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Ugh. Free "rescue" horse for sale now with false claims. Vent.

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  • Original Poster

    #21
    Well, my daughter phoned the owner /seller and asked some very pointed questions. The call resulted in the picture being changed, and some editing of the ad.

    When asked if Henry still bucked, the seller said "a little." I promise he either won't buck - or it'll be BIG. He had been known to not buck at all for 6 weeks - but when it came, it was not going to be "little." I think she meant "infrequently."

    YankeeLawyer, I'll give it a try.

    And if any of you are thinking of buying an 8 year old "American Warmblood" (actually, a Clydesdale X TB) from Western Washington, with a ridiculous Leprechaun sounding fancy show name (I guess "Henry" was too blue collar), PM me first.

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    • #22
      I believe I located the ad for "Henry". I am tempted to call about him and ask questions to see what the seller has to say...It might be interesting to know how much the seller is disclosing. Perhaps I will try that tomorrow....

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      • #23
        Ha. His "name" cracked me up. Also love the "3 white socks, one black."
        It's a uterus, not a clown car. - Sayyedati

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        • #24
          I'm sorry. That has to be the worst show name I have ever heard.

          I hope anyone who comes to try the horse will immediately recognize he's seriously oversold in the ad and will pass for that reason.
          ~Veronica
          "The Son Dee Times" "Sustained" "Somerset" "Franklin Square"
          http://photobucket.com/albums/y192/vxf111/

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          • #25
            This person has several horses for sale. Looks like she may have misrperesented herself to you as a forever home, one horse type person. Is that what she held herself out to be?
            ~Veronica
            "The Son Dee Times" "Sustained" "Somerset" "Franklin Square"
            http://photobucket.com/albums/y192/vxf111/

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              #26
              vxf111, I think most of those horses are on farm leases. She was into "rescue" big time, and had PMU foals and BLM mustangs. She was pretty much a "collector" but I felt okay about it because she appeared to be a well funded one with a lot of acreage and time. She did say that she would keep him forever.

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              • #27
                This same person is leasing out a 36-40 year old Arab gelding with a "lot of riding left in him." ?????? And also has an ad asking if anyone knows anything about this horse since they just got him from auction?
                Not sure why...but this is a tad odd. How about letting the poor old guy be....ummm....retired?
                You jump in the saddle,
                Hold onto the bridle!
                Jump in the line!
                ...Belefonte

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                • #28
                  Edited at the OP's request.
                  ~Veronica
                  "The Son Dee Times" "Sustained" "Somerset" "Franklin Square"
                  http://photobucket.com/albums/y192/vxf111/

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                  • #29
                    On a tangent, do people really routinely PAY money to lease unrideable horses?
                    ~Veronica
                    "The Son Dee Times" "Sustained" "Somerset" "Franklin Square"
                    http://photobucket.com/albums/y192/vxf111/

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                    • #30
                      I was quite skeptical! I asked if they thought they would need help loading him (help I would have sought over the fence from my neighbor, the professional horse trainer - I KNEW getting Henry to go in that trailer was far beyond my horse handling skills or my idea of prudent). They said no, they would have no problem. They were pretty much Horse Whisperers after all, being devoted worshippers of The Master. I stood back and watched them prepare Henry to enter the tiny box that would just barely contain him, using the confusing method of shaking a soft white (no doubt tres cher) rope in his annoyed face for a while. Nope. He would have none of it. I asked sheepishly, would they like a longe whip? NO! They would not use such a device when they had extremely advanced handling skillz.
                      I'm sorry that paragraph had me laughing out loud. Having been there I know somewhat how the convo went.

                      me- "would you like help?"
                      them- "No, I've never met a horse I couldn't load using my trusty carrot stick (lunge whip with a fancy name)

                      me- "well I can bring a bucket of grain or something--just let me know."
                      them- "haha, it's ok unenlightened one, I've graduated from Parelli's online course--I'm the second coming to this horse... I have l33t skillzzzz!"


                      You can even buy balls on the Parelli sitee--I guess, you get those for those hard to handle horses.

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                      • Original Poster

                        #31
                        I just visited the farm web site for the first time. Maybe they collected too many. There are quite a few for sale.

