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    #21
    They don't pinch the horse under the flap of an Iberian mono flap saddle.

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      #22
      I think that putting them under the flap (actually between the flaps) stabilizes your leg more. The buckle on the bottom eliminates a lump in your upper inner thigh. The stirrups I pefer are these: https://www.statelinetack.com/item/c...QaAnUpEALw_wcB . They are pre turned safety stirrups.

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        #23
        I learned something new tonight. I have literally never seen this done with the exception of some weird, old trail saddle years ago.

        I would think the stirrup leathers could get hung up on the billets and girth when repositioning your leg?
        Don't fall for a girl who fell for a horse just to be number two in her world... ~EFO

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          #24
          Originally posted by Texarkana View Post
          I learned something new tonight. I have literally never seen this done with the exception of some weird, old trail saddle years ago.

          I would think the stirrup leathers could get hung up on the billets and girth when repositioning your leg?
          I have not heard this or encountered this. Are you talking about a saddle with a long girth? I've only used this set up on saddles with short dressage style girths.




          On a general note:

          I also tested around a bit and my stirrup leather seems to slide off the bar just as easily on the Iberian under the flap stirrup leather saddle and my "normal" monoflap stirrup over the flap dressage saddle. The former saddle is literally made to have the stirrup under the flap, there is no other possible option. Many saddles (see working equitation) are made this way and popular. I wouldn't think so many would be made, used, and sold if they were so terrible and dysfunctional to ride in. I get that it looks different, but that doesn't mean it's wrong or bad.

          They do also make safely stirrups in a wide variety now if you are really concerned (it is a valid concern!) about getting hung up.

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            #25
            Originally posted by Gretasmom View Post
            I love them under the flap. Plus, for the most comfort, I use "S" shaped safety irons that are turned at the top so you leg is not torqued, and you place the buckle of the leather just above the stirrup, not at the stirrup bar.
            And what, rubber band the tail?

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              #26
              Sounds uncomfortable and weird-looking. There are a few safety concern, also. Why is the "aesthetics" of the leathers relevant? They are where they should be. I'm someone who figures if something has been hanging around forever and no one is doing it, there must be a good reason. There are a few saddles with the leathers under the flap, but you don't see them often and no one seems to be breaking down the doors to find one.

              The bars on many saddles are placed to reduce bulk under your leg when the leathers are attached. If you push the leathers under the flap aren't you increasing bulk when you force them back through the hole? You have 3 layers of the leather including the excess, which has to go somewhere. If you have a wad of leather under your thigh, it's probably the way the saddle was built. If the buckle is just above the stirrup, isn't that an aesthetic issue?

              Are the hinged closures on the bars currently built into new saddles, or are they only found in older saddles? I thought it was the latter, and that it was viewed as a safety issue.

              How much room is there between the bottom of the flap and the stirrup with your foot in it? What kind of safety stirrups are you using? Some are better than others. Have you ever had an unanticipated dismount? When HS 4-way stirrups were the only hinged stirrups on the market they were considered the best safety stirrup. I originally purchased them to help with the pain in my knees and hips. They are excellent for both.

              What about friction? You have the underside of the top flap and the top side of the underneath flap rubbing against the leathers. How does that affect your ability to make little changes at, ahead of, or behind the girth, for example? What does it do for the wear on the saddle?

              What about wear on the leathers? What type of leathers are you using? Nylon-lined? What about the twist when your foot is in the stirrup? Doesn't that add to the bulk?

              Stabilizing your leg with the stirrups under the flap? Don't you want your legs to move so you are giving your horse appropriate aids? Pinching with knees or thighs - BTDT - isn't' good for the horse's motion. If he spooks at anything - BTDT - you pop off like a clothespin on a wad of laundry on the clothesline behind your (or your grandmother's) house. The clothespin goes flying and the laundry lands in a lump on the ground. BTDT.
              "With hardly any other living being can a human connect as closely over so many years as a rider can with her horse." Isabell Werth, Four Legs Move My Soul. 2019

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                #27
                I will try to help with some of these questions. See the inserted purple text.

                Originally posted by walktrot View Post
                Sounds uncomfortable and weird-looking.

                Totally! I mean, open your mind a bit. It is different looking, and honestly I've seen people do weirder things with horses than put stirrups under saddle flaps. And no, it is not uncomfortable.

                There are a few safety concern, also. Why is the "aesthetics" of the leathers relevant? They are where they should be. I'm someone who figures if something has been hanging around forever and no one is doing it, there must be a good reason. There are a few saddles with the leathers under the flap, but you don't see them often and no one seems to be breaking down the doors to find one.

