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  • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Soup From the Store:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Snowbird:
    I really didn't mean to make you feel rejected. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Something tells me that SeaOat doesn't need your approval one way or the other.

    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    From all I've read on this board, I do not think that Snowbird needs anyone's approval, either. She's a tough old bird!! (Said with admiration, Snowbird) At least she doesn't degenerate into name calling and saying someone is full of shit. Such well thought out responses those are. I don't think you have any right, Soup, to tell anyone they are spouting off hot air. Just my opinion.
    Freaky Farm Hermit Clique
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    • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SweatySaddlepad:
      Snowbird, Stilicho, Tory Relic and Poltroon instead of spending countless hours on the internet posting your rantings and all your very time consuming stat links why not get together and write a bill that you believe to be correct. Any major University with a Political Science department can help you. You say we won't answer your questions, well right back at ya. Wouldn't _your_ time be better spent being productive on that front than hours on an internet board . <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

      Whoa, there. 1) I've not ranted nor posted any stat links. 2) I was a political science major -- were you? 3) It's not up to you to tell me how to spend my time. 4) Why don't you post something useful instead of telling us to if you find it so offensive?
      Freaky Farm Hermit Clique
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      • Since it doesn't seem like anyone is going to change their minds...

        Can you perhaps focus your energies on ideas for the "Saving the horse industry" thread instead? Pretty please?
        Success is not the result of spontaneous combustion; you must set yourself on fire

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        • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FlowerPower:

          Oh but they DO! Animal Control and Humane Organizations are there to protect all animals... my friend who is a humane officer was right in the middle of the shut down of a pig slaughter plant - closed due to horrible humane violations. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

          So, I'm even more confused. Why aren't existing plants shut down/cited/cleaned up with these existing laws/mechanisms then?[/QUOTE]

          They ARE shut down if they are found to have EXTREME humane violations. It is fairly difficult to have a plant shut down unless the violations are very extreme though, because it is someone's business and their are human jobs at stake. They are usually just fined and go about business as usual.
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          • That's interesting they don't get serious fines because of concern for the welfare of humans who then would become unemployed.

            But you think it's OK! for these humans to be unemployed so that no one human can eat the meat.

            But you don't care about all the other animals subjected to the pain and suffering that Americans do eat enough to want to push instead for proper methods for slaughter. I really do not understand the logic. If this amount of energy and talent went into proper supervision and procedures for slaughter just think what you might accomplish for all animals, fowl and fish.

            What this bill says is you don't care if horses are slaughtered cruelly with great pain and misery as long as no one can eat their meat. Do you really think at that point the horse cares what you do with his carcass?

            Once I've stopping occupying this life support system I really don't care what you do with me either. I could be a dart board it won't matter at all then.
            http://www.usAHSA.org and http://www.noreinstatement.org

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            • You've responded to almost every post on this thread, but you don't seem to read them at all! The slaughter trade exists to support the killing of horses for human consumption. Take away the economic gain, and the slaughter plants will die.

              The workers will find other employment - either in that location, or they will move to where the jobs are. That, too, is simple economics. No one kept the dot com boom going in 2001 so that I could keep my job - I and tons of others lost work in that bust, and yet I survived. Found something else to do. Simple economics.

              Amazing that you want to continue an industry that tortures the animals you claim to care about, just so that the people doing the killing can have jobs. You care about the slaughter workers, the right of the French (and whoever) to eat horse meat...everyone, it seems, but the horses. And the horses are the only ones who have no voice with which to defend themselves.

              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Snowbird:
              But you think it's OK! for these humans to be unemployed so that no one human can eat the meat.
              <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
              "It's not a perfect world....But it's still good to be alive! If you don't know by now, you'll probably never understand the way it feels to wanna live....One Perfect Moment!!"

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              • In the case of the pig slaughter plant, a humane worker went undercover to get evidence via video - when someone is doing something wrong, you generally have to have evidence, overwhelming evidence, to do something as drastic as shutting down a plant. That is often hard to get.

                <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by poltroon:
                So, I'm even more confused. Why aren't existing plants shut down/cited/cleaned up with these existing laws/mechanisms then? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                I think it is also useful to note that often there are humane laws on the books that simply do not get enforced due to lack of funds. The Humane Transport Act of 1996, which is supposed to ensure that horses are not crowded onto the double-deckers for transport to slaughter, is unfunded. Therefore, you can have a situation where a truck wrecks with 60 horses on a pig transport; it is illegal, but unenforced.
                "It's not a perfect world....But it's still good to be alive! If you don't know by now, you'll probably never understand the way it feels to wanna live....One Perfect Moment!!"

