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    #21
    Originally posted by JustTheTicket View Post

    For me, it boils down to everyone feels entitled to live their lives the way they’re used to, and heaven forbid they have to change things up for a bit.
    "Entitled"? How arrogant of you to say I feel "entitled". No just trying to find some normalcy amid this... and recognizing that for some of us, the future is uncertain. "Heaven forbid" I have to change things up? How arrogant of you to try and put that on me, or anyone who decides to show. Or, for that matter, doesnt your comment extend to anyone who decides to do ANYTHING except stay in their house? And isnt that a bit ridiculous? You train for marathons - is anyone else on the road near you? Do you go to the grocery or buy gas for your car?

    I practice social distancing. I wear a mask. I rarely go to town, and limit my stops to the bare minimum. I have eaten in an OUTDOOR restaurant ONE TIME since this whole thing began. I HAVE changed things up.



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      #22
      Originally posted by Where'sMyWhite View Post

      Out of curiosity, how was it 'proven' that horse shows are a low risk activity?
      .
      Italian study shows: risk of spreading COVID-19 while riding almost non-existing


      https://equnews.com/corona/italian-s...t-non-existing

      I thought I saw a list of activities ranked and horseback riding outside was very low risk, but I can't seem to find that now. It was a few months ago

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        #23
        Originally posted by JustTheTicket View Post

        For me, it boils down to everyone feels entitled to live their lives the way they’re used to, and heaven forbid they have to change things up for a bit.
        Its not about being entitled. Its proven that riding horses outside is one of the lower risk activities. Getting uppity about this is really getting old. We are all adults and can read what the CDC is saying, and each county has a different experience/spread. Clearly if you are in a hot spot then you would do things much differently and not show.
        Each barn. showground, and trailering setup is quite unique. I can really control what I touch and how I interact with others at a horse show. I have a different set of tack/grooming equipment for my trainer to use.

        so we don't really need lectures, thanks.

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          #24
          Originally posted by TheMoo View Post
          I don’t think asking why 2020 isn’t a wash as “drama.” Covid-19 cases are still rising, some states are rolling back their openings, people are NOT doing the right thing (Someone posted they went to NY from Florida and didn’t quarantine.) and some horse shows do require interstate travel.

          Drama is saying “it’s hard to breathe in the heat with a mask on and having to run or walk.”
          These threads aren’t about understanding a different viewpoint. They are about complaining why everyone isn’t doing exactly what you are doing, and it’s childish and stupid. OP knows why people are still showing.
          I am so darn tired of the complainers. On BOTH sides of the mask/social distancing issue. One side complaining that they have to wear a piece of cloth, how that must violate their rights, and why can’t they go to Disney world yet. The other side complaining how not every single human is doing exactly what they are and never leaving their house and eating canned green beans because that’s all they have left since they haven’t gone to the store in a month.
          just ridiculous. You do you people. You do you. Don't worry about all the others, you ain’t gonna change them.
          Last edited by TooManyBays; Jul. 8, 2020, 05:54 PM.

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            #25
            Originally posted by NewYork_Marx View Post

            Italian study shows: risk of spreading COVID-19 while riding almost non-existing


            https://equnews.com/corona/italian-s...t-non-existing

            I thought I saw a list of activities ranked and horseback riding outside was very low risk, but I can't seem to find that now. It was a few months ago
            That is riding. Not showing. Showing brings other issues into the equation: travel, bathrooms, stabling, show stewards, eating out, and just the general social atmosphere that people may fall back into (even if they "know" better).
            Freeing worms from cans everywhere!

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              #26
              These threads aren’t about understanding a different viewpoint. They are about complaining why everyone isn’t doing exactly what you are doing, and it’s childish and stupid. OP knows why people are still showing.
              I am so darn tired of the complainers. On BOTH sides of the mask/social distancing issue. One side complaining that they have to wear a piece of cloth, how that must violate their rights, and why can’t they go to Disney world yet. The other side complaining how not every single human is doing exactly what they are and never leaving their house and eating canned green beans because that’s all they have left since they haven’t gone to the store in a month.
              just ridiculous. You do you people. You do you. Don't worry about all the others, you ain’t gonna change them.

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                #27
                Originally posted by CHT View Post

                That is riding. Not showing. Showing brings other issues into the equation: travel, bathrooms, stabling, show stewards, eating out, and just the general social atmosphere that people may fall back into (even if they "know" better).
                So what?

