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  • #2001
    Letter to Clinton

    Here you go Sannois. There it is, right on their website.

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    • #2002
      BTW - does anyone but me find it ludicrous that GW has sent Karen Hughes to the Muslims to see how to improve America's image? Does he think she will find a way to get them to say "we like you - we REALLY like you~!" like Sally Field's oscar speech ? Does he truly believe that everything can be fixed with "spin" ? EQ

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      • #2003
        What's so wrong with PNAC, anyway? If anything, it seems like the conservative answer to the UN! But seriously, how are its views any less legitimate than those of Brookings, IPS, EPI, etc.?

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        • #2004
          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">former Education Secretary William Bennett (PNAC member!) on the cause/effect about that whole abortion thing so he wouldn't lament its loss on his radio show as a population control (and crime reducing) measure in the African American community. We'll just have to see what effect, if any, it has on the crime rate. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
          OK Heres a great example! A whole section of the conversationwas left out, thankyou Katy Couric! He was taking the other side of the argument, with someone, What he said was "...if you wanted to reduce crime,if that were your soul purpose, you could abort every black baby in this country your crime rate would go down. That would be an impossible ridiculous, morally reprehensible thing to do! , but your crime rate would go down"
          "Under fire" Katy Couric announced. " former education secretary, William Bennett feeling the heat for saying this on the radio". Viewers then heard a clip excluding Bennetts " Morally Reprehensible clarification. Keep in mind that Bennett is taking the opposite position of this argument. He is TOTALLY against abortion. The point was TOTALLY and deliberately left out!!!

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          • #2005
            QUOTE: Trailblazer "What's so wrong with NPAC, anyway?"

            Here is the Wikipedia answer:

            "Controversy
            The PNAC has been the subject of considerable criticism and controversy, both among members of the left and right. Critics dispute the premise that American "world leadership" is desirable for the world or even for America. The PNAC's harshest critics claim that it represents a disturbingly ambitious, borderline imperial agenda of global U.S. military expansionism and dominance. Critics of the U.S.'s poor international relations take umbrage at the PNAC's unashamed position of maintaining the U.S.'s privileged position as sole world superpower. Some critics even assert that the fall of the Soviet Union indicates an end to the era of 'superpowers' and therefore any concept of military hegemony or ascendancy are overrated. Military might is not power in itself; it requires huge financial commitments, strong domestic and international support plus skillful management to be considered worthwhile. PNAC position papers and other documents contain few references on building or maintaining any of these requirements.

            Supporters of the project reply that the PNAC's goals are not fundamentally different to other conservative foreign policy assessments of the past. American conservatives have traditionally favored a militarily strong United States, and advocated the country take aggressive positions when its interests are threatened. Supporters thus see the PNAC as the target of unfair conspiracy theories, mainly motivated by left wing politics."

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            • #2006
              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by equescool:
              BTW - does anyone but me find it ludicrous that GW has sent Karen Hughes to the Muslims to see how to improve America's image? Does he think she will find a way to get them to say "we like you - we REALLY like you~!" like Sally Field's oscar speech ? Does he truly believe that everything can be fixed with "spin" ? EQ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

              What's even better is the fact that Karen Hughes had never been to the Middle East before she became the undersecretary for public diplomacy and affairs. Don't you sleep better knowing that the best, brightest, and most qualified people are filling important positions during a time of war?

              Which sort of takes us back to the original topic of this thread...go figure...

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              • #2007
                OK, you disagree with what they stand for. I would hardly call that "controversy"! I disagree with Brookings. Brookings disagrees with Von Mises. Von Mises disagrees with Claremont. I'd argue that only that last bit is remotely interesting.

                Could someone please provide me with a REAL answer to my question? What makes PNAC less legitimate than Brookings? It's not enough to say that you disagree with it. With that logic ALL think tanks are illegitimate!

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                • #2008
                  Sannois, the original post about the NPAC linked to informationclearinghouse.info ... it's an independent website with info on lots of different things. Later, a link to NPAC itself was posted. If you want the info from the horse's mouth, just read the info at http://www.newamericancentury.org/.

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                  • #2009
                    trailblazer, direct that question to Snowbird... she's the one who thinks it's illegitimate/does not exist.

                    I think everyone else is just disagreeing with their ideas/concepts.

