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Neck gaiters may be worse than no mask at all - new study Duke U.

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    Originally posted by hillary again View Post
    Every show photo now makes me think, "Are dark-colored chokers back in style?". Yes, if you showed in the 70s, or earlier, you know what I'm talking about. I have to laugh when I catch myself!
    I had a green velvet choker in the late 70s or early 80s.


      Originally posted by Redlei44 View Post
      The Washington Post has a new article up regarding the lightweight stretchy gaiters preferred by many athletes. I will post the link in a separate post so it doesn’t hang this one up. The rough summary is that they think that the poor performance of the gaiters may be caused by the relatively porous fabric breaking up bigger particles into smaller ones which hang around longer.
      So the original article (or first article I read regarding the study before the Washington Post picked this up) did NOT say that the poor performance of neck gaiters was related to being thin (that was the bandanas). Additionally, it does not sound like they tested lightweight, stretchy gaiters. It references "neck fleece" gaiters. Now I love polar fleece, but who the heck is wearing fleece in August in NC?! It DID say that the "neck fleece" broke the droplets up into smaller particles. I found all this information here:

      A few days later the researchers came out and said that the intent of the study was not to rate the effectiveness of face coverings, but how a study like this *could* be done (at least that was my understanding). The researcher quoted in the first article says here: "Not all ... neck gaiters are bad. There are plenty good ones out there," Fischer said. "It depends so much on the material, on how many layers you wear." I found this information here:

      Now I have not read the actual study (not my expertise) however, my take away is that the best face covering is one that fits snugly over your nose and mouth AND is made of a "durable" material.

      For reference, WRAL is a local news station in the Triangle area of NC which encompasses Duke University.


        I'm very disappointed by how The Washington Post presented the information from the preliminary study. Here's another useful breakdown of its problems, from a nonpartisan website that summarizes peer-reviewed research in layperson's terms.
        Check out the latest Fortune's Fool novel, Courage to the Sticking Place!


          I travel a lot for work and have made a habit of checking what flight attendants and pilots do. I got
          these nifty straps that connect the ear loops of my mask behind my neck. Takes all pressure off of my ears and allows for custom adjustment of tension. Also allows me to let my mask hang around my neck if I'm eatiing/drinking --but then put it back up by only touching the straps.

          As for the gaiters:. Haven't reviewed the actual study, but Sorry to say, if the mask feels super comfortable and doesn't feel like you're breathing your own breath, them it's not likely to be effective.
          We're all going to have to get comfortable with being uncomfortable.


            Using the original data from a study that was floating around in March, which said "tea towel" was the best material, I've made a neck gaitor out of tea toweling* that I use for riding. It's not tight like the polyester gaitors -- it's a loose tube of toweling with an elastic at the top of the tube (One of mine also has a metal nose strip for shaping). I pull it up when in the barn, and pull it down when riding. It's long enough that it isn't "open" at the bottom but instead lies against my shirt.

            Another benefit is, since it's cotton, I can wet it and use it when I ride as a cooling device. I wet it just before I get on, put it around my neck, and the evaporation cools me the whole ride. Generally, it's dry when I need to mask up again to untack.

            It also serves as a mechanical sunblock around my neck.

            *Since tea-towel is not defined, I used the close woven type that is often sold as a souvenir -- made of linen (old type) or cotton. I did not use the terry cloth type of towel.


              Originally posted by HungarianHippo View Post
              I got these nifty straps that connect the ear loops of my mask behind my neck.
              Do you have a link or name of these nifty devices you got?


                They don’t work to contain droplets and those that wear them can spread the virus. However people on here are saying they will continue to wear them?!?

                I guess this virus will be around a lot longer than we hoped.

                Do your part and wear a real mask!


                  Originally posted by Mango20 View Post

                  I had a green velvet choker in the late 70s or early 80s.
                  I won a class in 1977 under <gasp> GHM with a green velvet choker and matching helmet 😜
                  "You can't really debate with someone who has a prescient invisible friend"


                    Originally posted by trubandloki View Post

                    Do you have a link or name of these nifty devices you got?
                    I loop elastic bands through each side of the ear pieces and connect them with a paper clip - add more elastics if you need it bigger.
                    No pressure at all on the ears.


                      Originally posted by trubandloki View Post

                      Do you have a link or name of these nifty devices you got?
                      Sorry, thought I had embedded a link, must've lost it. Here's the kind I'm using

                      If you google "ear savers mask" you'll see a million variants. I like these b/c they're soft fabric (so I don't notice them even when sleeping with one on, for trans-ocean flight) and they're adjustible.


                        Originally posted by foggythistle View Post
                        If you have a mask with loops that go over the ears, a simple addition of a string from earloop to earloop will allow you to hang said mask around your neck without losing it.

                        Kinda like those chains you can add to glasses so you don't lose them.
                        right but wearing mask around the neck is really not a good idea - this is one of the reasons why Fauci et al initially said wearing masks wasn't a good idea. -while you have your face mask over your nose and mouth, your neck is exposed, meaning any droplets containing the virus could land on your neck. If you then pull your mask down below your chin, the inside of the mask will be contaminated, meaning that when you pull it back over your nose and mouth, you’ll be vulnerable to any bacteria, germs and viruses on your neck.