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  • #21
    I also use the Dover Safe T cross ties with Velcro. Have been in my barn for 22 years and are great. They come apart when they need to but hold just fine. I have had ranch horses who had never been cross tied and they do fine. We first attach one cross tie then loop the lead role loosely through the other cross tie ring until they get used to it. One thing that gets me is when people attach the halter to the quick release snap. If a horse is struggling I want to be next to the wall and release it, then there is a kind of lead you can catch the horse with, instead of trying to get close to a scrambling horse's halter to undo the safety release. Of course, not a real issue with the Velcro cross ties, but still. I have hay string loops in the trailer and on the tie rings on the outside of the trailer. If a horse really struggles while tied it can really screw up their neck and back.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by going gray View Post
      I absolutely love my Safe T cross ties. (Bought from Dover) The halter snaps are attached with Velcro to the nylon cord and pull apart very easily when a horse gets upset and pulls back. You can make the tie shorter or longer just by adjusting the Velcro sections. I won’t use another type. I use a shorter version in my horse trailer too. They are not expensive and last a long time.

      When either of my horses has gotten startled and pulled back with these attached to their halter, the Velcro pulls apart and makes a ripping sound. That sound gets their attention big time and stops them from moving off.

      I just reattach the Velcro sections and go back to working on the horse. No big deal at all! (Oh, you don’t get clobbered with a safety snap flying into your face either. The snap stays attached to the halter.)

      I’ve seen horses get seriously alarmed and then fight crossties that don’t give. Not a fun sight and potentially dangerous for horse and owner. Had a friend many years ago who had a lovey Tb that went up while on crossties in an old barn. Mare hit her head on an overhead board and came down. She was dead. It was so sad. Truly recommend these ties. Love Velcro.
      I was wondering why no one else was mentioning the Velcro ties. The barn I board at has them, and I love them so much that I bought two of them for the trailer. Horse pulls back, Velcro comes undone, that's it. You just Velcro the pieces back together. The trailer ties were maybe $20/each, worth every penny.

      https://www.doversaddlery.com/tie-sa...69799299198109

      Here's the one I have in case anyone else is interested.

      https://www.doversaddlery.com/tie-sa...07419005458904

      Cross ties in the same brand.

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      • #23
        Originally posted by SuzieQNutter View Post
        So horses are being taken out of a stable to be put in crossties in an aisle?
        Our barn is built so that there are stalls on each side of the aisle, with saddle racks etc. on the walls. So horses are taken from their stall or paddock and put in cross ties to be groomed / tacked up. Some people leave them here with no supervision - a pet peeve of mine.

        Growing up riding in France we didn't use cross ties. We tacked up in the stalls, or we tied the horses in the aisle just like you describe.
        Ottbs - The finish line is only the beginning!

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        • #24
          Originally posted by SuzieQNutter View Post

          I am an English rider.

          I have done dressage, show jumping and eventing, and I didn't know about them until I joined this forum, and it is mentioned in what seems like more than half of threads.
          And you still live in Australia while the vast majority of forum members live in America. Cross ties are more common than not in American English discipline barns. Open fronted grooming "stalls" such as you described often have cross ties rather than a barrier like your chain.

          It is simply a different method of management. Due to winter weather in much of North America dedicated grooming stalls are an extreme luxury not present in most barns.

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          • #25
            I looked on the internet and found these pictures.
            Horses can be cross tied any place, in their stall, the aisle, a wash or grooming area, inside, outside.
            Ideally horses would be taught to tie any one way.
            Each situation where we tie a horse is best to use whatever method will work best for that horse and place.

            Seems that a riding club in Melbourne, AU uses cross ties, first picture.
            Two other pictures are just horses cross tied, so those not familiar with that can see what is being talked about:

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              #26
              I prefer to straight tie or groundtie, which my horse does both pretty well. But he's 4 years old. So like in the washrack, there is only crossties and nowhere to straight tie. I can usually hold him but it would really help to have him tied a bit at times.