                I can work, I can golf, I can go to the beach, I can play other sports, I can eat in a restaurant.

                Why the focus on horse shows?

                Children are going to go back to school as normal in August but I'm not supposed to go to a horse show?

                People are taking vacations all over the country, but I can't horse show?

                People are camping at state parks, boating, hiking.

                If things change and those activities get shut down so be it. I'll stay home again. But until then it's getting a little old focusing on horse shows and none of those other things.

                http://weanieeventer.blogspot.com/

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by enjoytheride View Post

                  So what?

                  I can work, I can golf, I can go to the beach, I can play other sports, I can eat in a restaurant.

                  Why the focus on horse shows?

                  Children are going to go back to school as normal in August but I'm not supposed to go to a horse show?

                  People are taking vacations all over the country, but I can't horse show?

                  People are camping at state parks, boating, hiking.

                  If things change and those activities get shut down so be it. I'll stay home again. But until then it's getting a little old focusing on horse shows and none of those other things.
                  Wait, what? People are taking vacations all over the country? I had no idea. In Canada travel is really restricted between provinces. I had no idea it wasn't the same in the US.

                  My point was just that riding does not equal showing. There are additional considerations when it comes to shows, such as typical gathering points (which can be addressed - and EC's rules do a good job of it), more people in the arena, and travel...so that study supports riding, but should not be used to infer showing is fine.

                  I had no idea that in the US, travel between states was back to normal. Very different here.
                  Freeing worms from cans everywhere!

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by CHT View Post

                    Wait, what? People are taking vacations all over the country? I had no idea. In Canada travel is really restricted between provinces. I had no idea it wasn't the same in the US.

                    My point was just that riding does not equal showing. There are additional considerations when it comes to shows, such as typical gathering points (which can be addressed - and EC's rules do a good job of it), more people in the arena, and travel...so that study supports riding, but should not be used to infer showing is fine.

                    I had no idea that in the US, travel between states was back to normal. Very different here.
                    Travel has never been restricted between states. Why many people did not go on vacation or travel during the initial outbreak, and lots of vacations got cancelled, people are now.
                    Things are mostly back to normal as of the middle of June. I don't have an issue with people who feel it's better to stay at home or not horse show. But there are lots of other activities that are allowed and I don't see the difference.
                    http://weanieeventer.blogspot.com/

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                      #30
                      I can see people wanting to show, but I can't imagine wanting to volunteer to run the shows.

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                        #31
                        Originally posted by enjoytheride View Post

                        Travel has never been restricted between states. Why many people did not go on vacation or travel during the initial outbreak, and lots of vacations got cancelled, people are now.
                        Things are mostly back to normal as of the middle of June. I don't have an issue with people who feel it's better to stay at home or not horse show. But there are lots of other activities that are allowed and I don't see the difference.
                        There have definitely been restrictions on travel between states. Delaware locked itself down and cops were preventing people with out of state tags from shopping at stores in DE. This was March/April. Restrictions have been lifted for the most part but some states still have restrictions, including NY restricting travellers from certain states that have an increase in COVID cases.

                        Depending on the state you live in, restriction is a complex matter. My brother lives in MD and works in DE - he lives about 30 min from the office. You cannot restrict him from going into the office since he is an essential worker. The best/most local children's hospital for Cecil County, MD is in DE. Adults and children are often transported from the hospital in my town to the one in DE because it is bigger/has better and more advanced tech. Beaches were closed, then closed to out of state and now open with restrictions.

                        That being said, we can't sit in our houses forever - life must go on. So allowing horse shows, camping, other events, with restrictions is a way to start getting back to normal. One show I usually go to is restricting number of "guests" and not allowing late entries. Another show is just paring down their max participants. Another venue that is on public land just got clearance to start allowing events at the end of June. It's all going to be different depending in state/area/whether the venue is on public or private land. Whether or not you participate is up to your personal risk adversion.

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                          #32
                          Originally posted by CHT View Post

                          Wait, what? People are taking vacations all over the country? I had no idea. In Canada travel is really restricted between provinces. I had no idea it wasn't the same in the US.

                          My point was just that riding does not equal showing. There are additional considerations when it comes to shows, such as typical gathering points (which can be addressed - and EC's rules do a good job of it), more people in the arena, and travel...so that study supports riding, but should not be used to infer showing is fine.

