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Bathtub Method for Fabbri VEG Boots?

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  • chillydc
    started a topic Bathtub Method for Fabbri VEG Boots?

    Bathtub Method for Fabbri VEG Boots?

    Hi All,

    I am wondering if anyone out there has tried the bathtub method on Vegan leather boots? These need to drop quite a bit and I am game for trying it. However, I am not sure if it will have any ill effects on the leather. The manufacturer was pleasant but I do not think he understood the question. If anyone has done it, please come forward. If it turns out that no one has done it, and if I decide to, I will report back on the results. Good night all.
    Last edited by chillydc; Jan. 14, 2020, 02:02 PM. Reason: Edited title for clarity.

  • chillydc
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    Hi Guilherme , I will not be doing it on these boots, I was on the fence before this thread and now I am for sure it is a bad idea. I rode in them and did some barn chores in them today, just got in now. I think they will be fine. There is a spot on my ankle that is a little rubbed but that is par for the course in breaking in boots. I did not zip them up the last inch yesterday and that seemed to help the ankle flex a bit more. Today, I zipped them all the way.

    As far as buying stuff in January, that is true! Nothing leather feels too nice in January. I am loving being south for a few weeks though Enjoy your boots!

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  • Guilherme
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    Just to be clear the "soak" or "bathtub" method does work with leather but I've never known it to work with synthetics. With those you might (note the conditional) be able to get a very small amount of stretch "up" using a "dry" method but won't get anything down.

    I've got a new pair of work boots sitting in my closet waiting for a day when I can "wet" them and then condition them for wear. Buying leather boots in January is just not that good an idea!!!

    G.

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  • chillydc
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    Guilherme , they are not custom, though I was measured and chose the size that was closest with the advice of the tack store. Both of my pairs of custom boots required a little bit of break in time so I am not worried about these dropping as long as they do what the manufacturer says they will (which I will know soon enough). I do not plan on ever wearing the winter socks under these boots. I have another pair of boots that are looser that I will wear if I need to deal with very cold tempuratures and look respectable while doing it. I bought them when I was still growing and they were built with more room in the foot in case I grew, now they are convenient if I need layers.

    Good to know that bathtub method does in fact work.

    I am aware that "primarily" can cover lots of sins. There are sins in just about everything humans do so we have to pick which sins we prefer to commit.

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  • Guilherme
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    Originally posted by chillydc View Post
    Hi All,

    I have only ridden in them 4 times and so far they are breaking in the way normal boots would. Better each time, they are comfortable when riding, I would just like to get to the phase where they are comfortable to be walking around for extended periods in. I have never tried the bathtub method but it and variations of it often come up here and amongst others, though I am not sure if it is more of an urban legend or if many people actually do it. I figured I would ask to see if anyone has tried with these. I will not be trying it, I am not quite that much of a risk taker.

    Definitely NOT an "urban legend." I did it for the first time in 1966 with a pair of Navy "boondockers." I've done it on multiple occasions, since, with off the shelf boots. I've never had to do it with custom made boots.

    The reason I am hoping to break them in a little quicker is that I have some shows coming up in the next few weeks and my old pair (bought in 2005 so they have served me very well and are very comfortable at this point) have some worn out spots near the stitching of the toe cap where they are threatening to rip the rest of the way and I want to be able to use the new ones if needed (not an area that can be repaired on the old ones). I should have been more diligent about wearing the new boots more before this week but the weather was pretty brisk where I live and I broke out the thick winter socks which only fit under my paddock boots and 1/2 chaps.

    Break in a pair of boots, any boots, with the sox you will routinely wear under them. It really does make a difference in fit. If you "wet form" a pair of leather boots with a pair of heavy sox they will not fit well if you subsequently use lighter sox. And if you form with the light sox you'll know it when you try a pair of heavy ones. In this sense it's akin to fitting a saddle!

    Fabbri does state that they will break in similarly to normal leather boots and that is why you buy them a little high, like you would regular boots. I know that these are new materials and people (including me) are skeptical but I decided to try them out because I like the idea. So far, so good. Reviews from others have stated that they did break in nicely. My pair is fitted correctly to my measurements, I ordered them after being measured at the tack store. I will say they look and feel like real leather and the care for them is less involved than leather boots. Just wipe with water. As tack cleaning (any cleaning actually) is not where I really shine, that appealed to me and went in the plus column. The boot does not have any reinforcing material.

    Are these "bespoke" or "custom"? If the former they should fit perfectly out of the box. If they don't then they're not right; send them back. If the latter then they should be REAL close but will usually take some breaking in.

