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  • So another tack mystery

    Well, it is a mystery to me, but I am sure someone has seen something like these. Reins that are joined at the buckle and about down to where the rubber would start on a rubber rein, then branching out to two reins that are adjustable.
    I have been using it and LOVE it for a pelham, but during a convo today I got curious as to what they were really for, and where I can find more, haha

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    I’ve seen a version of these on some of the paradressage horses for riders who can’t hold 2 reins, but need the horse in a double bridle.

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      Looks like what you have is a connector built into the reins, similar to this one, where both upper and lower rein can be adjusted, one or the other a hair shorter, for a more or less advanced horse.
      Really, just more gimmicks for something you should be able to do with your two reins, unless you were somehow handicapped in your use of those and need this as an aid:

      https://marystack.com/euro-style-adj...CABEgLUSvD_BwE

      These are the standard, simple connectors most use, if one is used:

      https://marystack.com/leather-pelham-bit-converter/

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Bluey View Post
        Looks like what you have is a connector built into the reins, similar to this one, where both upper and lower rein can be adjusted, one or the other a hair shorter, for a more or less advanced horse:
        The link or picture did not show up?

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        • #5
          Ok, first link picture.
          There is a description with it:



          The Ovation European Style Bit Converter allows you to adjust the length of each side of the converter to your snaffle and curb ring, for more precise control when using a single rein with a pelham bit. Your rein connects to the center ring. Straps with stainless steel buckles allow a custom fit for your needs. Havana brown leather to complement most English bridles and reins. Pelham bit converter comes in one size and are sold as a pair. Mary's has an excellent selection of Pelham bits for horses and ponies from makers like Happy Mouth, Herm Sprenger, and more. We have laced and plain reins and curb chains, too.

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          • #6
            I forgot to mention, I saw converters in Pelhams fox hunting, where you don't have time to be adjusting four reins that often, makes just riding easier over long hours.
            Horses seem to like that arrangement for that, ride comfortably with those.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Bluey View Post
              I forgot to mention, I saw converters in Pelhams fox hunting, where you don't have time to be adjusting four reins that often, makes just riding easier over long hours.
              Horses seem to like that arrangement for that, ride comfortably with those.
              I do know what those are, but these are totally different, I think Mulligan is right on spot here, its a para rein

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Mulligan314 View Post
                I’ve seen a version of these on some of the paradressage horses for riders who can’t hold 2 reins, but need the horse in a double bridle.
                I think you nailed it!

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                • #9
                  There is such thing as "Converter reins" http://www.dyon.be/gb/reins/68-renes-a-alliances-.html (yours don't appear to be Dyon or quite the same design, but the ones I have experience with were the ones in the link) They are meant to do the same thing as the converters Bluey posted above -- take a bit that you would normally use two reins on and merge them into one. While converters are actually pretty common in big jumpers (and please don't start with me on "correctness" and "if you can't hold 2 reins..." These very capable riders know full well what they are choosing and why) I found they were rather hard to adjust and essentially lacked versatility (as in, not as easy to switch back to two reins or steal those reins for a snaffle bridle).

                  Cool that they landed with you and you love them!

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                  • #10
                    These are very popular in Australia they are often seen on show ponies with small riders that can't handle two sets of reins. We call them forked / fork reins
                    https://www.whitehorseequestrian.com...plaited-reins/

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                    • #11
                      They look like standard forked or split reins. Most of the time the ‘snaffle’ rein has holes in it so the curb rein can come into action sooner or later, depending on the rider’s need.

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                      • #12
                        When I worked in a GP jumper barn we used these on some of the horses, with a Pelham or elevator. It allows a little gag action (or lift for a Pelham) but then works like a snaffle. Great for a sensitive horse that gets a little strong but just riding off a gag rein is too much. The great thing about them is how adjustable they are -- can easily strengthen or soften the effect of a bit in warmup depending on how Mr. Sensitive is going today.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Bluey View Post
                          I forgot to mention, I saw converters in Pelhams fox hunting, where you don't have time to be adjusting four reins that often, makes just riding easier over long hours.
                          Horses seem to like that arrangement for that, ride comfortably with those.
                          Just a thought, converters or one rein like that might be more comfortable for a very inexperienced rider, but not for the horse. In hunting, use your snaffle rein to ride and use the curb rein to slow down a tired horse or have just a bit more, but to ride it all the time, as in a converter or a rein like this, is like using your emergency rein too much. Unless the horse goes completely on a loose rein. That would be unusual with a lot of turning and jumping.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by xeroxchick View Post

                            Just a thought, converters or one rein like that might be more comfortable for a very inexperienced rider, but not for the horse. In hunting, use your snaffle rein to ride and use the curb rein to slow down a tired horse or have just a bit more, but to ride it all the time, as in a converter or a rein like this, is like using your emergency rein too much. Unless the horse goes completely on a loose rein. That would be unusual with a lot of turning and jumping.
                            Many decades ago, fox hunting in the East, is where I first saw those used.
                            Horses seemed to go fine but yes, they were used on older horses and ridden on a very loose rein most of the time.
                            I had not seen those used in continental Europe before, or many pelhams either.

                            I don't know how they use those today.

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                            • #15
                              The difference between these and the above converter or forked reins are how far up towards the hand they are split. If you closely at the picture the split only 10" / 20cm -ish from the buckle, I can easily ride with either curb or snaffle rein alone, or both. Super to shorten the Snaffle by itself, and let the curb hang without it flopping away

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