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  • #21
    They aren’t really as opposed to it as they do not have the storage space, staff or time to customize feeds for boarders. Because if you do it, everybody else will want toads well despite BO/BM having decades of experience evaluating multiple horses condition and dietary needs. Feeding more then one or two feeds might, look easy but try setting up a feed cart for more then a handful of horses with different feeds. It doesn’t even look easy if you watch it from setting up the feed cart to dumping the last bucket and if you time it then multiply that time by two, you can see it easily adds significant time to their chores.

    Far as turn out, less time in good pasture trumps more time on overgrazed weeds.

    You will be much happier knowing he is safe, sound and well supervised and minor wounds and boo boos tended to. Instead having to go check him daily for fear he’s not being properly cared for, possibly taking time off to do so.
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    • #22
      Studies did show if you turn a horse out where it can graze lush pastures, they will graze and rest and graze and rest.
      If you turn them in the same pastures a short time, horses will eat during that time.

      In the end, they graze the same time, just stand around more if given more time than they normally graze.

      So, if your horse gets sufficient time moving around while grazing, that he spends then more of his normal standing around time in that pasture or a stall should not matter.

      Horses like to stand in their stalls better anyway, just as some like it outside more.
      Some like the peace of their own space, others like it better in the open.

      Horses, like humans, are very adaptable to their circumstances.
      Some people like it in cities and working in offices and stores and schools, etc.
      Some people like it in rural areas and working outside better, say, farming or in construction and such.

      As long as your horse adapts to however you manage his life, the rest of the world really don't has much to say about it.
      Listen to your horse.

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      • #23
        Originally posted by findeight View Post
        Far as turn out, less time in good pasture trumps more time on overgrazed weeds.

        Originally posted by Bluey View Post
        Studies did show if you turn a horse out where it can graze lush pastures, they will graze and rest and graze and rest.
        If you turn them in the same pastures a short time, horses will eat during that time.

        In the end, they graze the same time, just stand around more if given more time than they normally graze.

        So, if your horse gets sufficient time moving around while grazing, that he spends then more of his normal standing around time in that pasture or a stall should not matter.

        ​​​​​I completely disagree. For my horses, past present and future, the first purpose of having a lot of turn out is movement, not food. Horses are not built to stand in small boxes day in and day out. Personally, I will always, always, always prefer that my horses are out 24/7, even if it's on a dirt lot where they get zero grass, and they're fed enough hay and grain to be healthy. I have none cares if the turn out is lush grass or not.

        Someone did a study a few years ago that showed horses need a minimum of 18 hours per day of turnout, i.e. freedom of movement not grazing, for optimal physical and mental well-being. Also, a horse choosing to alternate between standing and moving all day is not the same as being forced to stand in a stall for 12+ hours. Sure, maybe the total amount of standing time in a 24-hour period is the same, but 12 hours standing all at once instead of broken up by walks throughout the day, that's a huge difference.
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        • #24
          Originally posted by mmeqcenter View Post





          ​​​​​I completely disagree. For my horses, past present and future, the first purpose of having a lot of turn out is movement, not food. Horses are not built to stand in small boxes day in and day out. Personally, I will always, always, always prefer that my horses are out 24/7, even if it's on a dirt lot where they get zero grass, and they're fed enough hay and grain to be healthy. I have none cares if the turn out is lush grass or not.

          Someone did a study a few years ago that showed horses need a minimum of 18 hours per day of turnout, i.e. freedom of movement not grazing, for optimal physical and mental well-being. Also, a horse choosing to alternate between standing and moving all day is not the same as being forced to stand in a stall for 12+ hours. Sure, maybe the total amount of standing time in a 24-hour period is the same, but 12 hours standing all at once instead of broken up by walks throughout the day, that's a huge difference.
          What we know is that horses, like humans, are very adaptable to many circumstances.

          Thousands of school horses kept in tie stalls all their adult lives and doing fine there shows us that with the right management of exercise, that they are turned out on their own to stand there or in a stall to stand there, horses do fine.

          Now, that horse out to pasture without any task directed exercise, just ridden on weekends at a run, that is the other side of that coin.
          You want a riding horse, you have to provide whatever management that will demand.
          A pasture ornament may look fine out there, but would not be a suitable horse to ask to do much physical work under saddle.

          We need to keep our minds open to the fact that there is more to how we manage our horses than one and only "perfect" way.

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          • #25
            Originally posted by Bluey View Post

            What we know is that horses, like humans, are very adaptable to many circumstances.

            Thousands of school horses kept in tie stalls all their adult lives and doing fine there shows us that with the right management of exercise, that they are turned out on their own to stand there or in a stall to stand there, horses do fine.

