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  • #61
    just wondered why they couldn't drop water and food to roof tops etc amd call for the "good ol' boys" to come sooner in theri flat bottoms and why they had to send the evacuees out of state where they willhave a hard time fgetting back home. Was norther Louisana destroyed too? So many qurestion!
    Bless those of you who have donated and given time.

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    • #62
      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">just wondered why they couldn't drop water and food to roof tops etc amd call for the "good ol' boys" to come sooner in theri flat bottoms and why they had to send the evacuees out of state where they willhave a hard time fgetting back home. Was norther Louisana destroyed too? So many qurestion!
      Bless those of you who have donated and given time. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

      Good point, trying. How come the casinos and hotels in Shreveport and Bossier City aren't being used to house evacuees?
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        #63
        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Trying:
        just wondered why they couldn't drop water and food to roof tops etc amd call for the "good ol' boys" to come sooner in theri flat bottoms and why they had to send the evacuees out of state where they willhave a hard time fgetting back home. Was norther Louisana destroyed too? So many qurestion!
        Bless those of you who have donated and given time. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

        I heard at least one story of someone with an airboat who arrived on the scene only to be told by a FEMA official that he was welcome but would have to pay for his own fuel. It runs $500 a day. He didn't have the money to pay for that, so he turned around and went home.
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        • #64
          I've been in touch with people who ARE out there in boats, I don't know if they qualify as good old boys being mostly young women but hey.... La Fish and Game showed up with every boat in their fleet asap, and were rescuing over 600 people per hour for days on end according to the news. unfortunately those are probably small boats, holding 6-10 people max. LSU sent their gear and people too and lots of private boat owners started rescue work asap. The people I talked too it took them 2 days, working round the clock to chainsaw enough trees and move enough debris to even get on the road with the trailers. There is only one way into NOLA right now and from what I understand people are being turned back for lack of official swiftwater training or get there and don't have enough gas and 2-stroke oil to run a boat for long and there is none there (outboards and airboats suck gas bigtime). There are a lot of rural areas underwater too and people are being evacuated to Baton Rouge where a huge volunteer effort is housing and feeding refugees and rescuers alike.

          I also read a news report that said that they were dropping water and food but that it was being fought over and families and the elderly were afraid to go near it. The people of Baton Rouge are practically running a city sized shelter at the moment too with between 150,000 and 200,000 refugees. They are doing what they can.

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          • #65
            Mike Brown's unique background before heading up FEMA was mentioned by NY Times columnist Maureen Dowd in yesterday's column:

            "...Michael Brown, the blithering idiot in charge of FEMA - a job he trained for by running something called the International Arabian Horse Association - admitted he didn't know until Thursday that there were 15,000 desperate, dehydrated, hungry, angry, dying victims of Katrina in the New Orleans Convention Center.

            Was he sacked instantly? No, our tone-deaf president hailed him in Mobile, Ala., yesterday: "Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job..."
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            • #66
              Administration favorites, Halliburton and Kellogg, Brown and Root (KBR) are making billions in their contracts overseas (at American taxpayer expense). These two companies could have fed and housed the people in the Gulf Coast in a heartbeat
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              • #67
                Oh, Cartier, don't worry.

                I'm sure those two companies will be first in line to make billions off reconstruction. Probably without competitive bidding either.
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                • #68
                  You know, the Bush administration has been determined to kill off FEMA any way it can. Maybe because it was a high functioning creation of Democratic administrations. Maybe not.

                  There are lots of news stories out there on FEMA's downgrading and loss of support by this administration. Maybe Mike Brown is just another spike in the coffin.
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                  • #69
                    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/04/po...lliburton.html
                    check the last paragraph about one of their consultants

                    This articl is long and somewhat self serving, check out CONCAP towards the end

                    http://www.halliburton.com/default/main/halliburton/eng.../corpnws_090205.html
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                    • #70
                      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by carolprudm:
                      http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/04/po...lliburton.html
                      check the last paragraph about one of their consultants

                      This articl is long and somewhat self serving, check out CONCAP towards the end

                      http://www.halliburton.com/default/main/halliburton/eng.../corpnws_090205.html </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                      Okay - let me get this straight. 90% of my family is now homeless, FEMA has managed to kick all the evacuees out of hotels in Mississippi so that they could takeover, it took over 5 days to get the military in place....but Halliburton is already benefitting???? WTF??????

