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FEMA Director Mike Brown was fired by the IAHA??? - Katrina TIMELINE on p.17

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  • #21
    I was sorry to see that FEMA has not gotten any better since the 9/11 disaster. I was there the next morning following the attack. FEMA was not running things. New Yorkers and city officials were the ones who pitched in and were getting things done. New York restaurants were the ones feeding the rescuers regular hot food. FEMA and the Red Cross were in over their heads. They couldn't even get the garbage hauled out of there. Say what you will about tough talking/rude New Yorkers (but not in front of me) but when things get ugly there's no one I'd rather have watching my back.

    I thought all the money and personnel devoted to Homeland Security meant that the next time something bad happened they'd be more organized. USA Today's editorial I thought was right on. If this had happened to white people in Kennebunkport the response would have been different. link:
    http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/usatoday/20050...sesissuesofclassrace

    Sorry Mods for the politics of this but I have some firsthand experience of FEMA in action -- or inaction. What it looks like on TV were the locals with boats doing the rescuing and it was the same situation at Ground Zero although most volunteers got credentialed through Salvation Army and the Red Cross. Of course, they are not parallel situations except that FEMA and the military were slow to show up and when they did the city already had it under control. Much of lower Manhattan was evacuated at that time and people could not go back to their homes for months.

    At least Bush showed up a couple days later in a with a bull horn to speak to the rescue workers. Right now he's still sitting in Air Force One.

    PS--The USA Today editorial points out that 40% (!!) of New Orleans children are raise in poverty. That says a lot about the percentage of families who did not have the money or a vehicle to leave.
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    • #22
      God, if you click on Poltroon's original link and then scroll down past it, and click on the links provided by commenters to the blog, this is some very scary reading, especially given that the guy seems to have misdirected funds while at the IAHA and then done it again in Florida during Hurricane Dennis...

      This stuff needs to get to investigative journalists IMO. Please forward.
      "The standard you walk by is the standard you accept."--Lt. Gen. David Morrison, Austalian Army Chief

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      • #23
        Cannot believe for once I agree with Newt Gringrich. This is from an AP wire story on Yahoo. Send Guiliani or Colin Powell down there:

        "Even Republicans were criticizing Bush and his administration for the sluggish relief effort. "I think it puts into question all of the Homeland Security and Northern Command planning for the last four years, because if we can't respond faster than this to an event we saw coming across the Gulf for days, then why do we think we're prepared to respond to a nuclear or biological attack?" said former House Speaker Newt Gingrich.

        "He urged Bush to name former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani as the White House point person for relief efforts. Rep. John Sweeney (news, bio, voting record), R-N.Y., also suggested Giuliani or former Secretary of State Colin Powell or retired Gen. Tommy Franks to take charge of the relief efforts."
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        \"See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda.\"—George W. Bush

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        • #24
          Nope - Nagin's the only politician making any sense at the moment. He needs to stay.
          "The standard you walk by is the standard you accept."--Lt. Gen. David Morrison, Austalian Army Chief

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          • #25
            WA, several Florida newspapers (all owned by Gannett) have filed lawsuits against FEMA as part of ongoing investigations into FEMA mismanagement during last year's storms. So far FEMA has refused to disclose how it spent money during the relief efforts.

            FEMA was formed in 1979 under Carter but by the early years of the Reagan Administration was already a hotbed of corruption, cronyism and bizarre secretive directives.

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            • #26
              I agree, Nagin is the man. He did not want to be the mayor of New Orleans but he took the job and has done the best he can.

              How anybody can equate running IAHA to managing a disaster agency is beyond me. But apparently that a significant qualification in the current administration. Yes, horses can be disasters and many people think the horse industry is a disaster but what Brown did in now way qualifies him for the job.

              Did the man even actually ride? If so, he never learned the rule of "get out and do it yourself to get it done."

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              • #27
                <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RAyers:
                I agree, Nagin is the man. He did not want to be the mayor of New Orleans but he took the job and has done the best he can.

                How anybody can equate running IAHA to managing a disaster agency is beyond me. But apparently that a significant qualification in the current administration. Yes, horses can be disasters and many people think the horse industry is a disaster but what Brown did in no way qualifies him for the job.

