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  • nhwr but it's not unlike pruning. If there is a mongrel it is not allowed to breed. If there are stallions we alter them and if a horse has a brain malfunction we can euthanize it.

    If you believe in Darwinism then how different are we than the other animals? Survival of the fittest not the worst. If a human has a short circuited brain and cannot live except in a cage isn't it kinder to spare him or her that torture. Would you want to keep a dog if you could never trust it out of a cage? Would you keep a horse that would attack people?

    The end of that hypothesis is like the eastern religions where you cannot kill anything even bugs with insecticide.
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    • There's nothing more refreshing than pure honesty. And sex for the pleasure of it is a gift unique to humans.

      I think your candor was delightful. And, it's nice to know there are people who enjoy being just humans.
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      • sorry snowie, you are very wrong about this. Darwinism is about natural selection, not pruning. I don't equate human life with animal life. As the parent of a child who is disabled, I find your suggestion ill considered, at best, though the Nazis rather liked it.
        See those flying monkeys? They work for me.

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        • I have to agree with nhwr here. Darwin's theories explain natural selection, putting us into the same framework as animals. However, human beings have been endowed with the capacity to reason as well as knowledge of our own fate...something animals do not have. So animalistic as we may be, Darwin never did explain what fundamentally seperates humans from the animal world...what made him (and not, say, a chimpanzee) capable of creating a grand theory that explains how all known life forms got to be the way they are.

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          • Oh! I'm so sorry. I didn't mean it to sound that way at all. I was thinking from my perspective and old age. It is a battle I've been having with myself.

            I don't think being disabled is a criteria. Most of the time there are such compensations when a child is disabled with other parts of the brain that function in a superior way. We have worked with a lot of these children and the horses are so good for understanding them and their limitations.

            No! please no! I didn't mean that, I was thinking only of the criminally insane. Oh! Lord I would never have meant that but I was thinking predators are the ones for whom I have no compassion. That's why I said if they have to kept in a cage, thinking of a jail cell or a dog that was plain evil and couldn't be trusted to be loose; or a horse that would attack.

            When it comes to children that's why I said it had to be personal choice. Here I agree and there are so many disabled people who are so wonderful in so many ways. I deeply apologize if I said it improperly it was not my intention to demean any life. I just feel I have seen so many really evil people over a life time where the world would have been better if they had been pruned. But that is with due process and with every possible assurance. I did not weep for Ted Bundy, I was glad Hitler chose to die. And, he caused so much pain he deserved to be terminated. There are so many warped humans who are stealing our children and causing them dreadful deaths. That's who I meant.
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            • Natalie you are right and that's why I wonder about this debate for Intelligent design. They know the DNA from Lucy is in us and they have traced back human DNA to a single male in Africa. BUT there is no explanation that is proved for the missing links between Lucy and Neanderthal and then to Cromagnan which they have determined evolved separately and were not the same species. They don't know what happened to Neanderthal and suspect they may have bred with Cromagnan or became extinct.

              What I find very curious is that although Neanderthal was a lower life form even they had the compulsion to leave their mark and tell their story with cave paintings. It was possibly a religion kind of thing but is that any different then our Rennaissance which was spurred by religion and the nee to tell the story.

              How relative is religion or art to the basic drives of what makes us human rather than just mammal?
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              • True, but I still think Darwin's theory trumps Intelligent Design many times over. First off, intelligent design is operating on a biblical principle...as someone else mentioned earlier, different cultures/religions have different creation stories. Why should we assume that ours is the correct one? Also, as another person (or was it you?) pointed out, an intelligent creator would surely not have allowed for the sorts of terrible genetic conditions, diseases, and personality disorders that naturally exist. Especially not a loving God.

                In additon, Darwin's theories can be supported through concrete scientific research, while Intelligent Design cannot.

                Btw, Darwin also charts a single origin, I believe (I'm certainly not a biology student), but of course some branches died out as dead ends. Also not a phenomenon that points to any sort of intelligent, thinking creator. It's just creationism by another name, I'm afraid.

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                  BTW, the context of "an eye for an eye" is actually to limit punishment - no more than an eye for an eye. The previous penalty was death for an eye.

                  And, I think that the best way to limit abortions is not to make them illegal but to provide honest sex education (even if you don't want them to have sex until marriage, don't you want them to be able to control their fertility once married?) and to promote laws and policies that allow mothers to raise their kids, things like healthcare for children, funded preschools, figuring out ways that people can keep their babies without losing their livelihoods or futures.

                  Someone I know once said that the best incentive to abstain from sex was a video shown in her very thorough sex ed class of a woman in labor. Yup, I think that's a very very good idea. Certainly I came to a very full appreciation of the wonder of birth control - something that I had taken somewhat for granted - during my daughter's birth.
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                    The problem with Intelligent Design is that it's not science. You can't falsify it.

                    Evolution can be falsified. Let's say tomorrow your Intelligent Designer plunks down a tripod organism with bones except instead of a straight spine it has a circular ring and three equidistant legs. Now that would get everyone's attention. Heck, if I were a deity I would do it just for laughs, to watch all those biologists scrambling around trying to figure out what the heck was up.

                    We teach evolution not because it is true, but because it is useful. It allows us to predict the future, to postulate ideas. We can use evolution to understand how a supervirulent flu comes about, to see why a pesticide or antibiotic is only useful for so long, and to understand what kinds of strategies could be more successful.

                    Worse, if you believe in Intelligent Design, it makes studying biology a waste of your time. Why bother learning about the way cells work if the Intelligent Designer can change it? Learning a bunch of labels isn't science, or, in the end, terribly useful to mankind.

                    And finally, I have too much respect for any Creator to believe that He designed, from scratch, the equine hock joint. C'mon, in horses it should just be a simple hinge. No need for all those extra little bones and joints in there. It's lazy engineering, all that copy and paste.

                    On the other hand, designing a process that does all the work for you while you sit back, sip beverages, and observe... that's art.
                    If you are allergic to a thing, it is best not to put that thing in your mouth, particularly if the thing is cats. - Lemony Snicket

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                    • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Someone I know once said that the best incentive to abstain from sex was a video shown in her very thorough sex ed class of a woman in labor. Yup, I think that's a very very good idea. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                      My friends and I recently watched another film that I think would turn any teenage girl off of sex. The movie is Y Tu Mama Tambien, by a Mexican director (in Spanish, with subtitles). It's basically a coming of age road trip story centered around two teenage boys and an older woman. Its quite ranchy and very explicit (as only independent or non-American films can be), but let me tell you...the sex ain't pretty. Would have turned me off of 17 year old boys back in highschool.

                      And with that, I'm assuming this thread will be locked by morning. Its been fun everyone. Bedtime for me...

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                      • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Well then heck, everyone else could find us beside a cooler of ice cold beers after the horses were settled for the night! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
                        Yup!! Just as it should be SLW!!!

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                        • FRONTLINE
                          http://www.pbs.org/frontline/

                          - This Week: "The Storm" (60min.),
                          Tuesday, Nov. 22 at 9pm on PBS (check local listings)
                          - Inside FRONTLINE: Reporting the Katrina story

                          We invite you to watch NOVA and FRONTLINE this Tuesday and then explore FRONTLINE's web site for the extended interviews with key officials,
                          including former FEMA Director Michael Brown in his first full-length tv interview post-Katrina. There is also analysis of the lessons that can be learned from Katrina and home videos made by New Orleans residents that dramatically convey what it was like to be in your house as the waves and floodwaters surged into it.

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                          • HUH I thought this was locked???

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