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  • Hidden Meadows Equine Rescue Owner in WV fined $1000

    The AllHorses Post ran a poll, and background information:

    http://www.allpetspost.org/allhorsespost/?p=5696

  • #2
    It's horrible. More than 50 animals rescued, 7 horses dead when they got there... and she only gets an animal cruelty charge and $1000 fine....

    Call the DA's office. The story, photos, and DA's information is at the link....
    Platinum Equestrian - Florida, USA

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    • #3
      'Restitution hearing'

      The story linked above says that the owner of the 'rescue' is due to have what they call a 'restitution hearing' at a later date.

      Is there anything we can do ensure a good outcome in this hearing? Do we need to pack the hearing room? Write lots of letters to the judge? Make giant posterboards explaining the costs of caring for the victims of this woman's care?

      Even if you don't care a bit for horses, the idea of someone committing a crime like this, where the clean up after the fact costs thousands of dollars that other folks end up paying, ought to offend anyone.

      Does anyone know anything about this process, either in this specific case or others like it?
      I tolerate all kinds of animal idiosyncrasies.
      I've found that I don't tolerate people idiosyncrasies as well. - Casey09

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      • #4
        What good is a restitution hearing when the woman doesn't have 2 dimes to rub together, unless her paypal is still working?
        The ONLY thing I can see she has to 'pay' for what she did is time... and they allowed her to plea out, avoiding time, without even looking at the evidence or allowing those there to speak for the voiceless horses the opportunity to do so.
        I am disgusted.
        Yo/Yousolong April 23rd, 1985- April 15th, 2014

        http://notesfromadogwalker.com/2012/...m-a-sanctuary/

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        • #5
          CHEESE & RICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It cost more than that to trailer all of them away!!!

          I understand the desire to help, and how you get to the point of having too many, but once their health suffers, you need to make a choice, finding new homes or euthing.

          She needs to pay all the money back, and do a serious amount of public service. If they had her do it @ horse rescue, she would get a good idea of the RIGHT way to do it.
          I reject your reality, and substitute my own- Adam Savage

          R.I.P Ron Smith, you'll be greatly missed

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          • #6
            What horse rescue would want her on their property?

            There were so many flags flying about this place before the merde hit the fan it looked like the UN. The desire to 'save' blinded many people to the obvious questions regarding this person and her org..

            You can not rescue your way out of slaughter. You can not save them all.
            THIS is what happens when you think out of the pipeline, 'better than a meathook' is good enough.
            Yo/Yousolong April 23rd, 1985- April 15th, 2014

            http://notesfromadogwalker.com/2012/...m-a-sanctuary/

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            • #7
              http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/...AfterDated.jpg

              http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/...reandAfter.jpg

              http://s1202.photobucket.com/albums/...reAndAfter.jpg

              http://s1202.photobucket.com/albums/...reandAfter.jpg

              http://s1202.photobucket.com/albums/...reandAfter.jpg

              This mare died.
              http://s1202.photobucket.com/albums/...eforeAfter.jpg

              http://s1202.photobucket.com/albums/...reandAfter.jpg

              Attached are photos of these two beautiful retired broodmares when they were first arrived at this hell hole. Three months later dead. Died a slow and painful death of starvation. Trapped in woods with little water and no pasture.

              http://forums.delphiforums.com/n/doc...btag=alexbrown

              ************Graphic photos of dead horses***********

              http://s1196.photobucket.com/albums/...t=IMG_2467.jpg

              Go here and click next.

              ***Graphic*****

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              • #8
                Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 7:29 PM
                Subject: Mary O'Brien Case

                I have some disturbing news regarding the Mary Obrien case. A hearing was scheduled today for the case, but before this could take place, a plea status hearing was conducted with only the public defender, prosecuting attorney (Kim Crockett) and the magistrate. Not a single person from the case was present including the investigating officer, animal control or myself. We actually showed up for the hearing and were told it was over.

                The only information the prosecuting attorney had was the warrant for the arrest. She has never even seen the case file or a single record or photo from the case. In addition, she never spoke with the investigating officer, animal control or myself. Basically, she prosecuted a case without even looking at the evidence and then the magistrate agreed to the plea bargain without anyone being present or at the least consulted.

                What a disappointment this judicial process has been. This was a very well documented case of animal cruelty. Both Animal Control and the Sheriff's Department did their jobs. At least eight horses died or had to be euthanized from starvation and neglect in this case.

                We are holding a press conference tomorrow in front of the court house at 11:00 A.M. to demand answers from the Chief Prosecutor's office. We would appreciate any support from horse owners and the public. Please forward this to your contacts. Thank you so much for all of your help.

                Sincerely,

                Christine Bridges D.V.M
                __._,_.___

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                • #9
                  I am getting so angry at seeing all these neglect photos. This is ridiculous, she should face much worse charges! Those poor horses.

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                  • #10
                    http://www.examiner.com/equine-advoc...-west-virginia
                    Nudging "Almost Heaven" a little closer still...
                    http://www.wvhorsetrainer.com

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by OTTBLuvr View Post
                      Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 7:29 PM
                      Subject: Mary O'Brien Case

                      I have some disturbing news regarding the Mary Obrien case. A hearing was scheduled today for the case, but before this could take place, a plea status hearing was conducted with only the public defender, prosecuting attorney (Kim Crockett) and the magistrate. Not a single person from the case was present including the investigating officer, animal control or myself. We actually showed up for the hearing and were told it was over.