                Did the man even actually ride? If so, he never learned the rule of "get out and do it yourself to get it done." </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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                • #28
                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by War Admiral:
                  Nope - Nagin's the only politician making any sense at the moment. He needs to stay. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                  War Admiral, I didn't mean to imply that Nagin should go, just that Guiliani -- or someone forceful and with enough clout -- could help. Even though the city is gone Nagin is still mayor and spokesman for the people of NO. But, they need someone to direct and not having disaster experience up until now and no resources Nagin is not the person. They need a general, and I don't mean that literally though it could be as in Colin Powell, to take charge and get evreyone out of there. The point is, getting back to the OP, FEMA has failed this country again.

                  I do not think Nagin should step aside and I think he's done all that he can and I applaud his tirade last night. But he needs someone he can work with in order to save lives still on the brink and shepherd the survivors out of there. I am praying they come up with a better plan to find a haven for the thousands left who were not lucky enough to get into the Astrodome. Can't every state take refugees? What's the plan now.
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                  • #29
                    Well, the problem is that from what I'm hearing on local reports, the Feds are trying to *force* Nagin to resign.

                    I don't necessarily have a problem with the Feds appointing a general to run the military side of things AT ALL - bring ON Colin Powell as far as I'm concerned - but the Feds need to stop trying to stick it to Nagin, particularly in view of the obvious incompetence and lack of qualifications of Mike Brown. Nagin is doing the best he can for the people of NOLA, and he is the ONLY one speaking for them.
                    "The standard you walk by is the standard you accept."--Lt. Gen. David Morrison, Austalian Army Chief

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                    • #30
                      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by War Admiral:
                      Well, the problem is that from what I'm hearing on local reports, the Feds are trying to *force* Nagin to resign... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                      Agreed, but I think this has more to do with his profanity laced criticism of Bush, etc. last night which he had every right to say. People who speak out agin the administration usually pay for it and they don't want him there continuing to point out their failures.

                      And they ALWAYS look for someone ELSE to blame. WA, we are actually in agreement on all counts.
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                      • #31
                        Bumping this, 'cause I'd really like more info on the Brown/IAHA thing if we happen to know anyone who knows anyone!

                        Oh and BTW: I don't usually like the Drudge Report but here's a rather interesting link to a story that while people were dying yesterday, Condi was buying $1,000 shoes on a New York vacation...
                        "The standard you walk by is the standard you accept."--Lt. Gen. David Morrison, Austalian Army Chief

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                        • #32
                          [QUOTE]Originally posted by Cartier:
                          There is a failure of leadership.. absolutely no question about it.

                          The scenario we are seeing today in New Orleans was predicted well in advance. (To see a small glimpse of what was known and for how long, simply Google "Impact of Katrina before August 28th.") The problems with the dams, with flooding, with looters, with raw sewage, toxic chemicals, fires, floating dead bodies, disease… the impact of no electrical power on area hospitals, pumping systems etc. ... it was all predicted with great specificity… well in advance.

                          Consider: when people were told to go to the Superdome there should have been food, water, back-up generators and medical supplies and some organizational structure in place BEFORE encouraging 25,000 people to even seek refuge there.

                          ON Saturday August 28 and Sunday August 29th there was more than enough time to marshal the resources of this great country and the peace keeping forces of the greatest military presence on earth to protect and control a civilian population in an urban area in the USA. This is New Orleans folks, we are talking about a place that is roughly 2 hours by air from Washington DC. There should have been convoys of supplies late last week stockpiled even before Katrina hit. It has been known for years and years that a hit from a Cat 4-5 storm would have this exact effect. There is no excuse for thousands of people going days without food, water and medical care. QUOTE]

                          Cartier I would just like to point out that the reason no one was stockpiling masses of supplies and aid is because NO ONE KNEW this was going to happen until it did. The storm hit Florida, no one thought it would sprint across into the gulf & turn into a CAT 5 and slam into the gulf coast until less than 24 hours before it happened. It was a CAT 3 when I went to bed last saturday night so apparently you are the only one who predicted accurately where and when it would happen.