              Those Velcro things look amazing and just what I need!! Thank you guys.
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              • #27
                Originally posted by Bluey View Post
                I looked on the internet and found these pictures.
                Horses can be cross tied any place, in their stall, the aisle, a wash or grooming area, inside, outside.
                Ideally horses would be taught to tie any one way.
                Each situation where we tie a horse is best to use whatever method will work best for that horse and place.

                Seems that a riding club in Melbourne, AU uses cross ties, first picture.
                Two other pictures are just horses cross tied, so those not familiar with that can see what is being talked about:
                Thank you so much Bluey. In the 2nd picture our saddle racks are attached to the wall. When you have finished with it they then fold down parallel with the wall, so they are out of the way.

                The stalls are like the first photo except their is 2 wooden rails between each horse and the 2 chains at the front with no cross ties.

                The 3rd picture looks like an accident waiting to happen. There is no way to get a horse out without affecting the horses in front of it. That looks dangerous to me and something I would never do.
                It is better to ride 5 minutes a day than it is to ride 35 minutes on a Sunday.

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                • #28
                  In the 3rd photo, what are the horses standing on? It looks like each has their own Persian rug!
                  It is better to ride 5 minutes a day than it is to ride 35 minutes on a Sunday.

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                  • #29
                    I have 2 sets of the Velcro crossties. They're awesome. In my other grooming spot I have regular nylon ties but they're attached with twine and a plastic safety release loop. Extra carefulcareful. My horse has x-rays to prove that pulling back on a fixed tie causes long term damage.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by SuzieQNutter View Post
                      In the 3rd photo, what are the horses standing on? It looks like each has their own Persian rug!
                      Those are outside rugs used there like others may use mats.
                      Those look like ponies.

                      Yes, when you need to take a horse out at a show and several horses are cross tied there, you have to hope everyone behaves and nothing happens, like a horse trying to bite one going by.

                      Everyone knows to watch for that, not that safe, why many trainers like to block a whole set of stalls for only their horses.

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                      • #31
                        Originally posted by Goforward View Post
                        I have 2 sets of the Velcro crossties. They're awesome. In my other grooming spot I have regular nylon ties but they're attached with twine and a plastic safety release loop. Extra carefulcareful. My horse has x-rays to prove that pulling back on a fixed tie causes long term damage.
                        I expect those that a loose horse ran into their horse also have x-rays of the damage they suffered.

                        There are many ways horses get hurt.

                        I would say, insuring our horses don't get loose to get hurt or hurt others would be also an important consideration.

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                        • #32
                          Originally posted by Bluey View Post

                          Those are outside rugs used there like others may use mats.
                          Those look like ponies.

                          Yes, when you need to take a horse out at a show and several horses are cross tied there, you have to hope everyone behaves and nothing happens, like a horse trying to bite one going by.

                          Everyone knows to watch for that, not that safe, why many trainers like to block a whole set of stalls for only their horses.
                          Argh so you are going past horses you don't even know. There is no way I would put myself in that position.

                          I would rather hold my horse all day, outside.

                          I have left him tied to twine to my float with no problems.
                          It is better to ride 5 minutes a day than it is to ride 35 minutes on a Sunday.

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                          • #33
                            Originally posted by SuzieQNutter View Post

                            Argh so you are going past horses you don't even know. There is no way I would put myself in that position.

                            I would rather hold my horse all day, outside.

                            I have left him tied to twine to my float with no problems.
                            Most people move their horse when someone wants thru.
                            Still some people are not very nice and if busy just ignore you and you have to either barge thru or yell a little louder for them to move over.

                            Bigger horse shows with many horses are a mad house of horses and people all going every which way, not for the faint hearted.

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                            • #34
                              I’ve seen waaay too many freak accidents on cross-ties to not have some sort of breakaway.

                              Like my dead broke, solid citizen horse who I would 100% trust with 90 year old grandmas. Unbeknownst to me, he was losing his vision in his left eye. Completely uncharacteristically, he panicked on the cross-ties when I was putting his saddle pad on and flew backwards, broke loose, and crashed into the horse behind him. We’re talking about a horse who had gone through professional desensitizing training with a police squad at one point in his life, but the early stages of losing his vision put him over the edge.

