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  • Ahem! I stand corrected.

    Outside of the strange concept of eating your pets, what perhaps concerns me MORE is this woman's blatant disregard for OTHERS who do love horses. Can anyone possibly be so clueless that they don't realize their own societal norms?

    Or, that they could cause a good deal of pain and upset by speaking about this in front of others who love their horses?

    Does she just REALLY need attention and this is her way to get it? Or, perhaps does she want money, sympathy, etc? Is she just trying to get a rise out of others?

    I know I just sound suspicious now, but I truly am having trouble buying that what she says is face value... I am perhaps naive in thinking no body could be that stupid and callous around other horse lovers, not to mention her own apathy towards her horse.

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    • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by horse_poor:


      also i know of an equine product company called epona-they make jelly curries and scrubby clothes and loads of other stuff-----would they name them self after a religion that eats horses?????


      edited to add epona products website-i loff their Scrubby Bath Cloth
      http://www.eponaproducts.com


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      • "I don't think any place that sells lavender liniment would have ANYTHING to do with horse slaughter"

        my thoughts exactly, which is why i qestion this woman siting her epona religion as her motivation

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        • I was trying to stay out of this but...

          First of all, the lady has a right to eat her own horse. Personally I could never do that, but I have to recognize this as a personal preference based at least partly on my cultural background. She also has a right to practice whatever religion she subscribes to even if it seems strange to a lot of us. In fact, in many belief systems, it is considered an honor for the animal to be sacrificed and it can be done in a humane way. Whether any of this is legal or not probably depends on her locality.

          No, I am not a horse eater nor a horse sacrificer, nor do I intend to be. The fact remains that there are those who believe in these practices (at least the eating).

          We're talking about a horse with an absentee owner who arrived at the barn six months ago. The woman apparently has not had much contact with it at least since it has been at that barn. So it might be a stretch to try to ascertain what kind of relationship she has with it.

          But the only part that gets me weirded out was the fact that she told the barn manager of her intentions for her horse. It would have been much nicer if she had stated she intended to move the horse at the end of the month and arranged for more feed to "make it comfortable" and simply left it at that. So she does sound like she might have a few screws loose, but no one knows that for sure either.

          Please don't feel like I'm flaming anybody but I wonder about one thing. How did the KIDS who work at the barn come to know of this woman's plans. Of course the lady's general lack of discretion could be to blame, but otherwise they really don't have a need to know, IMHO.

          Don't get me wrong. I am NO believer in protecting children from the harsh realities of life as they occur. But given the circumstances, this may be a little TOO much.

          Sorry you are having to deal with such an unpleasant situation though. It sucks.

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          • /agree with Scootie

            Disgusting, yes

            Your business, no

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            • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by magnum:
              I am perhaps naive in thinking no body could be that stupid and callous around other horse lovers, not to mention her own apathy towards her horse.
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              It certainly does express a level of cluelessness, that she didn't realize people would be upset. But apathy - no. She's going to some trouble to do what she proposes, trouble that will certainly cost more than the value of the meat. It is clear to me that she's either an ultra-recycler or she feels eating her horse will give her a spiritual bond with it.

              Apathetic owners leave their horses in stalls for months without visiting, then one day say, "Hey, I'm not paying board any more. Send the horse to the local weekly auction."

              I certainly consider her proposal odd (though I admit I have heard of [odd] people doing this before), but "apathy" is the wrong word.
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              • Okay, I can understand someone eating their horse better than a Celtic religious sacrifice. So I guess I have been TROLLED!!!

                However, if not TROLLED are their any laws against killing animals( any type) for a religious purpose?

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                • The pieces don't add up. Two possible justifications for this behavior have been raised: (1) the owner wants simply "not to waste" the mare after euthanization and is thus going to eat her and (2) the owner has religious beliefs dictating that the horse "become one with her" through being eaten. Fine. But these twoimpulses are not exactly in line with asking the barn help to feed the horse extra grain in the last month to fatten her up.

                  Additionally, this isn't a woman deciding to euthanize an older horse who is in pain. That I am sure we can all agree with. The poster says the horse gets around fine and is doing okay, albeit a little creaky. While an owner could certainly put an older horse down for quality of life reasons (wouldn't question that decision either)-- such a caring owner would NOT start fattening the mare up first.

