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  • #21
    Originally posted by BigMama1 View Post
    Why are people so concerned with how other people spend their money? If you don’t believe in animal communicators, don’t use them. If you find using them to be helpful or comforting, then go for it.
    Why is this not a two way street? Why are "naysayers" double dog damned and the believers given free rein to post whatever story they wish? I'm genuinely interested in this little branch of logic.

    G.
    Mangalarga Marchador: Uma Raa, Uma Paixo

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    • #22
      I'm genuinely interested in this little branch of logic.
      might be that they think you are questioning their sanity

      refer to patient's rights #6... patient can refuse treatment

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      • #23
        Originally posted by BigMama1 View Post
        Why are people so concerned with how other people spend their money? If you don’t believe in animal communicators, don’t use them. If you find using them to be helpful or comforting, then go for it.
        Because they are scammers who often prey on people when they are very vulnerable- ie pets are lost or very sick.
        Wouldst thou like the taste of butter ? A pretty dress? Wouldst thou like to live deliciously?

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        • #24
          Someone I know did a full course of ulcer treatment because an animal communicator said her horse had ulcers. Several months later the horse was scoped for a different reason and the vet said there was no sign that the horse had, or had ever had, ulcers.

          And no, the ulcer treatment didn't result in any improvement in the horse's behavior or condition.
          "Facts are meaningless. You can use facts to prove anything
          that's even remotely true."

          Homer Simpson

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          • #25
            It’s fine to do it for fun, like when people go for palm reading or tarot cards. It becomes an issue when people use ACs in place of actual training. I used to work for a woman who would spend literal hours on the phone with her AC once a week and it was ridiculous the things she would come back with. One horse, who was a nice, sane local-level ammy kind of horse, apparently told them he was going to the Olympics. Trainer believed it.
            Another horse was severely neurological (had flipped on concrete when she first got him and was never right after) told them he wanted to go back to work. You couldn’t ride the horse at all because he lacked self-preservation and would run through fences, and you couldn’t even catch him in his paddock, but she was serious about getting back on him. I quit at that point because I wasn’t about to be killed because of this “trainer’s” inability to actually make training decisions.

            So yeah, it’s fine until you can’t see reality and bad things happen.

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            • #26
              Originally posted by BigMama1 View Post
              Why are people so concerned with how other people spend their money? If you don’t believe in animal communicators, don’t use them. If you find using them to be helpful or comforting, then go for it.
              I guess - for me anyway - it's not that I am coming from the perspective of "I think you're spending your money on the wrong thing" for the horse owners - lord knows I've probably inspired a few eyerolls from fellow horse people about what I choose to invest in. I'm also not looking down on anyone's belief in the "reality" of animal communicators. I actually truly do believe, personally, that when it comes to really tuning into horses some people are more naturally gifted than others. I might not attribute that to an "extrasensory" kind of phenomenon, but it's not up to me to dictate how other people see the world. If someone gets value out of what an AC does for them, then no harm no foul.

              What I see, fairly frequently - and what gets my back up a bit - is people clearly being taken advantage of by a person who has very successfully created a bit of a mystique around themselves, and who offers the services of reading a horse's energy. Which - fine, when I do work with someone's horse I often use that kind of terminology as well, and I base my conclusions on what I see and interpret according to my understanding of horse physiology and behaviour. What I don't do is go sit silently in the doorway of a horse's stall with my eyes closed and tell the owner that their horse is "feeling quite emotionally confused" while said horse is calmly munching on hay, breathing deeply, and looking around contentedly. The fix for that "emotional confusion", of course, is for the owner and horse to continue to regularly use this specific person as a conduit for their relationship, which will involve more sitting in the stall looking at the horse and passing messages back and forth. In every case, I've seen an owner who is only trying to provide scrupulous care, be convinced that there is something wrong with their horse who - by all behavioural and physical indicators, is fine.

              That's unethical. It's bad behaviour. It's taking someone's genuine wish to connect more effectively with their horse (which is an entirely teachable skill) and exploiting their emotions. It also often preys on the underlying nervousness that many riders have, so if the horse spooks or gets silly and the rider get scared, it allows the rider to say "aha! yes, I knew something was going on with Dobbin emotionally, he would never otherwise hurt me." I've paid thousands and thousands in coaching fees over the years, and I am a confident, capable rider and handler now to show for it (with much more to learn, of course!) I've seen folks pay thousands for these kinds of services, and all they have to show for it is a total conviction that something is always wrong with their horse. It stinks.

              I also know smart, capable horsepeople who use an AC now and then and feel that it really helps them move forward with their understanding of that horse - and neither horse nor rider are worse off for it. In which case it's an effective method for them, and more power to them.

