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    (apology for loooong sentence)
    Help me understand why there is so much interest by Non-Pros/people whose livelihood is not tied to competition, in having shows of any discipline start before the pandemic is under control.

    A friend who used to compete Reiner's was telling me how Buckskin World show is requiring competitors to remain in assigned stabling when not actually competing or return to hotels. No camping onsite allowed. No spectators, only minors can have anyone not competing accompany them.
    Gee, that sounds like fun... NOT!

    Another friend who attends the Draft shows relayed the same info re: local circuit shows that have not been cancelled.
    In this case I sort of understand, as the people showing the large hitches - 6s & 8s - have invested quite a lot of $$ & depend on YE paybacks to recoup.

    And I do feel badly for Juniors who will age out by next year.
    But I'd expect associations to consider this & offer some sort of adjustment.

    But for the larger population of amateurs, why is it not logical to consider 2020 a throwaway year & regroup for 2021?
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    #2
    I was wondering this myself in light of all the reasons it’s too hard to wear a mask. I had no clue so many people had breathing issues.

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      #3
      Originally posted by TheMoo View Post
      I was wondering this myself in light of all the reasons it’s too hard to wear a mask. I had no clue so many people had breathing issues.
      ^^^^ This

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        #4
        I will put it this way...How old are you? How old is your horse? Maybe there is no "next year" for a lot of people. Even if there is a next year, it's not going to be the same as this year - people/horses are ready now to show at whatever level/class they are showing in. Associations are changing their requirements but not eliminating them (so juniors will age out, they just may need only 4 scores instead of 8 to go to Championships). If they feel the show is being run with the right safety measures, they may feel it's worth the risk.

        At the dressage show I went to watch (not show) this weekend, everyone was socially distancing and wearing masks when talking to ring stewards or those outside their regular circle (barnmates). There were only a limited number of people allowed on the grounds and stabling was spaced out. I didn't feel unsafe.

        Everyone has their own motivations for being with horses. For some amateurs, showing is the end-all-be-all. For others, training is, and for others, just having fun is. As long as everyone takes proper precautions to not infect others, showing is an option if someone wants to.

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          #5
          How about - because showing your horse is your relaxation and hobby and you are looking for something that brings your world back to some sort of normalcy.

          (Disclaimer - I am not showing, had not big plans to show. And I wear my mask.)

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            #6
            I am very cautious with COVID, haven't been to a store in months. but I feel very comfortable with outside horse shows. It depends on what state and location you are talking about, but It's proven to be a low risk activity. Also, I will choose what grounds I go to carefully.

            You can't impose what you feel is "safe and good" on the rest of us, when there has been evidence saying things can safely open. I will follow the CDC for my decisions, not someone on the internet.

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              #7
              Originally posted by NewYork_Marx View Post
              It depends on what state and location you are talking about, but It's proven to be a low risk activity.
              Out of curiosity, how was it 'proven' that horse shows are a low risk activity?

              I suspect that attending or competing at a show would, at least for me, depend on the show... venue, organization, number of competitors, my opinion of the ability of the organizers to manage any safety or other social distancing protocols.

              I see so many outdoor activities where people seem to not care about what guidelines are in place.

              Yes, I do go grocery shopping but pretty much any other outdoor activities, just not doing them.
              Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of earth, And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings; John Gilliespie Magee, Jr

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                #8
                The answer will be different for everyone. I don't show for the social aspect, I show because I enjoy seeing how our training is progressing.
                Pre-pandemic my 2020 plans were to attend 5-6 shows with my 11yo gelding, competing in the A/O hunters. Then to attend the Cup qualifiers and final (limited to Canadian bred 3yo sporthorses) with our 3 yo mare.
                Plans now are to attend 1-2 shows with the gelding, at facilities that are easy to physical distance and have protocols in place, The 3yo likely won't show this year which is really a bummer, had she placed well it would have increased her value along with the value of future foals.

