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  • OK Tennessee get prepared for Rain

    I know it has already been a wet winter but this rain coming at you in Tennessee now is going to be a lot.... we got 1.5 inches last night and its still raining... we are at nearly Three Times the annual rainfall already (nearly nine inches since Jan 1st )

    So get groceries today as the creeks will be rising


  • #2
    We had snow on and off for almost two days here.
    We didn't get that much snow, but everything is frozen, highways too.
    Schools were closed yesterday, late start today.
    Sun is shining thru the haze and have nice warmer days ahead.

    We didn't get the 10"+ expected, more like 4" or 5".
    Current fronts may not be as bad as they expect, are moving very fast.
    It never hurts to be prepared anyway.

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    • #3
      We don't need any more rain, thank you very much! You can keep it! The flood waters are still going down from the last system a few days ago and the ground is absolutely saturated.
      "Dogs give and give and give. Cats are the gift that keeps on grifting." —Bradley Trevor Greive

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      • #4
        Depending on the day, we are running between 250% and 300% of annual average. And that's after finishing 10+ inches ahead of normal for last year. TVA has been struggling to move run off down stream without flooding New Orleans. And any chance of spring pasture fertilization is quickly becoming just a memory. Or wishful thinking. Whatever.

        G.
        Mangalarga Marchador: Uma Raa, Uma Paixo

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        • #5
          Gad, we're back down to a 30% deficit. That ridge of high pressure off the coast just won't let the rain come in. Can't we build a pipeline to ship _water_?

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          • #6
            Am I going to need a pontoon boat to drive west?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by aregard View Post
              Gad, we're back down to a 30% deficit. That ridge of high pressure off the coast just won't let the rain come in. Can't we build a pipeline to ship _water_?
              A PIPELINE, you say. What are the odds of that happening without a couple of decades of planning, study, litigation, and more planning and study?!?!?!

              I suspect a pipeline could be built but you might be better off building a few nuclear powered desalination plants.

              Just for grins, a quick search turned up an average cost of $3 Million/mile in 2015 for a "large diameter" pipeline. Specific size was not mentioned but in another article it was $7.5 Million for a 30" oil pipeline. I took $3 Million for the figure as a water pipelines might not have to be of the same quality. That means a run from Memphis to LA (roughly along the route of I-40) would be $5.5 Billion. And about $1 Billion per year to operate as you have to push the water up hill most of the way.

              I picked Memphis as a staring point as it is downstream from all the major watersheds east of the Rockies and West of the Appalachians except the Arkansas.

              If CA wanted to do this and buy the water rights necessary I suspect it could be done. You're talking about a multi-year program, though, and while right NOW there is a surplus in the Midwest that will NOT always be the case.

              An alternative would be to try and buy rights from somewhere in the Great Lakes basin but lake levels also can fluctuate some and you might have to deal with Canadians as they have legal interests in the waters even if you were to start your project in Chicago and maybe follow the route of old US-66 for the pipeline.

              All in all, nuclear powered desalination looks like your best choice. If not in terms of cost at least in terms of knowing that you don't have to worry about weather in other parts of the country.

              G.
              Mangalarga Marchador: Uma Raa, Uma Paixo

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              • #8
                Pipeline? See the water wars between Florida and Georgia on behalf of Coca Cola

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Denali6298 View Post
                  Pipeline? See the water wars between Florida and Georgia on behalf of Coca Cola
                  Georgia is about 100 yards short of having riparian rights on the TN River in TN between Whiteside and New Hope. There has been litigation before over the actual state line which GA has lost. But if the river erodes the south bank even a relatively small amount GA will get a "window of opportunity" and will be able to force an agreement to allow it to take water from the TN River and divert it south to Atlanta. That won't affect East TN but it will affect downstream users AL, Middle TN, and KY.

                  G.
                  Mangalarga Marchador: Uma Raa, Uma Paixo

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Guilherme View Post

                    A PIPELINE, you say. What are the odds of that happening without a couple of decades of planning, study, litigation, and more planning and study?!?!?!