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                    • #2010
                      Sannois if you can't see why even presenting the idea then trying to 'qualify' it isn't ludicrous then I'm speachless. (BTW, even the president said his comments "weren't appropriate.") But go ahead, defend Bennett, one of my favorite hypocrites who makes his living lecturing people on morality and sin (earning 50K a pop for snide sermonizing) all the while maintaining a healthy gambling addiction. IMO it was a Freudian slip then a fast back pedal.
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                      \"See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda.\"—George W. Bush

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                      • #2011
                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Natalie:
                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by equescool:
                        BTW - does anyone but me find it ludicrous that GW has sent Karen Hughes to the Muslims to see how to improve America's image? Does he think she will find a way to get them to say "we like you - we REALLY like you~!" like Sally Field's oscar speech ? Does he truly believe that everything can be fixed with "spin" ? EQ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                        What's even better is the fact that Karen Hughes had never been to the Middle East before she became the undersecretary for public diplomacy and affairs. Don't you sleep better knowing that the best, brightest, and most qualified people are filling important positions during a time of war?

                        Which sort of takes us back to the original topic of this thread...go figure... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                        You mean like Secretary Rice?
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                        \"See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda.\"—George W. Bush

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                        • #2012
                          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by queasy:
                          Sannois if you can't see why even presenting the idea then trying to 'qualify' it isn't ludicrous then I'm speachless. (BTW, even the president said his comments "weren't appropriate.") But go ahead, defend Bennett, one of my favorite hypocrites who makes his living lecturing people on morality and sin (earning 50K a pop for snide sermonizing) all the while maintaining a healthy gambling addiction. IMO it was a Freudian slip then a fast back pedal. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
                          What exactly was so wrong with what Bennett said?

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                          • #2013
                            Ask the White House, since they thought the comments were "inappropriate" as well...

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                            • #2014
                              What's wrong with disagreeing with the White House? Isn't that the "American" thing to do?

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                              • #2015
                                <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by trailblazer:
                                <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by queasy:
                                Sannois if you can't see why even presenting the idea then trying to 'qualify' it isn't ludicrous then I'm speachless. (BTW, even the president said his comments "weren't appropriate.") But go ahead, defend Bennett, one of my favorite hypocrites who makes his living lecturing people on morality and sin (earning 50K a pop for snide sermonizing) all the while maintaining a healthy gambling addiction. IMO it was a Freudian slip then a fast back pedal. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
                                What exactly was so wrong with what Bennett said? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                TB, considering your previous comments regarding African Americans in this thread I'm not surprised you'd have this reaction. Mr. Morality discusses ways of dealing with the crime rate with a caller on his radio show that proposes the idea of aborting every black baby? Right, not offensive at all.
                                ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~:<~
                                \"See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda.\"—George W. Bush

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                                • #2016
                                  I need to formulate a thesis for my paper and go to bed. But this is so interesting.

                                  Alright Sannois, I'll explain why what Bennet said was wrong. I understand that he was playing devil's advocate (well maybe, but perefectly plausible) and offering a ludicrous support for abortion. The reason it was innapropriate and offensive was the fact that he connected "crime" with being "black." Which in my opinion is racist and incredibly small-minded and simplistic.

                                  Now maybe I'm not accurate in my assesment. And perhaps he didn't really mean it. But any thinking, moderately sensitive person would know better.

                                  And for the record, I go to a school that is PC as hell. And it annoys me. So I'm not the stereotypical "oh my gosh, I can't believe you said that!" liberal. But in some cases, there have to be lines. And this is an occasion where a line was crossed.

                                  Or maybe I'm wrong and this is not why it was innapropriate. Just what struck me.

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                                  • #2017
                                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by queasy:
                                    TB, considering your previous comments regarding African Americans in this thread I'm not surprised you'd have this reaction. Mr. Morality discusses ways of dealing with the crime rate with a caller on his radio show that proposes the idea of aborting every black baby? Right, not offensive at all. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
                                    Of course it's offensive. Maybe that's why "Mr. Morality" is opposed to aforementioned idea?

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                                    • #2018
                                      Uncle.
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                                      \"See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda.\"—George W. Bush

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                                      • #2019
                                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Natalie:
                                        The reason it was innapropriate and offensive was the fact that he connected "crime" with being "black." Which in my opinion is racist and incredibly small-minded and simplistic. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
                                        If it's true, is it still racist?

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                                        • #2020
                                          The original point, which not surprisingly escapes you, was in response to this statement:
                                          "What do you want to bet we are ALL completely misinformed and there are a bunch of politicians who REALLY know what all this mess is about laughing their heads off hysterically at all our suppositions?? "

                                          Which though meant humorously was actually demonstrated to be true by virtue of PNAC being the behind the scenes director of foreign policy. Whereas, people like YOU have been fed a line, swallowed it, and regurgitated it repeatedly, here and elsewhere, of all the glorious reasons for the Iraq war (wmd's, liberating millions, saddam is a bad guy, blah blah blah).


                                          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by trailblazer:
                                          What's so wrong with PNAC, anyway? But seriously, how are its views any less legitimate than those of Brookings, IPS, EPI, etc.? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
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