                Would I show in a hotspot? Or at a venue where I know other competitors may be coming from a hotspot? No.
                But it isn't that hard for me to do entries online, physical distance, wear a mask, and wash hands frequently. I work in healthcare, I understand the risks.
                Equestrian Canada and our provincial association have done a good job. Our Canadian and provincial leaders and public health authorities have done a good job.

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                  #9
                  The requirements of Buckskin World show wouldn't bother me as I generally show by myself, and keep mostly to myself at shows. I imagine you have to qualify to get to a show like that so I would want to take advantage of that because who knows if I will qualify next year.

                  I enjoy showing and consider it a part of training. I will go to less shows this year but will still go to the venues that seem to be handling everything well. My plans for this year may need adjusting but I still want to see how I measure up against other people.i

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                    #10
                    2020 is becoming a throwaway year for me, but I would still like to go to a show if the conditions were right. That would be: one day, haul in, ride, leave. It is possible with the schooling show series around here and the one-day Arabian value shows. I am taking my time with my new horse and new dressage instructor, but it would be nice to get a test or two under our belts.

                    Being outside - or even in an indoor show arena - has proven to be much less of a risk than going to church or any other indoor setting with recirculated air. Add that people at rated shows have to wear a mask (even if some don't), and I think the risk is pretty darn low.

                    Plus I agree with the person above who said they just like showing. I won't take an unnecessary risk, but I just can't see it with horse showing. You won't find me in our local hole in the wall pizza place having a sit down dinner, but going to WEC seems entirely OK.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by trubandloki View Post
                      How about - because showing your horse is your relaxation and hobby and you are looking for something that brings your world back to some sort of normalcy.

                      (Disclaimer - I am not showing, had not big plans to show. And I wear my mask.)
                      But horse showing, for non-pros, is a luxury. They don’t need to be there to earn a living, and lets face it, things aren’t normal. It doesn’t seem to me like it would be relaxing to go to a show and have all these new strict regulations to follow. What’s wrong with just enjoying your horse at home?

                      To take it out of the horse world for a minute- I like to run marathons. I spent most of the winter training for a spring marathon that got cancelled. I started to train for a fall marathon that also got cancelled. It sucks, sure, but the social distancing would have ruined the fun of it, and guess what? There’s next year. It would have been nice to get back to “normal” but the world is different now and no one needs horse shows or marathons to live.

                      For me, it boils down to everyone feels entitled to live their lives the way they’re used to, and heaven forbid they have to change things up for a bit.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by JustTheTicket View Post

                        But horse showing, for non-pros, is a luxury. They don’t need to be there to earn a living, and lets face it, things aren’t normal. It doesn’t seem to me like it would be relaxing to go to a show and have all these new strict regulations to follow. What’s wrong with just enjoying your horse at home?
                        Not me, but there are people who find horse showing to be relaxing. Just because it is not relaxing for you or me, does not mean it is not for them.
                        I was just giving an example of why someone might want to horse show, which was the question.

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                          #13
                          I guess I've never really gone to shows for the social aspect. My horses live at home. I generally haul them myself. I go to the usually local show (mostly dressage/eventing at the moment, but I've done local h/j too) by myself, walk courses if necessary, ride my tests, and go home. If I need to get home to feed I sometimes leave $5 and get my ribbons mailed. I often am only at the show for two hours tops and don't really interact with anyone anyway. I could obviously give it up and it's definitely a luxury, but I think it's relatively low risk and to be honest I do feel like I need some outlet to avoid being depressed. I live alone, I accept that I can't really date or travel or go to the movies or restaurants or shop or even see my friends up close for the next year or more. But I don't think I can spend it completely alone and without any goals and survive. I honestly think it might be easier to go to war than stay at home and watch Netflix.

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                            #14
                            Everything else is open. Retail stores that remained open did double digit increases in sales by bored shoppers daily. I think people that stayed home and ordered everything online really don't know how busy things actually stayed.

                            Parks are open.

                            Camping is open.

                            People are doing gymnastics, going to gyms, and playing baseball.

                            School is back in session as normal in August.

                            Why single horse shows out?