            Now, that horse out to pasture without any task directed exercise, just ridden on weekends at a run, that is the other side of that coin.
            You want a riding horse, you have to provide whatever management that will demand.
            A pasture ornament may look fine out there, but would not be a suitable horse to ask to do much physical work under saddle.

            We need to keep our minds open to the fact that there is more to how we manage our horses than one and only "perfect" way.
            Are you saying that, for horses that are ridden, being stalled (and/or being stalled a lot) is a requirement? Because it's not.
            I ride my mare 5-6 days per week and show her dressage. She is out 24/7. I had a 1.20m jumper in on consignment last year who I kept out 22/7 and rode him 5 days per week. Stalling is in no way a requirement for a horse to be ridden.

            Riding one or two days a week and riding the snot out of that horse in that one or two rides is not suitable, regardless to the amount of turnout.

            Of course there's more than one way to manage horses. Doesn't change the fact that their bodies and minds typically fare best when they're able to move around as much as possible.

            Sure, my old gelding was always fine no matter how much turnout he did or didn't get. Doesn't mean that turnout wasn't still the best thing for him, especially physically. My mare is an absolute nightmare when stalled long term, even when ridden 5-6 days per week. Many horses may not show a huge sign that they're not adapting well, mentally, to being locked up for 20 hours, like my mare who goes psycho, but a lot of them show subtle ones. Cribbing, weaving, lip flapping, development of stomach ulcers.
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            • #26
              Originally posted by mmeqcenter View Post

              Are you saying that, for horses that are ridden, being stalled (and/or being stalled a lot) is a requirement? Because it's not.
              I ride my mare 5-6 days per week and show her dressage. She is out 24/7. I had a 1.20m jumper in on consignment last year who I kept out 22/7 and rode him 5 days per week. Stalling is in no way a requirement for a horse to be ridden.

              Riding one or two days a week and riding the snot out of that horse in that one or two rides is not suitable, regardless to the amount of turnout.

              Of course there's more than one way to manage horses. Doesn't change the fact that their bodies and minds typically fare best when they're able to move around as much as possible.

              Sure, my old gelding was always fine no matter how much turnout he did or didn't get. Doesn't mean that turnout wasn't still the best thing for him, especially physically. My mare is an absolute nightmare when stalled long term, even when ridden 5-6 days per week. Many horses may not show a huge sign that they're not adapting well, mentally, to being locked up for 20 hours, like my mare who goes psycho, but a lot of them show subtle ones. Cribbing, weaving, lip flapping, development of stomach ulcers.
              Nope, missed my point.
              Just saying, don't be so sure any one management is the best, the only, the perfect one.

              After decades around all kinds of horses in all kinds of management systems, that finally sunk in.
              Looking back, so much we thought we know better and made sense then, maybe it was not quite so.

              As for stable vices, while some horses develop all kinds of bad habits, most do not, if we look around carefully we may notice that.
              Lets not let confirmation bias blind us by only seeing what we want to so firmly believe.

              Is how we learn.
              Just one more opinion.

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              • #27
                Eh. My horse loves his turn out, like LOVES his turn out. He likes to run and roll and graze and is just better off moving around more. He's an anxious variety.

                That being said, when it's summer and 90+ with the blazing hot sun and a dew point in the 70's, my horse likes to go out for a bit in the AM and then I think he'd be just fine with standing in his nice shady stall with a fan and some hay. In the hot hot summer, when he and his late buddy lived at my house, I'd often find them in the shed all afternoon, making a mess. Avoiding the sun and bugs.

                I would have zero qualms about a barn that did just morning turnout in the summer.

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by findeight View Post
                  They aren’t really as opposed to it as they do not have the storage space, staff or time to customize feeds for boarders. Because if you do it, everybody else will want toads well despite BO/BM having decades of experience evaluating multiple horses condition and dietary needs. Feeding more then one or two feeds might, look easy but try setting up a feed cart for more then a handful of horses with different feeds. It doesn’t even look easy if you watch it from setting up the feed cart to dumping the last bucket and if you time it then multiply that time by two, you can see it easily adds significant time to their chores.

                  Far as turn out, less time in good pasture trumps more time on overgrazed weeds.

                  You will be much happier knowing he is safe, sound and well supervised and minor wounds and boo boos tended to. Instead having to go check him daily for fear he’s not being properly cared for, possibly taking time off to do so.
                  Thank you for your input! I’ve made the decision to move him to barn 1.

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                  • #29
                    Barn 1 does sound nice! Let us know how the move goes!

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by WildLittleWren View Post
                      Barn 1 does sound nice! Let us know how the move goes!
                      Will do. I’m moving him Saturday ( bar travel restrictions). It’s a fairly local move so hope to be ok

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