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                      • #71
                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I'm sure those two companies will be first in line to make billions off reconstruction. Probably without competitive bidding either. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                        Finally, some good news… I’d sure hate to see those bf companies have to go without!!!! (no icon to insert here... and the ole one finger salute is the only thing I can think of anyway).
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                        • #72
                          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by kb:
                          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by carolprudm:
                          http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/04/po...lliburton.html
                          check the last paragraph about one of their consultants

                          This articl is long and somewhat self serving, check out CONCAP towards the end

                          http://www.halliburton.com/default/main/halliburton/eng.../corpnws_090205.html </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                          Okay - let me get this straight. 90% of my family is now homeless, FEMA has managed to kick all the evacuees out of hotels in Mississippi so that they could takeover, it took over 5 days to get the military in place....but Halliburton is already benefitting???? WTF?????? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                          Well when would you propose to sign contracts to have companies ready to go to repair huge power installions?? Have an open bidding process a month later??

                          Come on - don't be so ridiculous - every single administration has to have companies in place BEFORE something happens - NOT AFTER.

                          And since some of you know so much about this - exactly how many companies do you know exist that can handle huge scaled projects?? Come on gals - give me your list since you all are ready to be CEO's of an alternative!! There are not very many - and they have to pay their people ALOT because they go in where you all will not go! And the EMPLOY PEOPLE not robots you know.
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                          • #73
                            I only remember tha budweiser stopped bottling beed and bottled water for the prople and the rest is out of nmy knowledge. Humanitarianism has no price tag. I am sure the auto companies could do something and how about a manufacturer of mobile home and rv trailers and trailers like 16 wheelers pull to be used as temporary shelters (good ol' college days when you rea;l;y had to suffer to get an education!!).
                            I think the pharmaceudical companies should step forward along with the insurance companies and the power companies or any other that live of the fat of the lambs. Baaaaa!

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                            • #74
                              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Well when would you propose to sign contracts to have companies ready to go to repair huge power installions?? Have an open bidding process a month later??

                              Come on - don't be so ridiculous - every single administration has to have companies in place BEFORE something happens - NOT AFTER.

                              And since some of you know so much about this - exactly how many companies do you know exist that can handle huge scaled projects?? Come on gals - give me your list since you all are ready to be CEO's of an alternative!! There are not very many - and they have to pay their people ALOT because they go in where you all will not go! And the EMPLOY PEOPLE not robots you know. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                              Ilona… I love you to pieces and concede that you’re a bright gal.. but to get some perspective on unbridled corporate greed, go to Iraq and Kuwait... take a good look - first hand – at what is going on over there with Halliburton and Kellogg, Brown and Root… absent the media spin... then we’ll talk.
                              As for criticism of state and local governments… sure we can point fingers.. but the overwhelming failure in the Golf Coast was FEMA and the federal government’s lack of leadership and preparedness. Bush is caught with his pants down yet again… on the one hand he is praising political cronies and incompetence (because he simply doesn’t know any better) and on the other hand he is back-pedaling because of the worldwide media spot light shining down upon this hideous preventable situation.
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                              • #75
                                Trying - I think if you check some of the news bulletins you will see how many companies have stepped forward (and always do) with money and products.

                                But the reality is these families need to stay together and that won't happen without permanent housing. The Astrodome can't become a city permanenently.
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                                • #76
                                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Administration favorites, Halliburton and Kellogg, Brown and Root (KBR) are making billions in their contracts overseas (at American taxpayer expense). These two companies could have fed and housed the people in the Gulf Coast in a heartbeat </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


                                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Oh, Cartier, don't worry.

                                  I'm sure those two companies will be first in line to make billions off reconstruction. Probably without competitive bidding either.