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                • Dizzy,
                  That's what makes her an "expert thread killer". It took me an embarassingly long time to figure it out, but talking to some of these people is as stimulating & useful as chatting up a pole. You're too smart to waste your time.
                  I think it's best for me not to even respond anymore, given that.
                  "There's a fine line between genius and madness. I've removed that line." -Super Genius/me

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                  • I have an issue with slaughter for different reasons than some of you. There are NO safeguards in place to ensure that someone's stolen horse is not amongst the ranks of those to be slaughtered. I don't personally have an issue with the horse meat industry but if that is the reason we slaughter then shouldn't there be horse "meat" farms? Like how people raise other livestock for the sole purpose of human consumption? Leather goods etc?

                    Unwanted, illegally obtained horses do NOT belong at slaughter...NO WAY....politics is not the issue....people should NOT be able to send horses to slaughter without a damn good reason....and if they have met certain criteria the horses should be humanely euthanized (injection) and THEN and ONLY then should they be slaughtered. When I say that people need to meet criteria, criteria should be established by State Veteranarians.

                    The other thing that BAFFLES me is how we can slaughter someone's throw away horse not knowing what type of vaccinations, medications etc they have received and if they are even SAFE for human consumption? Do they have some tests they run while the horses are alive that determine if they are safe for consumption?

                    I personally also think that making horses COMPANION animals is ok. Aren't they? The only issue with horses opposed to dogs and cats are that horses are bigger....don't unwanted dogs and cats get lethal injections opposed to bullets in their head that may or may not kill them?
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                    • Castle: "The other thing that BAFFLES me is how we can slaughter someone's throw away horse not knowing what type of vaccinations, medications etc they have received and if they are even SAFE for human consumption? Do they have some tests they run while the horses are alive that determine if they are safe for consumption?"

                      Answer: Third page, first post. As well your other concerns have been addressed too.
                      "There's a fine line between genius and madness. I've removed that line." -Super Genius/me

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                      • Thanks SeaOat...missed that page!

                        And you know what? This argument about people losing jobs if we shut down slaughter houses????

                        GIVE ME A BREAK! Put them to work in the shelters......they are under-staffed. Then at least their time will be well-spent....
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                        • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Snowbird:
                          That's interesting they don't get serious fines because of concern for the welfare of humans who then would become unemployed.

                          But you think it's OK! for these humans to be unemployed so that no one human can eat the meat.

                          But you don't care about all the other animals subjected to the pain and suffering that Americans do eat enough to want to push instead for proper methods for slaughter. I really do not understand the logic. If this amount of energy and talent went into proper supervision and procedures for slaughter just think what you might accomplish for all animals, fowl and fish. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


                          Ummm... who is the "you" in your post??? I can only assume it is me, since I was the one who posted before on that particular subject. So are you assuming that everyone on this board doesn't care about the people's jobs, or just me? Because I sure as hell didn't say that, and I didn't say they 'don't get serious fines because of concern for the welfare of humans who then would become unemployed' I stated that they didn't get shut down without serious violations, they DO get fined. It is really clear that most people here DO care about "all the other animals subjected to the pain and suffering that Americans do eat" and alot of us ARE working for "proper methods for slaughter". You just are too busy starting trouble to actually read the posts of those you are putting down.

                          Do you not care enough to read other's posts or do you really have this much problem with reading??? Because I take time and care with most of my posts and for you to come back and say something you pulled completely out of your a$$ to prove your own viewpoint is very irritating.
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                          • Flowerpower it was not you! It was a generic "YOU" as in not me.
                            http://www.usAHSA.org and http://www.noreinstatement.org

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                            • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>If you want more support for your bill, make it about improving conditions instead of about eating horsemeat, and I think you'll get it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                              Last year legislation was passed and incorporated into the farm bill to "Enforce the Humane Slaughter Act of 1958.... that is 40 some years after the original legislation. The following article is what prompted three seperate bills to be initiated to Enforce the Humane Slaughter Act.
                              http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...60798-2001Apr9

                              The problem is it will NEVER happen - we can't legislate people to care. The only way to end the inhumane horse slaughter system is to end it.
                              Please write your Senators and Representatives.
                              http://www.congress.org/congressorg/home/

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                              • This is part of an email from United Equine Foundation containing info on a new booklet giving horsemen alternatives to slaughter. Will keep everyone updated...also on their Washington DC events to come.