                  The fattenning up is yet another twist on this entire bizarre thing. That's just plain WEIRD.

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                  • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by horse_poor:
                    [QUOTE]
                    And about the burying thing? Just because someone told you you could do it, doesn't mean that they know the laws---burying a horse is a huge deal, and like Ghazzu said, can spread all manner of scary diseases into the groundwater. Just an fyi.

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                    • "Don't get me wrong. I am NO believer in protecting children from the harsh realities of life as they occur. But given the circumstances, this may be a little TOO much.
                      "

                      ever hear the saying "little pitchers have big ears?"

                      kids arent dumb-they pick up a lot more than we give them credit for

                      i am sure marie didnt say "hey kids so and so is going to eat her horse"

                      but i am sure they pickedup maries stress, heard tidbits of conversations, and added it up. my own kids are the master of this.

                      i agree, to each their own, but imagine being the barn manager, caring for this horse knowing what its fate is going to be, and know you cant do squat-----

                      it has to be distressing to say the least, especially having daily interaction with the horse, etc

                      i get pi$$ed at my barn when i see a horse woner not doing their horse service by leaving it up to the barn to manage all of its handling etc and having no interaction with the horse yet when approached to buy said horse, spout of declaration of love about said horse and never being able to part with it-----but knowing said horse would be a meal would send me over the edge


                      i just think it is interesting that those say "hey its ok-she can do what she wants" from standing waaaaaaaay over there...

                      i myself forget to put myself in ones shoes sometimes.....

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                      • This is an instance where I would have preferred to have been lied to. Why did she need to tell us this? She is a rather callous person, she likes to bring it up, and seems to delight in knowing how much distress she is causing. She has come up with a figure, $20,000.00, if we really want to "save" the horse. This feels like extortion.
                        I looked around for things on Epona too, and in the hundred or so sites that I looked at, I did find 2 references to sacrificing and/or eating horses.
                        It is her horse, and I wouldn't want someone telling me what I can and can't do with my horses (as long as it's not abusive of course) but I think it is quite unfair of her to involve us knowing how upsetting it would be for us. She was there a couple of times and knows very well how we feel about our horses.
                        I'll be at work with the horses all day tomorrow, freezing my butt off, in case anyone wonders why I am not commenting again
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                        • Marie, hang in there! So sorry that this is happening.

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                          • marie hun ya know where i am------

                            sending ya good thoughts and i hope aeros old royal robes are still keeping your boy warm!

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                            • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hey_marie:
                              This is an instance where I would have preferred to have been lied to. Why did she need to tell us this? She is a rather callous person, she likes to bring it up, and seems to delight in knowing how much distress she is causing. She has come up with a figure, $20,000.00, if we really want to "save" the horse. This feels like extortion.
                              <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                              There is no reason that she can force the barn to be a part of this. It is perfectly legal and within everyone's rights to give her an eviction notice. If she's taking great pleasure in making everyone miserable, I have a feeling once she can't do that anymore, she might change her mind. Tell her to leave and that you refuse to be a part of it and at the same time, make a standing offer to purchase the horse at any time during the future. Then just leave it at that. I have a feeling she'd be giving you a call. Who else is going to be willing to help her fatten up the old mare for her to eat it?

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                              • i thought the same ting as two toofs--i would ask her to leave immediately considering the circumstances

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                                • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by OLD A/O:
                                  Okay, I can understand someone eating their horse better than a Celtic religious sacrifice. So I guess I have been TROLLED!!!

                                  However, if not TROLLED are their any laws against killing animals( any type) for a religious purpose?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                  That would be in violation of the principle of separation of church and state. A principle that IMO, needs to be upheld.

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                                  • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by horse_poor:
                                    "Don't get me wrong. I am NO believer in protecting children from the harsh realities of life as they occur. But given the circumstances, this may be a little TOO much.
                                    "

                                    ever hear the saying "little pitchers have big ears?"