                                  </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                  Don't worry ladies. I read somewhere that Haliburton and KBR already have the contracts in Alabama and Mississippi. Some parts of the adminstration seem to be able to mobilize quickly
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                                  • #77
                                    Elaine - you can talk to me anytime you want about companies that go in to areas that no one else wants to go. Your husband's experience in the Air Force is not the only source of information out there you know.

                                    In the late 70's I worked for Galbraith Ruffin who did a great deal of overseas development work - one client was a major oil company. You aren't knowledgeable in how hard it is to find and keep EXPERIENCED PERSONNEL to go into dangerous areas or even non-dangerous areas that have different types of societies. I couldn't even be considered for some of the jobs in Saudi Arabia because I was a woman and would have had limitations on what I could do (like driving) or where I could go (no where without a chaperone). And much has not changed for the better - in fact the places these companies you love to hate go into are in the middle of not only wars but horrible terror.

                                    Now if your husband was offered a PAYING job (outside the military) - would he go or would you go over there with him? Take your family? YOu would NOT be able to take pets or horses BTW. And leave the bathing suit or sleeveless shirts behind as well. And what would your family unit demand as pay or benefits - not only for the work but for the risk???

                                    I'm never understanding why your husband went into the military - was able to get a medical degree - paid for by the military - when you all seem to be so ANTI- MILITARY OR WAR. What do you think the armed forces exists for??

                                    My husband's company does work all over Eastern Europe and into the middle east - I'm happy to discuss the industry issues with you - but please have your facts straight and COMPLETE.

                                    Corporate greed exists to the same levels RIGHT HERE IN THE GOOD OLD U.S.A. If you want to tell corporations they are making too much money going in to do work where they could end up dead - I defend your right. But I question the outcome?

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                                    • #78
                                      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I'm never understanding why your husband went into the military - was able to get a medical degree - paid for by the military - when you all seem to be so ANTI- MILITARY OR WAR. What do you think the armed forces exists for?? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                      Ilona you have long history of shooting your mouth off when you haven’t a clue what you are talking about. Unlike the party boy in the White House, my husband actually earned his way through life… through school, including his medical degree. He has given over 20 years of service to this country and I feel we have earned the right to say, “It’s time that you either know what your talking about or shut the **** up!!!!
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                                      • #79
                                        Then why go in the military? And I'm not shooting my mouth off - if your husband went to Medical School while in the military - it's just a fact. And FYI Elaine - most Americans including myself and my husband earned out degrees - paid for them ourselves and never had any jobs handed to us. And I know few people who went to college who didn't party - really it's a right of passage in America.

                                        Many of the people who work in the Defense industry including those at Haleburton and others came out of the military.

                                        Making corporations into demons makes no sense to me. Who else then will do this work? If you don't support the choices for the contracts - lobby your elected officials - that's where the decisions are made - IN WASHINGTON'S BACK ROOMS. And it's not party related - it's all parties, at all levels of government.

                                        You can hate Bush - but don't give the President's position more power than it really has. If you've ever spent any time in WDC lobbying - I unfortunately did go down and do it a few years back - it's a repulsive and eye-opening experience. In fact, I think you'd see a great similarity in the anger you are directing and the corporations you mentioned. Senators and most Congreemen/women DO NOT LEAVE WASHINGTON POORER THAN WHEN THEY ARRIVED - and it doesn't have any correlation to the salary we pay them!

                                        I think you should edit out the "f" word - really this isn't a street fight - it's difference of opinion.
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                                        • #80
                                          Ise, you're such an expert in so many things but one thing that seems to fail you is the subject of compassion. Cartier's husband has served and continues to serve his country. That doesn't mean he has to agree with the person leading this country at the moment. In addition, he has to go back, risk his life again, engaging in a futile war that is entirely about taking care of big companies.

                                          Cartier is entitled to feel the way she does and she certianly has firsthand knowledge of a lot of things going on in Iraq. Aside from the politics, I think you're being insensitive and rude.
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