                          I had no idea that in the US, travel between states was back to normal. Very different here.
                          My trainer and a couple barnmates are at Angelstone right now. They said it's eerily quiet, doesn't really feel like a horseshow.
                          To get onto the showgrounds you have to be on the list as a competitor or essential like trainers and grooms. You get your temperature checked as well.
                          Masks are required unless you're on a horse or in your barn area. Each barn has their own portapotty.
                          Limits to the number of horses in the rings. Staff/volunteers are making sure people aren't congregating or hanging out at the rings.
                          Bring your own food, or order online from the vendor at the show for takeout. All entries are done online.
                          Braiding is penalized to prevent braiders from being on the property, going between barns, etc.

                          I chose not to go. Financially and from a competition/training standpoint it didn't make sense for my horses and I. For those that did go, it's been perfect. Like a high end schooling show. Not as much pressure, lots of benefits. Trainer moved his young jumper up to the 1.35m, she's never shown above 1.20m. They're trying to decide if they keep her or sell her. Two juniors went with new horses. One AA with a young horse who had never shown before.

                          Our barn is hosting two "Derby weekends". One hunter, one jumper. All entries online. No ribbons, just prize money. Everyone gets a time slot, ship in - show - go home. There will never be more than 10 people at the ring/trailers/schooling at one time. Masks required unless on a horse. No braiding.
                          It's un-rated, but they're following EC rules and guidelines.

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                            #33
                            Originally posted by Ajierene View Post

                            There have definitely been restrictions on travel between states.
                            There have been announcements about travel and travel restrictions but I do not know of any state that even tried to close its borders to people from other states.

                            Originally posted by Ajierene View Post

                            Delaware locked itself down and cops were preventing people with out of state tags from shopping at stores in DE.
                            So this sounds like you can come to Delware, you are just not allowed to shop there. Two very different things.

                            Originally posted by Ajierene View Post

                            Restrictions have been lifted for the most part but some states still have restrictions, including NY restricting travellers from certain states that have an increase in COVID cases.
                            The way I understand the NY restrictions (I happen to live in NY) is that if you come to NY from one of the ever changing places on the list you are required to self quarantine for 14 days. Not that NY has people sitting at the state borders telling people they can not come in.

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                              #34
                              Originally posted by trubandloki View Post
                              There have been announcements about travel and travel restrictions but I do not know of any state that even tried to close its borders to people from other states.


                              So this sounds like you can come to Delware, you are just not allowed to shop there. Two very different things.


                              The way I understand the NY restrictions (I happen to live in NY) is that if you come to NY from one of the ever changing places on the list you are required to self quarantine for 14 days. Not that NY has people sitting at the state borders telling people they can not come in.
                              Yes, you could trave through Delaware or mosey around DE but not stop and get out. That is a restriction and YES, people from neighboring states were attempting to shop in DE in late Mar/Apr/May and being denied. That is a travel restriction - if you are sent back to your car to come back from whence you came, then you are being restricted. New York's self quarantine stand is also restricting travel as I cannot hop on up to NYC (as I like to do) and hang out for the day. I'm not doing much with work so hopping on the train or driving up to NYC would be nice. That is a restriction. (technically, I can go hang out in NYC all I want, as long as I don't get caught as someone coming in from out of state and not self-quarantining).

                              I know someone who was supposed to go from CA to MA for work in the beginning of June but couldn't go as traveling would mean 2 week self-quarantine and doing that for a 4 day work trip was not worth "company budget".

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                                #35
                                Originally posted by suzyq View Post
                                I can see people wanting to show, but I can't imagine wanting to volunteer to run the shows.
                                Guess I'm crazy then - I have volunteered at two shows so far under CoVid restrictions. Can't say I found it too different to previous "Normal" shows but I was doing Stadium Warm-Up and basically you're on your own at a board & calling out to riders to get them into the ring (it was marginally different to previous in that the two jobs of Warm-Up & In Gate were combined to reduce numbers - actually seemed to work better!).
                                I happen to have got to know a lot of Professionals since I moved to Central Florida and appreciate that they need to get their Sale or Owners' horses some competitions and that the sport will die if venues don't have some revenue, which they can only get from holding competitions. I can also sympathize with riders who themselves aren't getting any younger or with older horses that will lose an irreplaceable year of competition.
                                Brock
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                                  #36
                                  Originally posted by suzyq View Post
                                  but I can't imagine wanting to volunteer to run the shows.
                                  well, these days All those people just have a ready set excuse when asked to Help at a show. Back in the 1990s we relied almost 100% on the same people to work the shows, not because they wanted to or demanded the position but because everyone else was "too busy" or "was concerned they would not know what to do" or some other excuse.... so, Cov19 sounds pretty good.