                          I am not defending anyone's actions government, military or otherwise because this whole thing is a disaster, but to say they should have had everything organized and ready to go is just crazy. There wasn't time! AND....what about the evacuation order that people should get out of town? What about the people who ignored the orders to evacuate and stayed in their houses and then rescuers had to risk their lives to go in and rescue those people who didn't listen. Don't you think the Red Cross and Natl guard rescuers have families too? Don't you think those families would have preferred that people evacuate when they were told?

                          I know everyone could not get out. Believe me, growing up in Louisiana and having family there now, I know about the poverty there and the way life is, but there are a lot of those people who just flat didn't listen and risked other people's lives in the process.

                          The superdome was a best case scenario IN A TIME OF CRISIS. Otherwise those people may have been blowing down the streets as soon as the storm hit.

                          If anything comes of this, perhaps the country will have better measures in place to handle a disaster of this scale. Even here in Houston, with days to prepare the Astrodome they are finding it is NO WHERE near as easy to prepare for that many people as you would think. Even in a city of 4 million people.
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                          • #33
                            WA,

                            Law suits against Brown and other were filed in Colorado. Charges include defamation, restraint of trade and others. I haven't seen anything about the dispensation though. I assume it was settled out of court.

                            Reed

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                            • #34
                              Condi's a moron. I'd rather see her in NYC hitting tenis balls with Monica Seles and shopping for shoes than getting involved in the hurricane aftermath.

                              As for Nagin stepping down or aside, wasn't he elected mayor by the citizens of New Orleans? He's calling it like it is -- if you don't like what you're hearing, it's because there's no good news about this situation.

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                              • #35
                                RA - Thanks - Poltroon's OP contained the links to the lawsuits and the details of the settlement agreement.

                                What I'd like to know more about, if we know, is the allegation that he spun off money intended for IAHA's legal defense fund into his own legal defense fund once the lawsuits started flying.
                                "The standard you walk by is the standard you accept."--Lt. Gen. David Morrison, Austalian Army Chief

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                                • #36
                                  I don't really know alot about how FEMA is supposed to work in these situations but last year, a tornada destroyed a small town (that I work in). Many houses were destroyed as was the high school. Fema came in for a few days and then left and did not help anyone with anything. They said not enough damage cost wise. We now have school in an old garment factory.......people still don't have places to live and have to live with relatives, sometimes splitting children apart.....it was very disheartening.

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                                  • #37
                                    Just saws this on MSNBC... titled: Was FEMA ready for a disaster like Katrina? Here’s a link to the broadcast http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9178501/

                                    Quoting from the show: … <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> “What's more, it appears that the federal government did not follow up on an exercise last year that mostly predicted what happened in New Orleans — devastating flooding and hundreds of thousands stranded. The scenario was dubbed Hurricane Pam: 120 mph winds, a massive storm surge, 20 feet of water in the city, 80 percent of buildings damaged, refugees on rooftops, possibly gun violence that would slow the rescue.

                                    "What bothers me the most is all the people who've died unnecessarily," says Ivor Van Heerden, a hurricane researcher from Louisiana State University who ran the exercise.

                                    Van Heerden says the federal government didn't take it seriously.

                                    "Those FEMA officials wouldn't listen to me," he says. "Those Corps of Engineers people giggled in the back of the room when we tried to present information."

                                    One recommendation from the exercise: Tent cities should be prepared for the homeless.



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                                    • #38
                                      I saw Brown on Nightline last night; this man is utterly incompetent and should be the poster child for political cronyism.

                                      Nagin called the situation, too - I hope everyone listens to the radio interview with him - and it doesn't surprise me that this administration would do its best to oust him. Where the heck is the "compassion" evinced by these folks??

                                      My heart aches for the people of New Orleans (and their pets too).

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                                      • #39
                                        You'd *think* this disaster could be the perfect exit strategy for Iraq.

                                        An unnamed FEMA official I think in Biloxi made a comment on CBS news tonight. He said (not exact words) but "FEMA is going to take it in the shorts," and the reporter said, 'what do you mean by that?' and he said "They're not here. And there are no supplies here."
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                                        • #40
                                          I've posted the link to this article elsewhere, but if anyone hasn't seen it yet, here it is again...

                                          http://www.indyweek.com/durham/2004-09-22/cover.html

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