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OMG! Someone's galloping down the expressway in Chicago!!

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    #61
    Originally posted by Beck View Post
    His lawyer said saddle sores are "common" on horses. 😳. Polite words fail.

    You cannot abuse an animal like that and simultaneously claim empathy for humans. Didn't Gandhi have something to say about what you could tell about people by the way they treat animals?

    I felt sick watching them hold that horse still on the pavement after the 'rider' got off. She was breathing hard and sore. Please somebody walk her down! On the grass! Her poor feet. Her poor lungs. Not one single horseman among them. Not one.
    This bothered me too. *DO* something for that poor animal, get her in the shade or something, take that saddle off.

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      #62
      A friend of mine works in animal welfare in Chicago. He showed me some sad photos of the horse laying down after being rescued. It is not looking good for the horse. The Jerk has already made over 86Kon Gofundme. Isn't that against their policies? Can they report this person for animal abuse on Gofundme? His Go fund me page is 'Chicago Dread Head Cowboy'

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        #63
        My limited experience of knowing a barefoot horse who did get road founder from cantering on pavement, and what we in the barn learned as a result ...

        We were told that the horses who work on pavement are specially shod. In addition to whatever conditioning they get.

        And we were told that cantering a horse on pavement, especially without shoes, runs a significant risk of injuring the feet, with road founder, cracked or broken coffin bones, and whatever else can go wrong with the lower legs and feet. Even for a short distance this is a risk.
        (And very dangerous with shoes as the shoes slide on the pavement.)

        Aside from her physical condition over the rest of her body, there is a good chance that the mare's feet are destroyed. They are saying that she can't stand for long and that could be a reason why. I hope they have xray'd her feet. Although if the feet are done for, I would think they would have euthanized by now. There is pretty much zero hope of giving relief to a horse with significant damage in all 4 feet.

        I wish the vets would be explicit about all facets of the mare's condition. It could serve as a warning for people who have horses and/or ride horses but know little about them. And that is a lot of backyard horse owners, I'm sorry to say.

        If anyone does know anyone who does drive or ride on pavement on a regular basis, it would be interesting to hear what they know.

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          #64
          If anyone has had a horse with injured feet from a single training or competing session on hard ground, I would think that's comparable. I do recall a broken coffin bone in the barn from such a session (not my horse).

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            #65
            Originally posted by Beck View Post
            His lawyer said saddle sores are "common" on horses. 😳. Polite words fail.
            .........
            I hope that animal welfare services does an investigation on the lawyer's horses, and the whole barn if they are boarded. Saddle sores may be common on *his* horses and the horses of people he knows.

            Once upon a time, very long ago, I recall that saddle sores were more expected and accepted, even if people tried to mitigate them. The saddles and pads were not what they are now. We had vaseline-type potions and special bandage covers for them, as the air stings a sore like that. But these days it does not have to be like that.

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              #66
              Originally posted by OverandOnward View Post
              My limited experience of knowing a barefoot horse who did get road founder from cantering on pavement, and what we in the barn learned as a result ...

              We were told that the horses who work on pavement are specially shod. In addition to whatever conditioning they get.

              Does anyone know what preventative measures we should take for horses who occasionally walk on pavement? My barn is in an urban area, and many of our trails have multiple road crossings — and/or there can be stretches of multiple blocks to reach larger parks and trail systems. I've never ridden to the latter because I'm worried about pavement impacts, but it would be nice to know if there are ways to help keep horses sound and comfortable when they have some roadway walking. (Obviously I'd never trot or canter, and if I'm riding someone spooky I'm not going to stick them next to moving vehicles anyway!)

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                #67
                Originally posted by ToughShet View Post

                Does anyone know what preventative measures we should take for horses who occasionally walk on pavement? My barn is in an urban area, and many of our trails have multiple road crossings — and/or there can be stretches of multiple blocks to reach larger parks and trail systems. I've never ridden to the latter because I'm worried about pavement impacts, but it would be nice to know if there are ways to help keep horses sound and comfortable when they have some roadway walking. (Obviously I'd never trot or canter, and if I'm riding someone spooky I'm not going to stick them next to moving vehicles anyway!)
                AFIK walking on pavement is not a problem except if it's slippery. Years ago I was rehabbing a torn suspensory on my event horse, and after the inflammation went down and he was walking well, I was told that walking on pavement would help it firm up. I followed the advice, walking him around an adjacent subdivision, and it not only healed in record time but we were competing a few weeks later. He stayed sound until he passed many years later.
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                  #68
                  Originally posted by Nezzy View Post
                  A friend of mine works in animal welfare in Chicago. He showed me some sad photos of the horse laying down after being rescued. It is not looking good for the horse. The Jerk has already made over 86Kon Gofundme. Isn't that against their policies? Can they report this person for animal abuse on Gofundme? His Go fund me page is 'Chicago Dread Head Cowboy'
                  The Gofundme was set up months ago, so I'm not sure what the policy would be for a transgression after the fact.