                                  As for the sports demise, I worked with Ralston Purina in the very early 1990s as a board member of an exploratory committee looking into just where the horse industry was headed. The conclusion pretty much was the result that we have.... that is why Ralston Purina sold off the Purina Feeds horse feed division they saw the industry in a downward spiral, which has continued.

                                  Take a look at the Active Member count on this board.... which is now headed toward going under 3,000. There was a time in the not so distant past where the count averaged closer to five thousand then an extended period of around 4500... before the continued spiraling downward (well the collapse of the web base sure wasn't a help, but those that have gone are not returning).

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                                    #37
                                    I don't understand how the police have all this time to drive around to retail parking lots and remove people with out of state plates. Or to say that someone can't stop for gas or food when driving through. I think this is more what people have heard and not what is actually happening.

                                    I also think that a mandatory two week self quarantine is ridiculous. How are we making sure people are doing this? We aren't.

                                    My state had a non essential travel ban. Which meant nothing except to the people who were already staying home.

                                    It's like mandating masks. Our local police will not enforce this. Period. It's up to a retail business to take the brunt to remove customers.

                                    States with hot spots should be mandating masks and restricting things like horse shows. But elsewhere I think a case by case basis is necessary.
                                    http://weanieeventer.blogspot.com/

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                                      #38
                                      Originally posted by enjoytheride View Post
                                      I don't understand how the police have all this time to drive around to retail parking lots and remove people with out of state plates. Or to say that someone can't stop for gas or food when driving through. I think this is more what people have heard and not what is actually happening.

                                      I also think that a mandatory two week self quarantine is ridiculous. How are we making sure people are doing this? We aren't.

                                      My state had a non essential travel ban. Which meant nothing except to the people who were already staying home.

                                      It's like mandating masks. Our local police will not enforce this. Period. It's up to a retail business to take the brunt to remove customers.

                                      States with hot spots should be mandating masks and restricting things like horse shows. But elsewhere I think a case by case basis is necessary.
                                      Ehh. As much as I'd like my state (Maryland) to lock down its southern border, I know it won't happen. But even if mandates and travel bans and self quarantine restrictions only stop 10 percent of people that's better than none. And I think it's stopping a higher percentage than that. Not high enough, but higher.

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                                        #39
                                        Originally posted by enjoytheride View Post
                                        I don't understand how the police have all this time to drive around to retail parking lots and remove people with out of state plates. Or to say that someone can't stop for gas or food when driving through. I think this is more what people have heard and not what is actually happening.

                                        I also think that a mandatory two week self quarantine is ridiculous. How are we making sure people are doing this? We aren't.

                                        My state had a non essential travel ban. Which meant nothing except to the people who were already staying home.

                                        It's like mandating masks. Our local police will not enforce this. Period. It's up to a retail business to take the brunt to remove customers.

                                        States with hot spots should be mandating masks and restricting things like horse shows. But elsewhere I think a case by case basis is necessary.
                                        When CA was shut down they were turning people away at the border. At least in SoCal. New Mexico is turning people from AZ away. Some states are and have restricted travel.

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                                          #40
                                          Originally posted by enjoytheride View Post
                                          I don't understand how the police have all this time to drive around to retail parking lots and remove people with out of state plates. Or to say that someone can't stop for gas or food when driving through. I think this is more what people have heard and not what is actually happening.

                                          I also think that a mandatory two week self quarantine is ridiculous. How are we making sure people are doing this? We aren't.

                                          My state had a non essential travel ban. Which meant nothing except to the people who were already staying home.

                                          It's like mandating masks. Our local police will not enforce this. Period. It's up to a retail business to take the brunt to remove customers.

                                          States with hot spots should be mandating masks and restricting things like horse shows. But elsewhere I think a case by case basis is necessary.
                                          Two Americans were fined for not following Canada's quarantine rules. https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...ules-1.5011388
                                          I think the attitude of "it's too difficult to enforce" is a very dangerous one.

                                          Masks have been mandated in much of Ontario now. Each public health unit/region makes the decision for their area. We're doing it and we've only had 7 new cases in the last week, and no deaths. It's a simple request.

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