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              • #27
                I’m one that would try it for fun. I’ve had my own experiences that cannot be explained (not AC related) and people would probably think I’m nuts for thinking the way I do. My only experience with an AC was not a good one. Her answers were vague and the ones that were on point was because my Mom’s ex-gf took the bait to provide information so it seemed accurate. I silently watched.

                I do not get why people get so passionately defensive when people say the think it’s a load of bull and take it personally. Many posters have relayed there stories and no one said they were crazy. The fear is real that some people will use them inappropriately. Hell look at the Parelli following........ clearly some people should not own horses.

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                • #28
                  Yes I do think the concern isn't because they are "wasting their money". It's what they do with the information. I have seen it be harmful for the horse, owner, or both, and not end well. JMO.

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                  • #29
                    I'm interested in what I can Intuit about horses and fascinated by the times I've felt myself "catching" an emotion from a horse. I am so not interested in paying someone else to do this on cue especially a person that has no real horse handling skills.

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                    • #30
                      I am upset when "animal communication" is used as a marketing tool- a friend who is usually very sensible had a phone session with an AC on the other side of the country and was told her horse had such and such a condition and that he requested a particular supplement by name that AC just HAPPENED to sell. That is just plain lying and fraud, shameless.

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                      • #31
                        I think most of these people are scam artists and if people find them amusing; that's their choice. But I do see potential harm that could occur.

                        For argument's sake, since I can neither prove nor disprove that a particular communicator is fake or real, let's say someone has real talent to speak to animals.

                        Based on personal experiences, I believe that there are good and evil supernatural forces in the world. For me, they are defined by Christian names, but for others, they might have other names. For simplicity's sake, I will call them angels and demons. Please don't be offended if you're an atheist. I am not trying to argue about religion. I am just presenting another point of view.

                        If someone actually has the ability to open one's mind up to listen, which would be required if one was really 'talking to animals', they are exposing themselves to these forces. My questions for that communicator would be: 1) Are you being influenced by a demon or an angel? 2) Can you tell? 3) How?

                        You would think, as a consumer of this information, you would be one step removed from the process and therefore immune. However, you must ask yourself, why this information is being passed to you through the communicator? Is it to influence you to do good or harm? Some effects may seem benign or even good (maybe my horse/dog needs me to change an aspect of their care). But what if by altering this or focusing more on the pet, you miss something big going on in your own family? What if it seems like the pet is happier (feeding into your expectations because they want to please you) but the changes are putting you at more risk? A distraction or change can do just as much evil as an obvious influence. Personally, I don't think it's worth the risk.

                        I don't get my palm read or go to tarot card readers, or fortune tellers, either. None of these unguided attempts at communicating with spirits or mental telepathy are worth the possible negative outcomes, in my opinion. I think it's best to use our own intuition in our relationships with people and animals (although analysing our relationships through therapy can certainly be helpful). I also think it's best not to try to discern the future because it could alter your decisions based on unknown, potentially harmful, influences.

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                        • #32
                          Originally posted by Moonlitoaks View Post
                          I don't get my palm read or go to tarot card readers, or fortune tellers, either. None of these unguided attempts at communicating with spirits or mental telepathy are worth the possible negative outcomes, in my opinion. I think it's best to use our own intuition in our relationships with people and animals (although analysing our relationships through therapy can certainly be helpful). I also think it's best not to try to discern the future because it could alter your decisions based on unknown, potentially harmful, influences.
                          How do you know your intuition is not the Devil whispering in your ear to influence you?

                          No matter where you go, there you are

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                          • #33
                            That is a deeper spiritual question that would definitely cross the line into religion. Best to leave that alone. If you are sincere, you can PM me.

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                            • #34
                              Beck, (did you get your user name from the singer?). I was thinking about your question during chores and I don't actually trust my intuition fully. In practice, I rely on science. Animal behaviorists have taught us so much about how our animals communicate with us and that's what I use in real life. Watching a good horse trainer put that knowledge into practice is a joy. I constantly check my intuition/instincts against my knowledge and experience. I think all of us do. You wouldn't last long relying on some sort of magical feeling you think you have.

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                              • #35
                                Originally posted by Guilherme View Post

                                Why is this not a two way street? Why are "naysayers" double dog damned and the believers given free rein to post whatever story they wish? I'm genuinely interested in this little branch of logic.

                                G.
                                I welcome naysayers posting their own negative experiences of animal communicators and would never criticize them for not using one. or try to convince them to give one a try.

                                What I don’t welcome is those naysayers trying to prevent others from using them, or criticizing them for doing so. Live and let live.

