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Farewell happy place - Ontario riding facilities must close

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  • #81
    Funny how thew latest from EC was so very very careful to say that we are obligated to follow the law - that anything else is merely a strong suggestion. If it's legal, you can do it.
    No matter where you go, there you are

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    • #82
      I can't believe they are still putting the limit at over 50 for gatherings! That is way wrong! The point is to isolate yourself whenever possible at all!

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      • #83
        Originally posted by GoodTimes View Post
        At this point it isn't so much about transmission at the barn, but
        a) If someone gets hurt and needs an ambulance or hospital they are contributing to overwhelming the healthcare system for a recreational activity
        b) If someone gets hurt, the insurance will likely be null and void since it was made clear that riding facilities fall under the mandate.

        My barn is still allowing boarders to come out to do blanket changes, and grain their horses (for those that need it and are out 24/7). I told them I would be out late evenings until something changes.
        One of mine tends to drop some weight in the spring, he gets tired of hay, but there isn't enough grass this time of year to sustain him.
        We're not under any advisory or orders to close so far in my state. But the issue of accidents did cross my mind this morning after reading last night that this season's Bachelor apparently tested positive. Probable exposure from a trip to the ER for a jellyfish sting. My child who is the serious rider has had allergy-induced asthma issues as a toddler. No incidents in the last 7-8 years but I'm not keen on her taking any ER trips for things that could reasonably be prevented.

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          #84
          Originally posted by Beck View Post
          Funny how thew latest from EC was so very very careful to say that we are obligated to follow the law - that anything else is merely a strong suggestion. If it's legal, you can do it.
          Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should. If you NEED to be there, do it, but otherwise it’s so frustratinf to see so many people in our industry trying to find ways to avoid self-isolating.

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          • #85
            Originally posted by Beck View Post
            Funny how thew latest from EC was so very very careful to say that we are obligated to follow the law - that anything else is merely a strong suggestion. If it's legal, you can do it.
            Yes, but the law says barns are recreational facilities, and the law says those must be closed to non-essential personnel or face a $500K fine.

            I wish people wouldn't constantly look for loopholes that allow them to shrug off their social responsibility (not aimed at you Beck, just in general).

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            • #86
              It is so irresponsible of some of these horse owners who continue to think they are above the law, and continue to flaunt the social rules that most of us are trying to follow, and in many cases, it is to protect some of them! The older horse owner (many at one barn that I frequent, and most are women!!) We are continuing to edge closer and closer to complete lockdown, do they not realize this!!!???

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                #87
                Originally posted by Seagram View Post
                It is so irresponsible of some of these horse owners who continue to think they are above the law, and continue to flaunt the social rules that most of us are trying to follow, and in many cases, it is to protect some of them! The older horse owner (many at one barn that I frequent, and most are women!!) We are continuing to edge closer and closer to complete lockdown, do they not realize this!!!???
                They don’t realize or they don’t care. Hopefully today’s announcement of all non-essential business being required to close will shut down the irresponsible ones.

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                • #88
                  Stables are listed as essential services on Ontario's list of essential services so they don't need to shut down. But I think attending for non-essential activities such as riding would not be in the spirit of the order. My barn (in Ontario) has been limiting access for over a week and has updated the restrictions in line with public health recommendations.

                  I think unless your horse has an injury that needs to be attended to (acute or chronic) that can't be done by barn staff, you should stay away.

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                  • #89
                    Yes, the "essential" part pf stables being open is to provide the minimum standards of care as laid out by law. Same for rescues and shelters. It's for staff and essential personnel to continue to work, not to allow clients to come in for non-essential activities.

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                    • #90
                      My Cushingoid/laminitic gelding needs special feed and supplememts. I make up baggies for him a week at a time. I WILL NOT endanger his life and health! We are under no such prohibitions in my area at this time. I understand people's distress over this virus and I take every precaution when at the barn. Caring for livestock is still an essential activity.

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                        #91
                        Originally posted by ThreeFigs View Post
                        My Cushingoid/laminitic gelding needs special feed and supplememts. I make up baggies for him a week at a time. I WILL NOT endanger his life and health! We are under no such prohibitions in my area at this time. I understand people's distress over this virus and I take every precaution when at the barn. Caring for livestock is still an essential activity.
                        And owners REQUIRED to provide essential care are still encouraged to do that, in cases where staff cannot or will not. Unfortunately, too many people are arguing that them personally visiting, snuggling and riding Fluffy is essential, even though Fluffy is boarded in an excellent full care facility.

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                        • #92
                          Can anyone in a legal profession speak to the new definition of stables as an essential service that must remain open? Does that change the designation of barns from being an "indoor recreational activity"? I think we can all agree we don't need to be riding, but to be able to safely visit with hygienic measures in place would placate a big portion of our community.

                          We can't expect our 2-3 authorized staff members to notice every change in temp, swollen leg, weepy eye, hot hoof, etc for the next few months. If this is going to last longer than 2-3 weeks (which is looking plausible) I would feel a lot better about having the opportunity for a short visit 1x or 2x a week.

                          Link to essential services list:
                          https://s3.amazonaws.com/files.news....kplaces-2.html

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                            #93
                            Originally posted by Cosmopolis View Post
                            Can anyone in a legal profession speak to the new definition of stables as an essential service that must remain open? Does that change the designation of barns from being an "indoor recreational activity"? I think we can all agree we don't need to be riding, but to be able to safely visit with hygienic measures in place would placate a big portion of our community.

                            We can't expect our 2-3 authorized staff members to notice every change in temp, swollen leg, weepy eye, hot hoof, etc for the next few months. If this is going to last longer than 2-3 weeks (which is looking plausible) I would feel a lot better about having the opportunity for a short visit 1x or 2x a week.

                            Link to essential services list:
                            https://s3.amazonaws.com/files.news....kplaces-2.html
                            I asked for legal advice and their opinion was that this does not change anything. The recognition that stables are an essential service is so that staff can continue to provide care and animals aren’t left unattended if barns are deemed non-essential and forced to close entirely.

                            The same risk of fines and loss of insurance still apply if barns aren’t complying with the SOE- only those required to provide basic minimum care are allowed. For most facilities, that means staff only. For self-care / DIY barns and for certain horses with complex medical needs, the owners should continue providing basic care

                            Everyone else STAY HOME

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