                    ....

                    An alternative would be to try and buy rights from somewhere in the Great Lakes basin but lake levels also can fluctuate some and you might have to deal with Canadians as they have legal interests in the waters even if you were to start your project in Chicago and maybe follow the route of old US-66 for the pipeline.

                    All in all, nuclear powered desalination looks like your best choice. If not in terms of cost at least in terms of knowing that you don't have to worry about weather in other parts of the country.

                    G.
                    Ha, ha G.

                    Not likely to get much cooperation from us northern Lakers. Although right now, our lake levels are so high that the rich fools who built McMansions on the lake bluff are literally watching them slide into the lake, not too many (like <5) years ago the lake levels were so low there were arguments and lawsuits over grooming the brackish land left that way by the receding lake. Those same McMansion owners were screaming about people walking across "their" beach.

                    I've lived near Lake Michigan for 40+ years and seen this extreme high-low cycle repeat at least once a decade. Selling out by selling Great Lakes water would be totally foolhardy. The citizens around here know that.

                    Now if we could just get rid of that foolhardy oil pipeline that sits on the lake bottom to supply mainly the Canadians, the environment would be a much safer place. We need to take diligent care of our precious resources.

                    Crazy, crazy weather all over this year. Somehow the gods must be displeased with us all. How do we repent?

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                    • #11
                      I'm pretty tired of this rain! Yep, in TN. I have a new horse and can't do anything with him yet due to the weather. So not fair.
                      My hopeful road to the 2020 RRP TB Makeover: https://paradoxfarm.blog/

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by fjordmom View Post

                        Ha, ha G.

                        Not likely to get much cooperation from us northern Lakers. Although right now, our lake levels are so high that the rich fools who built McMansions on the lake bluff are literally watching them slide into the lake, not too many (like <5) years ago the lake levels were so low there were arguments and lawsuits over grooming the brackish land left that way by the receding lake. Those same McMansion owners were screaming about people walking across "their" beach.

                        I've lived near Lake Michigan for 40+ years and seen this extreme high-low cycle repeat at least once a decade. Selling out by selling Great Lakes water would be totally foolhardy. The citizens around here know that.

                        Now if we could just get rid of that foolhardy oil pipeline that sits on the lake bottom to supply mainly the Canadians, the environment would be a much safer place. We need to take diligent care of our precious resources.

                        Crazy, crazy weather all over this year. Somehow the gods must be displeased with us all. How do we repent?
                        I'm not sure we do! Or if we offered repentance to whom such should be offered? If you pick the wrong deity you can find yourself in very deep theological kimchi!!!

                        Lost in all the hoo-rah about "climate change" is the fundamental truth that climate is ALWAYS changing. There are also some predictable cycles in things that can induce change (Sun spot activity and the Precession of the Nodes are two). A major volcanic eruption can cause a non-predictable climate anomaly. We've had a very wet year, But of the 10 wettest years in history half were in the 1870' and '80's.

                        Right now walking across my driest pasture at the top of my best drained hill is like walking a wet sponge. Within a few days a very large percentage of that water will have run off and into Watts Bar Lake, on it's way to the Head of the Passes. But during the late summer and early fall of 2016 that same pasture had the consistency of asphalt. I don't keep track of annual rainfall as a rule because there's nothing I can do about it and I don't do row cropping or other activities where predicting rainfall is particularly useful. The worst drought in state history occurred during 1948-49. It killed animal based agriculture as it was cheaper to run tractor than use a team of horses or mules as forage and fodder had to be brought in by truck or train. Was it two years ago that navigation the Mississippi was severely restricted by low water? And last year was limited by high water?

                        I get that CA could use more water and we'd love to export some. But that's today. Tomorrow? Who can say.

                        G.
                        Mangalarga Marchador: Uma Raa, Uma Paixo

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Guilherme View Post

                          Georgia is about 100 yards short of having riparian rights on the TN River in TN between Whiteside and New Hope. There has been litigation before over the actual state line which GA has lost. But if the river erodes the south bank even a relatively small amount GA will get a "window of opportunity" and will be able to force an agreement to allow it to take water from the TN River and divert it south to Atlanta. That won't affect East TN but it will affect downstream users AL, Middle TN, and KY.

