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  • #81
    Two Hoofs - then I will sleep well in Jail. I did the right thing and by the way I am not a PETA fan. You do not know me but a month in Jail would be better to me than knowing some one was eating a horse I knew, the kids knew and I took care of.

    I am just a horse lover who has kept or made sure my old guys had the best life ever. Why? This is because we love each other!!! It is a two way street with horses!!! I love them and believe it or not the horse actually loves its owner, rider, groom or etc.- just give them a chance to love you.

    Some of my horses are now boarded out due to the weather and lack of space and time at my farm. They acutally know the sound of my tuck when I pull into the other farm. They run to the gate waiting for me. These are OTTB's. I JUST love it!!! My old guys are home with me- they have earned it.

    Can you just imagine how Hey Marie feels? She is just running a boarding stable not a meat packing plant. She and the kids have grown to love this horse even though the owner has not. I would not want to be in her shoes for one minute!!!

    Flame Suit on Flame me!!!

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    • #82
      i asked my roommate who owns the house and she says she has the "ok" to bury our beloved ones

      but i am sure it is not legal in some places

      molly
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      • #83
        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by OLD A/O:
        Two Toofs - then I will sleep well in Jail. I did the right thing and by the way I am not a PETA fan. You do not know me but a month in Jail would be better to me than knowing some one was eating a horse I knew, the kids knew and I took care of.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

        How well would you sleeping knowing that if you took those actions, you would quite possibly result ruining attempts to pass legislation making it illegal to slaughter horses in this country, or make it more difficult to stop the IL plant from reopening?

        What you propose to do is the exact type of action that has many dead set against this legislation passing. They feel (wrongfully so, in my opinion) that it is just a first step in chipping away your rights as a horse owner. Your actions would give them a wonderful argument to convince others that what they say might be true - more fuel for the fire - not to mention allowing them to point out the criminal activities that took place which will be painted on all who wish to stop the slaughter of horses in this country. It doesn't matter that you are not a PETA or ALF supporter, not one bit. You would be labeled as such by pro-slaughter groups and probably have PETA giving you a medal.

        These are the things that "with friends like that, who needs enemies" is made of.

        Two Toofs
        (formerly - but still - NDANO)

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        • #84
          Eating a horse and making sure it had a good life are not mutually exclusive.

          Unashamed member of the Arab clique...just settin' on the Group W bench.
          "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

          ...just settin' on the Group W bench.

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          • #85
            The eating of horsemeat is purely a personal thing.
            Old horses are not tough, (even though an old stallion will taste very strongly of male)provided they have not been recently trained for a stressful sport. To use a horse safely in a stressful sport : racing, jumping, pulling, eventing, endusrance etc. the horse must be prepared through a long conditioning period. This makes the muscles tough, strong, hard.

            Cattle (beef) have a different mechanism. Oxen used for hauling logs, may have a few months rest after a period of work and return to work with very little conditioning, just retraining. Once the meat (muscles) are conditioned or hardened, it will stay that way, and therefore be tough. That is why prime beef is derived from animals less than 30 months of age. Old cows that have got their muscles in condition (hard) are mainly used for hamburger.
            I had a 10 month old colt break a leg, and considered using him for meat, but it was middle of winter and I could not find someone to slaughter him in a blizzard.So i called the vet and the deadstock pickup.

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            • #86
              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lucky jenny:

              I had a 10 month old colt break a leg, and considered using him for meat, but it was middle of winter and I could not find someone to slaughter him in a blizzard.So i called the vet and the deadstock pickup.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

              excuse me while i go vomit

              molly
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              • #87
                <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by goobs:
                EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!! How repulsive! Eating your own animal? What is wrong with a trip to the supermarket? That is just so disgusting to me. Does she own horses for consumption purposes? I hope she doesn't have any dogs or cats! ICK!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                You know, meat doesn't magically appear inside those shrink-wrapped packages. It used to be alive before it was cut up into convenient bits for you. Indeed, the meat at your average supermarket probably lived a miserable life before it appeared there.

                I have no desire to eat horse, mine or an anonymous steak, but as long as the horse is well treated, I don't have a problem with it. Yes, it's odd - but what does it matter what will be done with the carcass after it's dead? If you think the horse is still happy and living a good life, offer to buy it, but even so, you'll run into a sadly large number of horses that are euthanized prematurely.

                I think it is more civilized to raise your own meat and/or to choose meat that has been thoughtfully raised than it is to just "buy it at the supermarket" where you can pretend it never lived anyway.

                Have any of you read "Stranger in a Strange Land" by Robert Heinlein? That might be the genesis of the idea.
                If you are allergic to a thing, it is best not to put that thing in your mouth, particularly if the thing is cats. - Lemony Snicket

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                • #88
                  Here's a link from 2002: AVMA website article

                  Does anyone know if this bill passed? I will try to follow up on it.

