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    Baby horses come out of mares, and are by stallions. I keep reading where people write that this one or that one is *out of* a stallion. What hole did it come out of?
    "She is not fragile like a flower. She is fragile like a bomb."

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    Drives me ***NUTS**** too! Dog breeders are even worse - they NEVER get it! Sort of like "stud" colt --- what else would it be - a "stud" FILLY? Or "colt starting"???? REALLY - what about fillies/mares? AND confOrmation not confIrmation!

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    • #3
      Stud colt, wouldn’t that be a not-gelded young male horse.
      Really depends on the regional definition of “colt” and long they are called colt.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by TKR View Post
        Drives me ***NUTS**** too! Dog breeders are even worse - they NEVER get it! Sort of like "stud" colt --- what else would it be - a "stud" FILLY? Or "colt starting"???? REALLY - what about fillies/mares?

        This is more of a western thing - a stud colt would be a young male that still has his bits, a colt would be anything under usually 4. A colt starter is a trainer that breaks or starts horses.

        These are terms that have been used for a very long time.

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        • #5
          Drive me nuts too.

          Related pet peeve: So and so is an "own son" of such and such stallion.
          Here Be Dragons: My blog about venturing beyond the lower levels as a dressage amateur.

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          • #6
            Drives me CRAZY and I think shows sheer ignorance •
            Zu Zu Bailey " IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE ! "

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            • #7
              I understand some variations in terminology and mistakes (such as whether all young horses are "colts"). But it really surprises me to see the mistakes with "out of" and "by"! It actually makes logical sense that a foal is "out of" a mare. Unlike so many horse terms which just need to be remembered.

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              • #8
                Bread/bred, Thorobred/Thoroughbred, philly/filly....those kill me.

                The high percentages also freak me out a little. "This horse 55% of Super Awesome Famous Stallion (who is long dead)".

                I think it would be better if they were just honest about it in their ads. For example:

                "Our horses are more inbred than a slow running, banjo playing, backwoods redneck's little sister".

                What they are really doing is horrifically concentrating the same small portion of genetics over and over again in hopes of lightning striking twice. What they get actually do get is a new genetic disorder to perpetuate in the breed.

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                  #9
                  And technically, a stud is a breeding facility. A "stud horse" is a stallion standing at a breeding facility.
                  "She is not fragile like a flower. She is fragile like a bomb."

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                  • #10
                    It's a really quick and easy method of evaluating the level of operational horsemanship of someone you have just met.
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                    • #11
                      Does the Western world use the phrases:
                      Nursing, weanling,yearling, long yearling, young horse (under 4 yo), the same way English and The Racing world do?
                      Example: in Arab breed shows there was a class for under 4 year olds. I assume they do that recognizing they aren’t quite fully “adult” level.

                      I don’t think people are ignorant or stupid. It’s a different discipline and different region.
                      My yard is made of grass and earth. But your earth in Georgia is correctly called “clay” and is orange colored. Both are correct given their local conditions.

                      ETA
                      Someone had a signature or blog that stated their horse was “OUT of a trailer”, and “BY:the side of the road” to define their just purchased, unknown parentage horse..

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                      • #12
                        To one up all of that (which I think we can all agree is mostly/only found in the western world), my ex called anything that didn't w/t/c like a stock horse "gaited." Arabian with all that fancy high knee/hock action? Gaited. Saddlebred? Gaited (though while I can understand the confusion but if the rider is posting =/= gaited). One of the biggest fights we ever had was me pulling up videos and pointing out the horse was, in fact, not gaited, and him saying he would still call it gaited, and me calling him willfully ignorant Unless it was going around like a "regular" horse, then to him it was and would be "gaited." He learned more "broad" information about horses and husbandry (ie don't give a horse that lives on just pasture a "scoop" of grain to "replace calories" after you go on a trail ride once a month, grains (ie wet COB) aren't "heating feeds" to give when there's a cold snap in the winter, ulcers are a thing, etc) in our seven years together than his previous 35. He's a nice guy but ho boy...

                        Sorry, more of a vent
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by TKR View Post
                          Drives me ***NUTS**** too! Dog breeders are even worse - they NEVER get it! Sort of like "stud" colt --- what else would it be - a "stud" FILLY? Or "colt starting"???? REALLY - what about fillies/mares? AND confOrmation not confIrmation!
                          I think a lot of people( and I do it too), call all male horses under 2 colts.
                          I know it is not correct but when you say gelding people assume it is an older horse, so saying stud colt makes a distinction.
                          It does drive all my breeder friends nuts also!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by SillyHorse View Post
                            Baby horses come out of mares, and are by stallions. I keep reading where people write that this one or that one is *out of* a stallion. What hole did it come out of?
                            Not to be critical of you, but--- it isn't "a baby horse" it is a foal.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by SillyHorse View Post
                              What hole did it come out of?
                              Thank you for the laugh!!
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                                Originally posted by candyappy View Post

                                Not to be critical of you, but--- it isn't "a baby horse" it is a foal.
                                You're right, of course. I was just being silly.
                                "She is not fragile like a flower. She is fragile like a bomb."

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                                • #17
                                  To me it is foal, then colt or filly.

                                  Calling everything a colt seem silly. I dont think anyone calls all calves, bulls.
                                  It is better to ride 5 minutes a day than it is to ride 35 minutes on a Sunday.

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                                  • #18
                                    Add me to the list of the out of vrs by thing drives me crazy. It's so literal- how is it hard to understand? Filly colt is another one that makes me want to whack the person saying it.
                                    Wouldst thou like the taste of butter ? A pretty dress? Wouldst thou like to live deliciously?

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by tabula rashah View Post
                                      Add me to the list of the out of vrs by thing drives me crazy. It's so literal- how is it hard to understand? Filly colt is another one that makes me want to whack the person saying it.
                                      At this point I'd ask the person if the horse was a filly but identified as a colt.

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                                        Originally posted by 16 Hands View Post

                                        At this point I'd ask the person if the horse was a filly but identified as a colt.
                                        "She is not fragile like a flower. She is fragile like a bomb."

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