                        Henry really is an endearing character. Sadly, there is a good chance that it was humans that caused his problem in the first place. He was in a pasture, unhandled and ungelded, until he was 6. A VERY STRANGE local woman somehow aquired him (and guess what she was into? Natural Horse-Man-Ship with a capital P, though I don't think she spent any money on it). She is the one who first tried to saddle break him, using the time honored method of tying him up, throwing the saddle on and cinchin' up. Unfortunately, she had tied him to a T post. He freaked out and reared, coming down on the T post and impaling himself brutally. She did get a vet and the post had not hit any organs and miraculously went between his muscles, so he healed well but with a big scar. I don't think he ever got over it.

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                          #32
                          tbluv, I KNOW! I am sure they viewed me as the most pathetic "gunsil" ever!

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                          • #33
                            On one hand it's a shame this "forever" home is trying to resell the horse they said they'd want to keep forever. But on the other hand, not many people do keep horses till the horse dies of old age... so it's not unreasonable for someone to later need to sell a horse.

                            Not all horse owners are liars and cheats so please don't everyone go using this as an excuse to be too scared to sell a horse. And you didn't do a bad thing by trying to find him a home. That was nice trying hard to find a nice nonriding home for him when some people would just sell him to the slaughter trade. You did your best for him!

                            A contract might've been a good idea. Even if you didn't plan to hire lawyers and sue the new owner, just the presence of a written contract might avoid misunderstandings. Clearly in her mind she feels this horse is ridable and has some talent. She has a right to her opinion just as you have a right to yours and her prospective buyers have a right to theirs.

                            If nothing else this story is a good reminder to the rest of us that when horse shopping, check out the horse very thoroughly. Buyer beware. Someone's going to eventually end up with him, and hopefully it's someone experienced enough to notice & handle his issues.
                            Veterinarians for Equine Welfare

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                            • #34
                              So which COTHer is going to email the person?

                              All kidding aside, the trailer incident should have been a clue that those people were morons. On the website she is listed as a trainer. Not trying to rub it in, but just pointing out for those who are worried about giving away a horse that there can be warning signs.

                              In this situation, I guess I personally would feel obligated to do SOMEthing. A couple ideas would be having the trainers who worked with the horse each write a summary of their training and their conclusions (that he was dangerous, couldn't be trusted). Have them sign it and send a copy of each registered mail to the seller. Make sure you keep the originals. Possibly include a letter drafted by an attorney stating that the horse was sold as non-rideable per the recommendations of the trainers, and that you in no way condone or support anyone getting on his back for fear of their safety. You may not be able to have her do the right thing, but should someone get injured there is a paper trail that will leave no doubt that she was aware the horse was dangerous.

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                              • #35
                                Originally posted by NightMare:
                                tbluv, I KNOW! I am sure they viewed me as the most pathetic "gunsil" ever!
                                Um, I have to ask...what in the heck is a "Gunsil"???

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                                • #36
                                  Originally posted by Dazednconfused:
                                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NightMare:
                                  tbluv, I KNOW! I am sure they viewed me as the most pathetic "gunsil" ever!
                                  Um, I have to ask...what in the heck is a "Gunsil"??? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


                                  You - if you have to ask!

                                  I am not sure what the Webster has to say, but in HR terms - sort of - it is a person not yet enlightened by the Parelli methods...

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                                  • #37
                                    You can even buy balls on the Parelli sitee--I guess, you get those for those hard to handle horses.

                                    Brass ones I suppose?

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                                    • #38
                                      From dreamhorse (I'm assuming this is the horse)... is a does it all kind of horse. He has a heart of gold and is an exellent mover.

                                      I guess "does it all" included bucking like a rodeo horse.

                                      Heart of gold... Hmmmm.

                                      Is someone there actually jumping the horse, they said they wouldn't ride, 4 1/2 feet as mentioned in the ad?

                                      Speaking of balls, these people have them.
                                      People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint - it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... timey wimey... stuff.

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                                      • #39
                                        Alagirl -they'd have to be - any others would break too easily. I'm sure, however, that you could get them silver plated and/or gem encrusted, should you so desire.

                                        NightMare, my heart goes out to you. I'm so sorry you've found yourself in this situation.

                                        You know, with or without a contract, what would be the harm in just going to them and asking for the horse back? They clearly don't have the time or resources for the ones they've collected. Probably a stupid idea, but worth a try, maybe?
                                        In loving memory of Laura Jahnke.
                                        A life lived by example, done too soon.
                                        www.caringbridge.org/page/laurajahnke/

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                                        • #40
                                          They do have him listed as a temperament of 8, which is interesting given their written description of him.

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