                  If you go to google and enter "interstate transport of horses for human consumption", a lot of interesting stuff pops up.

                  "The acoustics at Tanglewood in Lenox, MA, are so good that when Bob Dylan plays here you can understand every word he sings." -Garrison Keillor
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                  • #89
                    From what I can tell, this is the latest incarnation of the federal bill: HR 857

                    There have been a few others that seem to have died, HR 3781 and Hr 2622. Does anyone know more about this? Who's our White House correspondent, dammit? (Seriously though, don't we have a poster who works in Congress?)

                    Edited to add that Senator Dianne Feinstein from CA was supposed to be introducing an identical bill into the Senate, but I can't see if it ever got as far as being assigned an SB number.

                    "The acoustics at Tanglewood in Lenox, MA, are so good that when Bob Dylan plays here you can understand every word he sings." -Garrison Keillor

                    [This message was edited by bigbay on Jan. 29, 2004 at 01:00 PM.]
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                    • #90
                      Okay, here's my final, informed and updated post on this topic. I did the research mostly because I'm bored and the legal aspect of this appeals to me.

                      For anyone who had a negative reaction to this thread: It is currently NOT illegal to slaughter horses for human consumption in the U.S. The basic fact though, is that it's not in our culture and we just don't really do it- but if you wanted to, you could (provided you don't live in CA, TX, or IL). We DO allow horses to be killed in the US and exported to cultures where horsemeat is eaten. There are currently only two active sluaghterhouses in the US. Both are foreign-owned, and both are located in Texas. Because of the attorney general of TX recently upholding a 1949 state law against the slaughter of horses, I believe and injunction has been issued, but there is a lawsuit pending.

                      Anway, the point is, it is currently not illegal to eat horses in the US. If you want it to be, there is a bill pending in Congress right now, titled HR 857. To read the text of the bill, go here.. The bill has been referred to committee, but new sponsors are still signing up, as recently as January 23. There are currently 165 co-sponsors. To see if your Representative is a sponsor, go here. If he/she is NOT, and you want them to be, write them a letter. Their contact information can be found here. If you don't want to write them or if they are already a sponsor but you still want to write a general letter of support, the original sponsors of the bill can be found here.

                      If you just want to know more about the overall horse slaughter picture at both the state and national levels, or to educate yourself, good websites are http://www.hoofpac.com and http://equineprotectionnetwork.com/. To Supporters of horse slaughter, I apologize for not providing a balanced view, but I couldn't find any sites dedicated to supporting horse slaughter. There are dissenting articles however that will pop up if you do a Google search on the subject.

                      Interestingly enough, the National Thoroughbred Racing Association (NTRA), recently signed on as a supporter of HR 857.

                      "The acoustics at Tanglewood in Lenox, MA, are so good that when Bob Dylan plays here you can understand every word he sings." -Garrison Keillor
                      \"It is good to be fine.\"

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                      • #91
                        I work in an average office, outside Washington DC.

                        At lunch today, I mentioned this subject and not a single person was grossed out at the idea of somebody ELSE eating horse.

                        None of them were volunteering, but they weren't grossed out by it. They don't own horses as pets...and they don't own cows as pets.

                        Just a bunch of non-horsey Americans. I think we had 8 or 9 of us in the room.

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                        • #92
                          Am I the only one who noticed that "Hey_ Marie," the author of this thread, has NOT been back? ... And, that this was "Marie's" ONE AND ONLY post on the CotH?

                          Looks like we've been duped by a troll, everyone.....


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                          • #93
                            The OP did sound trollish, but I thought horse_poor vouched for her.

                            I did notice that she hasn't been back though...

                            "The acoustics at Tanglewood in Lenox, MA, are so good that when Bob Dylan plays here you can understand every word he sings." -Garrison Keillor
                            \"It is good to be fine.\"

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                            • #94
                              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by magnum:
                              _Am I the only one who noticed that "Hey_ Marie," the author of this thread, has NOT been back? ... And, that this was "Marie's" ONE AND ONLY post on the CotH?

                              Looks like we've been duped by a troll, everyone..... _

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                              Member of the Susie Ormond clique!*<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



                              marie is a very real person as i stated---

                              part of it could be-

                              1) our region is currently having an absolute artic blast right now and havent seen above zero temps much this week and like many of us has been battling a foot of snow, frozen water pipes, freezing water buckets etc------lucklily i have the luxery to work at home and can cruise COTH as much as i wish-others, especially those who provide boarding for others or have their horses at home or do not work in their home do not have that luxery

                              2) as a member of the other group marie belongs to, she does not post much there unless she is need of advise or has advise she feels can benefit someone else--

                              3) as being a new member of COTH, she might be a bit taken aback at the responses to her thread, as she is generally trying to get help to stop what this woman is intending to do. face it-we can all be somewhat intimidating to a new postee as we all feel passionately about our views