                              Or the been there, done that children’s hunter I took care of for years. I never saw that horse do anything wrong in all my time with him. Yet he went out on lease, flipped over on the cross-ties, and broke his neck. He didn’t come home.

                              Or the sales horse in my care when I was a teenager who I was told was a solid citizen... but the owner left out the tiny detail that he was freakishly girth/cold-backed to the point of dangerousness. When I did up the girth the first time, he flew backwards and writhed on the ground like a fish on the line when the cross-tie failed to yield. I lost a saddle tree and a sales commission, as the horse was unsound after that and went home to recover. What an awful life lesson that was.

                              I understand the argument that you don’t want a horse to get loose or to learn they can break their tie. BUT, it doesn’t have to be one or the other when using a breakaway. You can both school your horse to respect being tied and also use breakaways on your cross-ties. In all my years, I can count on my fingers the number of times one of the hundreds of horses in my care has snapped a breakaway. It’s not something that happens frequently. But I’m sure glad when a breakaway gives and a disaster is avoided.
                              Don't fall for a girl who fell for a horse just to be number two in her world... ~EFO

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                              • #35
                                I don't worry if my horses get away. They are trained to come when I call. I never tie solid.
                                It is better to ride 5 minutes a day than it is to ride 35 minutes on a Sunday.

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                                • #36
                                  Originally posted by SuzieQNutter View Post
                                  I don't worry if my horses get away. They are trained to come when I call. I never tie solid.
                                  I don't think Bluey was referring to the annoyance of having to re-catch the horses, they are talking about the damage that can be caused in those first moments of panic when a large flight animal takes off. The ability to come when called isn't going to stop a panicked horse from potentially running over a person or another horse in those first few seconds.

                                  I don't think there is a single answer to tying solid or not, it's somewhat up to personal risk decisions and circumstances of the horse potentially getting hurt versus possibly hurting others.

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                                  • #37
                                    Originally posted by ghst13 View Post

                                    I don't think Bluey was referring to the annoyance of having to re-catch the horses, they are talking about the damage that can be caused in those first moments of panic when a large flight animal takes off. The ability to come when called isn't going to stop a panicked horse from potentially running over a person or another horse in those first few seconds.

                                    I don't think there is a single answer to tying solid or not, it's somewhat up to personal risk decisions and circumstances of the horse potentially getting hurt versus possibly hurting others.
                                    And one of the reasons I would never enter an aisle like in photo 3.
                                    It is better to ride 5 minutes a day than it is to ride 35 minutes on a Sunday.

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                                      #38
                                      Texarkana I'm so sorry for all those horrible accidents. That's definitely what I envision. Especially with the crossties wrapped so high up on the rafters.

                                      I just keep envisioning a horrible accident. My horse is 4 years old so even more plausible still. But as you pointed out, can happen to any horse.

                                      I know the barn would think I was pretty silly to bring it up. They think there are two types of horses-those you can tie and those that constantly pull back. But horses aren't nearly that predictable.

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                                      • #39
                                        I won't use fixed cross ties either, not even with my current older horses. They all can spook and I'd rather have a fuse (hay string or whatever) break than the horse. Modern hay string will break, just had it happen last winter when my well behaved cob got scared by a cast horse down the aisle - he pulled back and pop pop went the strings (that I had added to the cross ties when I moved in). Same barn had fixed cross ties in the wash rack and I refused to use them - I would bring little loops of hay string to put between the cross tie and his halter, that was part of my wash kit with sponge and scraper!

                                        I've had the velcro ties before and they worked mostly ok, but I did have a warmblood that was too smart for anyone's good and he figured them out. He would reach over with his mouth and grab the tie and give it a yank to release the velcro. If he just did one, he'd stick around, looking like "see what I did?" but if he got both off, he'd take off down the aisle. He tested every new tie to see if it would release the same way but the hay string fuses held up.

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