                  This whole situation sucks. I lived in Chicago for years and am strongly pro-disruption when it comes to protecting Black lives.It is difficult to remain polite and law-abiding when you're still fighting the same fights that you've been for generations while members of your community are being killed in their beds, in their homes, in their cars, in their yards, freaking everywhere the rest of us can go safely, without consequence, over and over again. *AND* this incredibly kind, completely unaware horse never had to be involved, and certainly not in the manner she was. Breaks my heart for her. I agree that he should at minimum not be allowed to own horses without significant restorative justice work and a demonstrated track record of better care.

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by downen View Post

                    AFIK walking on pavement is not a problem except if it's slippery. Years ago I was rehabbing a torn suspensory on my event horse, and after the inflammation went down and he was walking well, I was told that walking on pavement would help it firm up. I followed the advice, walking him around an adjacent subdivision, and it not only healed in record time but we were competing a few weeks later. He stayed sound until he passed many years later.
                    That's fascinating, thanks! We live in the PNW, so the slippery issue is real. Lots of arena days only in my neck of the not-so-woods.

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                      #70
                      Did anyone really think he was "galloping?" I thought it was a slow canter. I don't recall the news video I saw showing any other gait until he was off. I said I hope the horse has rubber shoes on as I watched. I can't believe she didn't slip.
                      That's fine, many of us have slid down this slippery slope and became very happy (and broke) doing it. We may not have a retirement, but we have memories ...

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                        #71
                        Originally posted by OTTBs View Post
                        Did anyone really think he was "galloping?" I thought it was a slow canter. I don't recall the news video I saw showing any other gait until he was off. I said I hope the horse has rubber shoes on as I watched. I can't believe she didn't slip.
                        Looked like a gallop to me. The horse was really stretched out and moving.

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                          #72
                          Originally posted by Nezzy View Post

                          Looked like a gallop to me. The horse was really stretched out and moving.
                          The only clip I watched was in the first post, and not all of it, but at that point the horse wasn't anywhere near a gallop. Poor mare looked done at that point. Maybe she had a bit more energy earlier into the ride. I hope they throw the book at him successfully!
                          ~~Some days are a total waste of makeup.~~

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                            #73
                            Why would it matter if the horse was breezing, galloping, cantering ... ? It was an aged horse being forced to do more than it was able to do. That is all that matters.

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                              #74
                              Originally posted by OTTBs View Post
                              Did anyone really think he was "galloping?" I thought it was a slow canter. I don't recall the news video I saw showing any other gait until he was off. I said I hope the horse has rubber shoes on as I watched. I can't believe she didn't slip.
                              He whipped the horse for faltering.

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                                #75
                                I hope someone yells at him the next time he is blatantly not listening and keeps saying kids lives matters, that horses lives matter as well.
                                It is better to ride 5 minutes a day than it is to ride 35 minutes on a Sunday.

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                                  #76
                                  The Go Fund Me is still active and people are actively donating. You can report the fundraiser towards the bottom of the page.

                                  https://www.gofundme.com/f/dreadhead

                                  If he cared at all about his horse, he could have pulled up sooner, invested in hoof boots and proper tack, and not whipped his horse every time it tried to slow down. It really is a tragedy because that horse was a saint for not spooking or bucking him off.

                                  "In June, Hollingsworth posted a video to Facebook saying he would ride his horse until it dies, prosecutors said."

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                                    #77
                                    Originally posted by OverandOnward View Post
                                    Why would it matter if the horse was breezing, galloping, cantering ... ? It was an aged horse being forced to do more than it was able to do. That is all that matters.
                                    Because we are horse people and we know the difference.
                                    That's fine, many of us have slid down this slippery slope and became very happy (and broke) doing it. We may not have a retirement, but we have memories ...

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                                      #78
                                      Originally posted by OTTBs View Post
                                      Did anyone really think he was "galloping?" I thought it was a slow canter. I don't recall the news video I saw showing any other gait until he was off. I said I hope the horse has rubber shoes on as I watched. I can't believe she didn't slip.
                                      I watched it being livestreamed, and yes, at the beginning he was in a gallop, not a track gallop, but a gallop. I'm guessing that's why the mare eventually broke down so badly.
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                                        #79
                                        Just a reminder, please report that Go Fund Me page! He does not deserve any more horses!

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                                          #80
                                          Originally posted by 4horses View Post
                                          Just a reminder, please report that Go Fund Me page! He does not deserve any more horses!
                                          I reported it, bu idk if they will remove it or not. I am not sure their policy. It would help if more people report it as well.

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