HIM UNDER FALSE PRETENCES AND YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO GET HIM BACK AS NO CONTRACT