                      The only information the prosecuting attorney had was the warrant for the arrest. She has never even seen the case file or a single record or photo from the case. In addition, she never spoke with the investigating officer, animal control or myself. Basically, she prosecuted a case without even looking at the evidence and then the magistrate agreed to the plea bargain without anyone being present or at the least consulted.

                      What a disappointment this judicial process has been. This was a very well documented case of animal cruelty. Both Animal Control and the Sheriff's Department did their jobs. At least eight horses died or had to be euthanized from starvation and neglect in this case.

                      We are holding a press conference tomorrow in front of the court house at 11:00 A.M. to demand answers from the Chief Prosecutor's office. We would appreciate any support from horse owners and the public. Please forward this to your contacts. Thank you so much for all of your help.

                      Sincerely,

                      Christine Bridges D.V.M
                      __._,_.___
                      It sounds like a travesty of justice.

                      Let's hope she'll get real justice and be ostracised and have a life time of misery and loneliness.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Thomas_1 View Post
                        It sounds like a travesty of justice.

                        Let's hope she'll get real justice and be ostracised and have a life time of misery and loneliness.
                        Ditto. Thank you for your support. This just cannot happen.

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                        • #13
                          More photos.

                          Again************Graphic*******************

                          http://www.flickr.com/photos/fairwea...7624868021341/

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Lori B View Post
                            The story linked above says that the owner of the 'rescue' is due to have what they call a 'restitution hearing' at a later date.

                            Is there anything we can do ensure a good outcome in this hearing? Do we need to pack the hearing room? Write lots of letters to the judge? Make giant posterboards explaining the costs of caring for the victims of this woman's care?
                            The problem with restitution is - they never pay it. We've been awarded restitution time and time again, and we've seen it maybe once. In one case, we were awarded over $9,000 in restitution. Never saw a dime..
                            Visit us at Bluebonnet Equine Humane Society - www.bluebonnetequine.org

                            Want to get involved in rescue or start your own? Check out How to Start a Horse Rescue - www.howtostartarescue.com

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                            • #15
                              Why is it so hard to get these cases right???

                              I am getting so frustrated. Between scamming rescuers, inept AC officers and a judicial system that doesn't know which end the oats go in it is a wonder any of them are ever saved!
                              Holly
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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by cowgirljenn View Post
                                The problem with restitution is - they never pay it. We've been awarded restitution time and time again, and we've seen it maybe once. In one case, we were awarded over $9,000 in restitution. Never saw a dime..
                                And that is exactly what will happen here. The rescues might see a bit of money from the sale of her seized property, what little of it there is, but it won't be much, certainly not enough to cover any of the expenses incurred. She probably won't give up any of her bank account either beyond a cursory payment. I bet she disappears shortly after the legal proceedings are wrapped up and goes to another part of WV or Ohio to take up with someone she knows and start all over again.
                                Thus do we growl that our big toes have, at this moment, been thrown up from below!

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by LexInVA View Post
                                  And that is exactly what will happen here. The rescues might see a bit of money from the sale of her seized property, what little of it there is, but it won't be much, certainly not enough to cover any of the expenses incurred. She probably won't give up any of her bank account either beyond a cursory payment. I bet she disappears shortly after the legal proceedings are wrapped up and goes to another part of WV or Ohio to take up with someone she knows and start all over again.
                                  and I am sure she will get more horses.

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                                  • #18
                                    Does she own land? If she owns the land the horses are on, she should have it seized to pay for the horses care.

                                    And how come we can't have a lien to garnish her future wages to pay for the horses care? There should not be anyplace to hide in this kind of case. Scowl.
                                    I tolerate all kinds of animal idiosyncrasies.
                                    I've found that I don't tolerate people idiosyncrasies as well. - Casey09

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                                    • #19
                                      cowgirljenn

                                      What kind of debt is restitution? Could you sell it to a debt collection company for a portion of its value, get some $$, and let them try to collect?

                                      Is the failure to get the restitution you are owed due to the fact that you can't afford any really aggressive lawyers?

                                      Don't we have some, uh, persistent folks in the legal professions on this board?
                                      I tolerate all kinds of animal idiosyncrasies.
                                      I've found that I don't tolerate people idiosyncrasies as well. - Casey09

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                                      • #20
                                        Important - for past donors to HMER

                                        If anyone here has ever donated to HMER (I realize that is unlikely, as HMER's few posts here were met by much skepticism) and is concerned about misappropriation of funds - please, please, please do this (crossposted, sorry about the copy/paste):

                                        Call the U.S. (Federal) Attorneys office that has jurisdiction over Martinsburg WV. They will send a complaint form to you if you call them. The individual I spoke to was very informative and he become more interested when I told him that the sheriffs office as well as others had clear evidence of starvation- i.e. misappropriation of funds. If you can enclose the spread sheet with the complaint, that will really help them with the investigation. And yes, interstate fraud comes under the jurisdiction of the federal attorney.

                                        If you know others who donated, they should also call the office to get a letter of complaint.

                                        The assistant also said that to start an investigation, they need people to step forward and file complaints - in other words, they need this evidence.
                                        Here is the contact information:

                                        William J. Ihlenfeld, II, USA*
                                        P.O. Box 591
                                        Wheeling, WV 26003-0011
                                        Web Site | Press Releases
                                        phone: (304)-234-0100
                                        fax: (304)234-0100



                                        (end of crossposted stuff)

                                        Interesting. the 2009 990 states 130K in revenue.
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