                I, personally, don't care about aesthetics of the leathers. They are where they should be. As in under or over the flap, totally depends on the design of the saddle.

                Putting stirrups under the flaps has been around for quite some time (again, see Iberian ridres, Vaquero, etc.) and PLENTY of people are doing it. Maybe not in your corner of the planet, but trust me, many are doing it. So that is a weak statement. They are not in top demand, but there is still demand. No one has to be "breaking down doors to find one" but as I said, there is demand. There is a fairly local manufacturer of Baroque and dressage style saddles in the area, and they have a good base of customers I'd say. Enough to stay in business and do quite well.


                The bars on many saddles are placed to reduce bulk under your leg when the leathers are attached. If you push the leathers under the flap aren't you increasing bulk when you force them back through the hole? You have 3 layers of the leather including the excess, which has to go somewhere. If you have a wad of leather under your thigh, it's probably the way the saddle was built. If the buckle is just above the stirrup, isn't that an aesthetic issue?

                I can't quite visualize this. I'm not sure about pushing the leaters back through the hole? There is no wad of leather under your thigh. Especially if you use stirrup leathers such as Bates Webbers. Some people also prefer function over aesthetics. I can understand that.

                Are the hinged closures on the bars currently built into new saddles, or are they only found in older saddles? I thought it was the latter, and that it was viewed as a safety issue.

                Yes, there is still a hinge on the bars that you can close or leave open. Or there are some without hinge.

                How much room is there between the bottom of the flap and the stirrup with your foot in it? What kind of safety stirrups are you using? Some are better than others. Have you ever had an unanticipated dismount? When HS 4-way stirrups were the only hinged stirrups on the market they were considered the best safety stirrup. I originally purchased them to help with the pain in my knees and hips. They are excellent for both.

                Depends on your flap and leg length. There are many safety stirrups out there now, I am not going to make a list, but they are proven functional and break away when force is applied. I think we've all had an unanticipated dismount at one time or another

                What about friction? You have the underside of the top flap and the top side of the underneath flap rubbing against the leathers. How does that affect your ability to make little changes at, ahead of, or behind the girth, for example? What does it do for the wear on the saddle?

                I have not encountered friction issues personally. Sometimes there is only a half flap on the bottom (monoflap, kind of) or a full flap. Little changfes are no issue, look at working equitation, those horses are doing flying changes and all sorts of manuevers that require fine aids and a quick response. I haven't experienced anything about wear on the saddle. These saddles are used with short/dressage girths, typically.

                What about wear on the leathers? What type of leathers are you using? Nylon-lined? What about the twist when your foot is in the stirrup? Doesn't that add to the bulk?

                No abnormal wear on the leathers. Bates Webbers are good for this set up. There is no twist since I use Acavallo Opera stirrups. There are others (Sprenger) with an adjustable top piece too. So no bulk added.

                Stabilizing your leg with the stirrups under the flap? Don't you want your legs to move so you are giving your horse appropriate aids? Pinching with knees or thighs - BTDT - isn't' good for the horse's motion. If he spooks at anything - BTDT - you pop off like a clothespin on a wad of laundry on the clothesline behind your (or your grandmother's) house. The clothespin goes flying and the laundry lands in a lump on the ground. BTDT.

                No comment re stabilizing as I haven't experienced more or less stability. Your legs can still move just fine. No pinching. Again, quick movements are no problem when ridden correctly as with any saddle.
                Just because it is different or not so common, does not mean it is wrong or inferior. It works for some horses, people, and diciplines. If it doesn't work for you, for whatever reason(s), that's fine too. It really isn't so complicated.

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                  #28
                  I honestly didn't feel any difference when I did this, I think maybe I switched up some point when I wanted to shorten my dressage stirrups and they didn't quite work with the leathers under. I must have been doing it to move the buckles lower down but then I got leather stirrup leather
                  sleeves that do the same job.

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                    #29
                    I took your "other" option because I do both: my jump and dressage saddles are set up with leathers on top of the flap. My endurance/trail saddle has the leathers under the flap.
                    Patience pays.

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by Scribbler View Post
                      Occurs to me that would make the saddle very comfy to ride in in shorts in summer.
                      Sure does! When I worked at a trail barn, and guides were riding several hours a day in summer, we did this (guest horses were all Western and long pants were required, but they were only riding for an hour).

                      I wouldn't ride with them like that normally, but it sure made those hot summer days more bearable!

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