    If there is a rep at the show, I will ask more about the manufacturing, if anyone here would like me to. My understanding from the tack store is that they are made primarily of plant material (apple skins and cotton) and not filled with plastics. One of their marketing points is that they are environmentally friendly though I am aware that such friendliness is probably exaggerated.
    How would one use cotton and apple skins to make a pair of boots without a fairly sophisticated processing which would include the use of resins and glue? That word "primarily" can cover a multitude of sins.

    For the price of these things I'd expect a very high level of quality in finish and FIT!

    G.

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  • chillydc
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    Hi All,

    I have only ridden in them 4 times and so far they are breaking in the way normal boots would. Better each time, they are comfortable when riding, I would just like to get to the phase where they are comfortable to be walking around for extended periods in. I have never tried the bathtub method but it and variations of it often come up here and amongst others, though I am not sure if it is more of an urban legend or if many people actually do it. I figured I would ask to see if anyone has tried with these. I will not be trying it, I am not quite that much of a risk taker.

    The reason I am hoping to break them in a little quicker is that I have some shows coming up in the next few weeks and my old pair (bought in 2005 so they have served me very well and are very comfortable at this point) have some worn out spots near the stitching of the toe cap where they are threatening to rip the rest of the way and I want to be able to use the new ones if needed (not an area that can be repaired on the old ones). I should have been more diligent about wearing the new boots more before this week but the weather was pretty brisk where I live and I broke out the thick winter socks which only fit under my paddock boots and 1/2 chaps.

    Fabbri does state that they will break in similarly to normal leather boots and that is why you buy them a little high, like you would regular boots. I know that these are new materials and people (including me) are skeptical but I decided to try them out because I like the idea. So far, so good. Reviews from others have stated that they did break in nicely. My pair is fitted correctly to my measurements, I ordered them after being measured at the tack store. I will say they look and feel like real leather and the care for them is less involved than leather boots. Just wipe with water. As tack cleaning (any cleaning actually) is not where I really shine, that appealed to me and went in the plus column. The boot does not have any reinforcing material.

    If there is a rep at the show, I will ask more about the manufacturing, if anyone here would like me to. My understanding from the tack store is that they are made primarily of plant material (apple skins and cotton) and not filled with plastics. One of their marketing points is that they are environmentally friendly though I am aware that such friendliness is probably exaggerated.

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  • GraceLikeRain
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    After googling and seeing the price I'd absolutely send them back for a different size. It is one thing to take a risk with a pair of $75 clearance boots that have an unknown response to water. At this price point that's a helluva lot of money to flush and I'm sure the manufacturer isn't going to comp new boots if you let yours swim away.

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  • GraceLikeRain
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    Does the company make any claims about the material dropping over time? Thinking about the boots I have that are not cow leather, they are often reinforced or backed with a structured material that seems to prevent dropping. It could be that the boots need to be cut down behind the knee.

    I would absolutely not do the bathtub method. It is questionable at best with cow leather and doesn't have consistent outcomes. I know a few pair of newer thin leather boots that did not come out of the bathtub looking as nice as when they went in.

    How is this material care for long term? I imagine it doesn't need any oiling or conditioning. This complicates the ways that you can get the fibers to soften and break down.

    Personally, I'd return for a different size or have the boots cut down.

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  • Guilherme
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    Originally posted by chillydc View Post
    They are not made from plastic or vinyl, the main component is derived from cotton. There is no glue involved. Yes, I have done a general search and contacted the Fabbri rep. I do not think that any boot company advocates the bathtub method and the advice I received was typical, just wear them until they are broken in. In hopes of making the process go a little faster, I wondered if anyone had tried that with these. They are breaking in the way any normal boot does.

    Please note, I am not the one who made up the term "vegan leather", that is what the company calls it. I understand that it is a misleading term. I will edit the title of the thread.
    As Scribbler noted, I'm one of those who are amused by the "vegan leather" description.

    The advice to "wear them until they are broken in" is just a "dry" method of "wet fitting." As your feet excrete moisture over time they will very slightly dampen the leather and it will form around the foot. That's what "breaking in" is in a genuine leather product. But if that product is not a material that you can "wet fit" you don't "dry fit" it, either. I'm deeply skeptical that it will "stretch" over time given my experience with good quality synthetic materials. I might well be wrong but I've a fair amount of experience in both leather and synthetics in foot gear. Leather will conform over time; I've yet to have a synthetic do that (and I'm almost 74 years old ).