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                                • #36
                                  Originally posted by BigMama1 View Post

                                  I welcome naysayers posting their own negative experiences of animal communicators and would never criticize them for not using one. or try to convince them to give one a try.

                                  What I don’t welcome is those naysayers trying to prevent others from using them, or criticizing them for doing so. Live and let live.
                                  Totally.

                                  First off, I can't even imagine any of my valued horse friends using an AC and taking anything that's said with any more than a grain of salt. It's never occurred to me that someone would truly take what an AC has said over the opinion of a professional in the industry. Maybe have a couple of things to ponder over, or stuff to look into... but nothing more than that.

                                  What I'm saying is, it's very likely that the people using an AC to solve something like training or medical issues, are likely doing an awful job in the first place / are not being directed well by the professionals that support them / perhaps they're not listening / perhaps they have some mental health issues of their own. Who knows. All I know is that when I used one (for entertainment value ) a number of years ago, it was super entertaining. It cost me $50, and we got to listen to the lady read all of the horses in the barn. It was a pretty good afternoon spent with the animals we loved, we laughed and cried, bottom line - it was fun.

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                                  • #37
                                    Originally posted by BigMama1 View Post

                                    I welcome naysayers posting their own negative experiences of animal communicators and would never criticize them for not using one. or try to convince them to give one a try.

                                    What I don’t welcome is those naysayers trying to prevent others from using them, or criticizing them for doing so. Live and let live.
                                    How would a naysayer, such as myself, prevent anyone in this forum from ever doing anything? To continue your thought we should never opine on anything which we don't have personal experience with. One of the great things about being human is that we can, and should, learn from the experiences of others. So those experiences are relevant. And so would be discussions of principles that might underlie those experiences. You suggest, functionally, the universal wearing of intellectual blinders. Since we presently have a vast number of Americans doing that and the consequences are actually rather negative I would reject your thoughts.

                                    G.
                                    Mangalarga Marchador: Uma Raa, Uma Paixo

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                                    • #38
                                      Originally posted by Guilherme View Post

                                      How would a naysayer, such as myself, prevent anyone in this forum from ever doing anything? To continue your thought we should never opine on anything which we don't have personal experience with. One of the great things about being human is that we can, and should, learn from the experiences of others. So those experiences are relevant. And so would be discussions of principles that might underlie those experiences. You suggest, functionally, the universal wearing of intellectual blinders. Since we presently have a vast number of Americans doing that and the consequences are actually rather negative I would reject your thoughts.

                                      G.
                                      The OP wanted to prevent her friends from “throwing their money away” and tried to get a friend to make up a fake story and hire a communicator, just to prove animal communication is fake. That just seems like an unnecessary amount of personal involvement in something that is largely harmless and completely none of their business.

                                      Ditto the posters who feel obliged to chime in on EVERY animal communication thread and tell EVERY poster who shares a positive experience that they have been scammed and / or are stupid for believing. Just unnecessary.

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                                      • #39
                                        I just pay attention to how many "suggestions" are wrong, or too vague to be substantiated (how the horse *feels* about something, for example), vs how many are right, or at least close. IOW, if someone throws out enough guesses then some of them are going to hit the mark, and then if we're amazed enough by the ones that come close and/or hit the mark it's easy to discount all the ones that didn't.

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                                        • #40
                                          I was the one in the long thread that asked the recommended AC a few questions that proved she was fake. I refused to give her any leading answers, asked her about a couple of things that this particular horse had not experienced, and was fed a bunch of hooey.

                                          One strong advocate on that thread told me I had lied to the AC...when I most certainly had not. I asked questions that, had she really been "talking" to my horse (and over the phone, no less) my horse would have said something like "what? I don't know anything about that". Instead, the AC ran with the questions I had asked, trying to play them into reality.

                                          Dressage must automatically mean German trainer, AC told me horse had one (horse is OTTB and was not restarted at that point and knows nothing about dressage); horse likes new dressage saddle better than the old one that pinched his withers (horse has never had a dressage saddle on, and there is no new saddle); and horse doesn't want to go back to the stuffy dressage boarding barn for the winter because he didn't like it there and didn't like the horse in the stall on his left at that barn (horse has never been boarded at any barn, and there aren't any stuffy dressage barns around here.

                                          I'm of the opinion that if spending money on this gives someone comfort, fine. People spend all sorts of money all the time on stuff that isn't necessary but seems to have a placebo effect, and how they spend their money is their choice, not mine. But that doesn't make it real.
                                          "Argue for your limitations and you get to keep them."
                                          -Richard S. Bach

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