                          G.
                          I don’t much about that but I do remember GA wanting the water rights to the St Johns River in N. Florida. They restricted water usage for everyone BUT the coke factory.

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                          • #14
                            The pictures from Birmingham, AL this week are horrible. They had so much rain in one day that parts of the river bank are still underwater. There were high ground clearance vehicles, like pick ups with lift kits, that were half submerged.
                            Last edited by JanM; Feb. 12, 2020, 07:54 PM.
                            You can't fix stupid-Ron White

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                            • #15
                              We’re prepared here in TN. Seems to be our new way of life!
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                              "You can't fix stupid"- Ron White

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Guilherme View Post

                                I'm not sure we do! Or if we offered repentance to whom such should be offered? If you pick the wrong deity you can find yourself in very deep theological kimchi!!!

                                Lost in all the hoo-rah about "climate change" is the fundamental truth that climate is ALWAYS changing. There are also some predictable cycles in things that can induce change (Sun spot activity and the Precession of the Nodes are two). A major volcanic eruption can cause a non-predictable climate anomaly. We've had a very wet year, But of the 10 wettest years in history half were in the 1870' and '80's.

                                G.
                                LOL!

                                "Lost in all the hoo-rah about "climate change" is the fundamental truth that climate is ALWAYS changing." Isn't that the down right truth.

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                                • #17
                                  Ugh, rain! I'm over mud and rain. At least it's been warm, 50's and 60's, but it's supposed to get down to 21 Friday night. At least no snow.

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                                  • #18
                                    RAIN UPDATE: Here are some rain totals so far this year, and the departure from average...

                                    Tuscaloosa 17.84" (+10.29")
                                    Birmingham 16.67" (+9.94")
                                    Muscle Shoals 16.44" (+9.88")
                                    Anniston 15.84" (+9.22")
                                    Huntsville 14.96" (+8.06")
                                    Montgomery 10.34" (+3.45")
                                    Mobile 6.90" (-0.94")


                                    And it's only February.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by TMares View Post
                                      RAIN UPDATE: Here are some rain totals so far this year, and the departure from average...

                                      Tuscaloosa 17.84" (+10.29")
                                      Birmingham 16.67" (+9.94")
                                      Muscle Shoals 16.44" (+9.88")
                                      Anniston 15.84" (+9.22")
                                      Huntsville 14.96" (+8.06")
                                      Montgomery 10.34" (+3.45")
                                      Mobile 6.90" (-0.94")


                                      And it's only February.
                                      With weather, all we can say is, "this too shall pass".

                                      Weather patterns tend to not be patterns.
                                      It rains buckets for some days, weeks, even months, then it dries out and we start running short of moisture.
                                      Where you are maybe not as much or as long between acts.
                                      Here, some times years between wet and dry spells.

                                      You never know if this will last into spring, or if you may be begging for rain by summer.
                                      For now, all you can do is endure the deluges and repair what flooding destroyed.
                                      Stay safe, storms and floods also kill.

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by Bluey View Post

                                        With weather, all we can say is, "this too shall pass".

                                        Weather patterns tend to not be patterns.
                                        It rains buckets for some days, weeks, even months, then it dries out and we start running short of moisture.
                                        Where you are maybe not as much or as long between acts.
                                        Here, some times years between wet and dry spells.

                                        You never know if this will last into spring, or if you may be begging for rain by summer.
                                        For now, all you can do is endure the deluges and repair what flooding destroyed.
                                        Stay safe, storms and floods also kill.
                                        Yeah, I think we *** all *** know that. Anyone who buys hay or makes hay knows all of that. I'm 50 years old. I know. You could refrain from the teaching and just express empathy.

                                        If we can be given a bit of grace and room to say you know, I'm so flipping sick of mud, rain rot, soggy hooves, damp clothes, moldy tack, flooding, potholes, and mess, that would be great.

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