                                "I think the day went very well, we picked up a new co-sponsor from it, Rep Pitts (PA). We have a couple more that have requested more info, especially the book that AHDF will be releasing soon. The book is Alternatives to Auction and Slaughter, a Guide for Equine Owners. This book will soon be available for every horse owner nationwide and lists literally hundreds of options including riding facilities, rescues, sanctuaries, crematories, rendering facilities and much more. It has taken our staff months to compile these lists and from the sheer numbers of the alternatives, there can be no argument that there is no other option. We got a great deal of positive response from our attendence and we also found it very educational for those that attended from the various organizations."
                                "There's a fine line between genius and madness. I've removed that line." -Super Genius/me

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                                • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Echo:
                                  The problem is it will NEVER happen - we can't legislate people to care. The only way to end the inhumane horse slaughter system is to end it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                  ONLY WITH YOUR OWN MONEY !!!

                                  There are lots of problems with people and one of them is to make them understand that there is NO SUCH THING as Government Money

                                  All they get is TAXPAYERS MONEY and THAT kind money is not to be wasted in animal welfare when there are so many HUMAN NEEDS that have not yet been fulfilled for lack of adequate funding !!!

                                  Reed those articles about POVERTY IN AMERICA and be ashame of what you and some others are saying...
                                  We do not live in a society that is rich enouch to spend that kind of money in horse welfare.

                                  PLEASE RETURN TO YOUR SENSES

                                  Write to your senator saying that

                                  BILLIONS OF DOLLARS A YEAR FOR ANIMAL WELFARE IS INSANE AND INHUMANE.
                                  Those animal freaks, horse nuts and the like NEVER talk about the costs of this insanity.

                                  I refrained from posting because its disgusting some posts that this thread have, some even insulting others like the Soup from the swamp and the SeaWeed did.
                                  But what is too much is too much.

                                  Humans, Humans Rights and Human needs, always and forever FIRST.
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                                  • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DizzyMagic:
                                    I disagree with you; I disagree with your analysis; I disagree that this bill will have a negative impact on the horse community. You've made your arguments, I've read them, and I still disagree. That's life! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                    That is because you are either ignorant of the consequences or if you don't you do not want to see what is wrong with it.
                                    There is no bigger blind then the one that do not want to see. Really Dizzying and without any magic at all.

                                    In either case the result is the same.
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                                    • I'm sorry stizilcho, did you say something?
                                      "There's a fine line between genius and madness. I've removed that line." -Super Genius/me

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                                      • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>There is no bigger blind then the one that do not want to see. Really Dizzying and without any magic at all. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                        Stilicho/Bald Eagle....I see you are back to torment us some more. Why can't you reply to someone who disagrees with you without trying to twist their user name to attempt to make them look stupider than you are? Why can't you just disagree and converse on a topic without making it personal? Guess I'm just daydreaming again and didn't really see this....

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                                        • I really admire yours and Snowbird's posts - don't always agree but you make such valid points.

                                          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stilicho:
                                          Humans, Humans Rights and Human needs, always and forever FIRST. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                          This has been tried but with an America that has 2 political parties split right down the middle and forces the people to compromise on our own morals.

                                          There has never been a time when every child is born wanted and loved, into a family that has it's best interests at heart, has enough food to eat, a full belly at breakfast to start the school day, and parents who would move heaven and earth to make their child's world a better place. No child left behind? Lots are left behind. Until a decade ago people were still poppin' out babies for a larger welfare check. Lots are left to rot on the streets because of mental illness but no way to afford medication. People and politics created this.

                                          Is this right? No. Will it change? No. Not until we change it here in America can we make a difference somewhere else.

                                          We give food to other countries on conditions....you can't sterilize your women and cannot terminate a pregnancy. The food is genetically altered and therefore goes against some religious views. We see horrifying images every day on starving nations and something can be done but we should only offer solutions....not be hell-bent on changing the nation.

                                          We go into other countries that have had sacred ways of doing things for OVER 2000 years but we want to change them.

                                          We give billions of $$ in aid to other countries, train terrorists, give 'em weapons; taxpayer's in the whole US have to take care of people who chose to live in areas that were predicted to fall off our continent a long time ago.....where does it end?

                                          Some of the poorest people vote for a guy because they are convinced that guy will let them keep their gun; others vote only for skin color . We are are own worst enemy.

                                          I am an eternal optimist but there are days when it is quite obvious that we are no more civilized now than anyone else.

                                          So, because of this sometimes some of us have to focus on just one thing. Me, I adopt at least one family anonomously every holiday and make sure they have a good dinner and gifts for their children. I also made a conscience decision to not have children because of the lack of human compassion for people and animals.

                                          But my passion is a neglect-free world for companion animals....I am hell bent on controlled breeding so this slaughter issue isn't an issue anymore.

                                          Until people take responsibility for their own actions NOTHING will change on a huge level..we just have to try to make a difference one day at a time.
                                          "Concern for animals is a matter of taking the side of the weak against the strong, something the best people have always done." Harriet Beecher Stowe 1811-1896

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