                              4) maybe she is simply reading the posts and taking from it what she can-she pretty much laid it on the line in her OP


                              someone does not have to have a gazillion posts to not be a troll. everyone differs in their poosting methods-some are very involved, some just post with as much info they can give about an issue and gather feedback silently

                              again-marie is not a troll-if she is, then her troll horse is wearing aeros old blanket

                              molly
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                              • #95
                                <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bigbay:

                                Interestingly enough, the National Thoroughbred Racing Association (NTRA), recently signed on as a supporter of HR 857<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                The racing industry as a whole is actually at the forefront of pushing the federal legislation as well as the IL state legislation that is pending through to become law. The NTRA issued an official statement against the slaughter of horses quite some time ago.

                                The lobbiests of all the IL thoroughbred tracks are active in Springfield, trying to get the law passed. You can see lists of racing industry supporters here, here, and here.

                                And while it is not illegal to eat horsemeat in some states, many have laws outlawing the sale of it for human consumption in the US.

                                Two Toofs
                                (formerly - but still - NDANO)

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                                • #96
                                  Thanks for the defense horse_poor. Have been busy with barn and "real" job. Can't support the boys on barn manager wages . Will post from home this evening, after work and stop at the barn. Meanwhile the pagan religion of "Epona" has been cited by the horse owner.
                                  Appreciate voices of reason. Good to get many viewpoints. Barn owner is on the verge of getting herself into trouble she does not need.
                                  Got to go before I get busted. Marie

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                                  • #97
                                    I've never heard of Epona so I'm looking around on the web, and so far all I'm getting is that Epona was the goddess of horses and doesn't indicate that she should be eating them by any means...

                                    Heres a quote from conjure.com

                                    "Representations of Epona always have a horse present. She is most often shown sitting sideways on a mare, sometimes a suckling mare. Sometimes Epona is standing or sitting beside or between horses. She holds symbols of plenty like cornucopiae, patera full of grain and fruit. She sometimes is feeding her equine companions. She often appears with the Mother Goddesses in inscription and iconographically. There are even several finds where she herself is tripled and an inscription is dedicated to "the Eponas".
                                    Statues of Epona have been found associated with healing springs. It is hard to know what significance this has. Many Celtic deities have a healing aspect. Perhaps she was invoked for healing of horses."
                                    EDIT TO ADD...
                                    "Among sacrificial animals we find horses, cattle, lambs, pigs, and dogs, also stags, hares, birds and wild pigs as well as other wild animals. Young animal often show signs of butchering, older cattle and horses mostly do not. Pig, either wild or domestic (its hard to tell!), is a favorite in both burial and temple deposition."


                                    So maybe she's "sacrificing" the mare.

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                                    • #98
                                      I saw this thread and hadn't answered--just finished reading all the pages now though.

                                      I have to say that while it may be weird, and something that I can't fathom doing to my own horse, there is nothing wrong with eating a horse. Like someone mentioned, meat just doesn't appear at the grocery store shrinkwrapped from the sky.

                                      Yes, it's an animal-I eat meat, I ride in a leather saddle, wear leather shoes, etc. I choose not to eat horse, but that's my choice. Other countries eat horse quite regularly-others eat dog. Much of this is custom.

                                      I think many are appalled because we are horse people-folks here were disgusted by the horse leather aviator jacket. I say the horse is dead, and if he was put to death and is not in misery any more, then why NOT use all of the animal that you can?

                                      It is NOT your horse to sell or hide or whatever people have said. It is her horse, her decision, regardless if you think it is wrong. Geez, people eat deer and all sorts of other animals--I have half a cow named "Howard" in my freezer. Lots of vegetarians would be disgusted by THAT....it's all in the way you look at it.

                                      And about the burying thing? Just because someone told you you could do it, doesn't mean that they know the laws---burying a horse is a huge deal, and like Ghazzu said, can spread all manner of scary diseases into the groundwater. Just an fyi.

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                                      • #99
                                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
                                        And about the burying thing? Just because someone told you you could do it, doesn't mean that they know the laws---burying a horse is a huge deal, and like Ghazzu said, can spread all manner of scary diseases into the groundwater. Just an fyi.

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                                        fyi-----the ok came from the county



                                        also i know of an equine product company called epona-they make jelly curries and scrubby clothes and loads of other stuff-----would they name them self after a religion that eats horses?????


                                        edited to add epona products website-i loff their Scrubby Bath Cloth
                                        http://www.eponaproducts.com

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                                        [This message was edited by horse_poor on Jan. 29, 2004 at 08:16 PM.]
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                                        • I think she must just be part of a scary offshoot of that religion. There's a poster on the boards named Eponaroan, but she's involved with the ROAN horse rescue, so in her case, the Epona makes sense.

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