                                    kids arent dumb-they pick up a lot more than we give them credit for

                                    i am sure marie didnt say "hey kids so and so is going to eat her horse"

                                    but i am sure they pickedup maries stress, heard tidbits of conversations, and added it up. my own kids are the master of this.

                                    i agree, to each their own, but imagine being the barn manager, caring for this horse knowing what its fate is going to be, and know you cant do squat-----

                                    it has to be distressing to say the least, especially having daily interaction with the horse, etc

                                    i get pi$$ed at my barn when i see a horse woner not doing their horse service by leaving it up to the barn to manage all of its handling etc and having no interaction with the horse yet when approached to buy said horse, spout of declaration of love about said horse and never being able to part with it-----but knowing said horse would be a meal would send me over the edge


                                    i just think it is interesting that those say "hey its ok-she can do what she wants" from standing waaaaaaaay over there...

                                    i myself forget to put myself in ones shoes sometimes.....

                                    molly
                                    *member of just about every clique*
                                    http://community.webshots.com/user/m...></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                    I actually assumed this to be the case, but thought it was an important issue. What a terrible experience for those involved.

                                    Its still the lady's horse, but it would have been better if she had been discreet about such potentially upsetting plans.

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                                    • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hey_marie:
                                      This is an instance where I would have preferred to have been lied to. Why did she need to tell us this? She is a rather callous person, she likes to bring it up, and seems to delight in knowing how much distress she is causing. She has come up with a figure, $20,000.00, if we really want to "save" the horse. This feels like extortion.
                                      I looked around for things on Epona too, and in the hundred or so sites that I looked at, I did find 2 references to sacrificing and/or eating horses.
                                      It is her horse, and I wouldn't want someone telling me what I can and can't do with my horses (as long as it's not abusive of course) but I think it is quite unfair of her to involve us knowing how upsetting it would be for us. She was there a couple of times and knows very well how we feel about our horses.
                                      I'll be at work with the horses all day tomorrow, freezing my butt off, in case anyone wonders why I am not commenting again
                                      Marie<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                      Ewwww...

                                      I do think that person's elevator is not quite making it to the top floor. Or maybe it is because I believe that a truly spiritual person practices their beliefs in the way they see fit without using them to frighten or upset "nonbelivers".

                                      I'm sorry you have to go through this. It puts you in a kind of bind because you have been forced to participate in something you do not wish to condone or promote. At the same time, simply evicting the boarder and putting the horse out only increases your worries about the comfort and well-being of this mare.

                                      I'm sorry, that woman sounds like a real creep. Certainly she knows that in this society eating of horseflesh is generally considered repugnant and may be upsetting. She did not just roll out from under a rock yesterday. In this case there seems to be no excuse for her not to have the decency to keep her plans to herself.

                                      I wish I had some advice on how to best deal with the situation, but it has totally blown me away too.

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                                      • No legitimate modern pagan religion would ever condone the sacrifice of an animal as part of ritual. Epona is considered the PROTECTOR of horses, not their devourer--a person wha has truly studied this Celtic goddess would have to pretty wacked out to come up with that interpretation.

                                        Ancient pagan practitioners DID sacrifice animals as part of their religion, however there was a social welfare aspect to that as well--because the meat of scrificed animals was shared among the entire village or community, offering a valuable protien hit for an agrarain community that was often just a few meals away from starvation. Modern pagans would never consider such an action--sane ones anyway.

                                        While I find this woman's desire to eat her horse disturbing, her maligning and co-opting of pagan beliefs as part of her plan is more disturbing to me. Her lunatic interpretation of Celtic beliefs and practices and her "price tag" of $20,000 as well as her apparent delight in antagonizing others, makes me thing she may in fact be mentally unstable.

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                                        • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> She is a rather callous person, she likes to bring it up, and seems to delight in knowing how much distress she is causing. She has come up with a figure, $20,000.00, if we really want to "save" the horse. This feels like extortion.
                                          <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


                                          Aaaahhhhhhh....
                                          The cat is out of the bag...
                                          Maybe with a little bargening, she thinks she can get maybe 2 grant out of it or there's about...worth much more than the hide and bones...

                                          Sorry for all of the people at the barn...consier it a bad joke, go *Hmm* *Aha*, nodd and walk away...

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