                            If you don't feel comfortable then don't do those things. If you don't like horse shows anyway, then don't horse show.

                            If the government considers those things a bad idea, then the government should shut them down again.

                            Why should I have to stay home if I'm comfortable with the rules at the horse show and horse shows are allowed to operate? I'm healthy, I wear a mask, I practice social distancing.

                            And really, the only horse shows that I've seen masks at are the USEF ones. I competed in a horse trial right next to a western show and not a single one of them had masks on.
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                              #15
                              I have young horses That need miles. Started in Florida and need to keep going for their development. I am trying to go to other farms for schooling and will try ship in shows. Mine are not great at standing on the trailer, however, so that may end up being more stressful than an away show. Time will tell.

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                                #16
                                Originally posted by JustTheTicket View Post

                                But horse showing, for non-pros, is a luxury. They don’t need to be there to earn a living, and lets face it, things aren’t normal. It doesn’t seem to me like it would be relaxing to go to a show and have all these new strict regulations to follow. What’s wrong with just enjoying your horse at home?

                                To take it out of the horse world for a minute- I like to run marathons. I spent most of the winter training for a spring marathon that got cancelled. I started to train for a fall marathon that also got cancelled. It sucks, sure, but the social distancing would have ruined the fun of it, and guess what? There’s next year. It would have been nice to get back to “normal” but the world is different now and no one needs horse shows or marathons to live.

                                For me, it boils down to everyone feels entitled to live their lives the way they’re used to, and heaven forbid they have to change things up for a bit.
                                A lot of things could be seen as a luxury, but are still happening. Hiking, camping, shopping in malls, going to the park, going out to eat, sports, gyms, public swimming pools, haircuts, etc. If people want to show, let them. Why start drama for no reason?

                                - Some ammys still need to show for monetary reasons. Hard to sell horses with no show miles
                                - some are supporting their trainers who need the income
                                - some just enjoy showing and like being able to get out in an area that is relatively low risk compared to highly trafficked public areas like parks or pools
                                - some already got COVID and aren’t too worried about catching a virus again

                                I’m showing. I’m having fun. Compared to walking through the grocery store I’m sure it’s a much lower risk activity.

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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by TooManyBays View Post

                                  A lot of things could be seen as a luxury, but are still happening. Hiking, camping, shopping in malls, going to the park, going out to eat, sports, gyms, public swimming pools, haircuts, etc. If people want to show, let them. Why start drama for no reason?

                                  - Some ammys still need to show for monetary reasons. Hard to sell horses with no show miles
                                  - some are supporting their trainers who need the income
                                  - some just enjoy showing and like being able to get out in an area that is relatively low risk compared to highly trafficked public areas like parks or pools
                                  - some already got COVID and aren’t too worried about catching a virus again

                                  I’m showing. I’m having fun. Compared to walking through the grocery store I’m sure it’s a much lower risk activity.
                                  I started drama by sharing my opinion?

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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by JustTheTicket View Post

                                    I started drama by sharing my opinion?
                                    Sorry, the drama part was more at OP, not at you. This is like the 60000th post I’ve seen in the last few weeks about how shows should do this, or that, or how dare anyone show at all.

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                                      #19
                                      I don’t think asking why 2020 isn’t a wash as “drama.” Covid-19 cases are still rising, some states are rolling back their openings, people are NOT doing the right thing (Someone posted they went to NY from Florida and didn’t quarantine.) and some horse shows do require interstate travel.

                                      Drama is saying “it’s hard to breathe in the heat with a mask on and having to run or walk.”

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                                        #20
                                        Why am I showing? I'm 67 next week. I have no idea how much longer I will be able to show. I JUST moved up to PSG last year - and Regionals are LITERALLY 2 miles from my house for the first time ever this year. I have a plan to work towards my Gold over the next few years then move to the western area of Colorado (where dressage is really limited.... almost everything is on the east slope.)

                                        So my answer as to why I show? Goals. And I feel it is safe .... masks, social distancing, open air situation.

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