    Advice re synthetic materials: if they fit, buy them. If the don't, don't. Keep looking until you find something that does fit.

    G.

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  • Beck
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    Found an article from March 2019 about "frumat" - made from apple fibers. But it says the shoe leather is 50% polyurethane. http://www.technofashionworld.com/fr...e-from-apples/

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  • Scribbler
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    Originally posted by demidq View Post
    Actually, there was an article in "Heels Down" last summer about these boots. They are not vinyl, they are a leather-like material made from cotton FIBRES and apple skins that is breathable and stretchy. No further info I could find about HOW it is made, but the article stressed they are not plastic. FWIW
    Huh. Well in that case I have no idea. Are they oil skin?

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  • demidq
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    Actually, there was an article in "Heels Down" last summer about these boots. They are not vinyl, they are a leather-like material made from cotton FIBRES and apple skins that is breathable and stretchy. No further info I could find about HOW it is made, but the article stressed they are not plastic. FWIW

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  • Scribbler
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    If you google vinyl from cottonseed you will get lots of hits primarily from flooring companies so it's clearly a thing. I don't know the manufacturing process or whether there are petrochemicals involved. It is going to be another basically non biodegradable hunk of plastic though

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  • trubandloki
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    I googled it and I can not find anything that says cotton (but then, Google hates me). In most of the ads and press releases they use the term faux leather interchangeably with vegan leather, so you are right there chillydc .

    Let us know what you learn. If they truly made them out of something other than laminated petroleum products I will be impressed at how far fake leather has come.

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  • Scribbler
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    Originally posted by chillydc View Post
    They are not made from plastic or vinyl, the main component is derived from cotton. There is no glue involved. Yes, I have done a general search and contacted the Fabbri rep. I do not think that any boot company advocates the bathtub method and the advice I received was typical, just wear them until they are broken in. In hopes of making the process go a little faster, I wondered if anyone had tried that with these. They are breaking in the way any normal boot does.

    Please note, I am not the one who made up the term "vegan leather", that is what the company calls it. I understand that it is a misleading term. I will edit the title of the thread.
    Vegan leather isn't confusing, we are just amused.

    You can make vinyl or plastic out of any oil. It doesn't need to be petroleum based. Yes, you can make plastic out of plant oils including soy. I expect cottonseed oil is a cheap byproduct of the fabric process as the seeds need to get combed out of the cotton bills.

    If the boots look like fake leather then they are a vinyl type product made from plant oils. These will behave just like vinyl from petrochemicals except they might degrade or compost a little bit faster.

    I don't believe there is no glue. All modern boots and shoes use glue somewhere in the mix.

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  • chillydc
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    They are not made from plastic or vinyl, the main component is derived from cotton. There is no glue involved. Yes, I have done a general search and contacted the Fabbri rep. I do not think that any boot company advocates the bathtub method and the advice I received was typical, just wear them until they are broken in. In hopes of making the process go a little faster, I wondered if anyone had tried that with these. They are breaking in the way any normal boot does.

    Please note, I am not the one who made up the term "vegan leather", that is what the company calls it. I understand that it is a misleading term. I will edit the title of the thread.

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  • Guilherme
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    "Leather" is tanned animal skin. A product made in a factory is not "leather." It might be "synthetic leather" or we might give it a new name entirely, like "Naugahyde" (although rumors of herds of Naugas continue to persist ).

    In any event you can't wet-fit synthetic materials in most instances. Nor are they amenable to mechanical methods in most instances. They are what they are when you buy them. Make sure they fit at that time or don't buy them.

    G.

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  • NoSuchPerson
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    Originally posted by trubandloki View Post
    I do love the smarts of the marketing team though.
    When I got my first paddock boots they were the cheaper synthetic materials. Now they charge extra for synthetic materials and call it vegan leather.
    Years ago, standing on a boardwalk in a wetland in Australia, the guide said, "We used to call this a swamp and no one wanted to come here. Then, we started calling it a wetland and all the tourists want to see it."

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  • Scribbler
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    I long ago gave up on shoes that had any vinyl components in the upper, either outer or lining, because they don't mold to your feet, they are hot, and vinyl lining in a leather shoe eventually crumbles.

    ​​​​​​

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  • trubandloki
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    OP, I agree that your boots are made from all synthetic materials. Calling it leather will only confuse things when you are looking for help trying to deal with them.
    Have you searched (general internet, not just here) how to break in boots made of whatever the exact material these are?

    I do love the smarts of the marketing team though.
    When I got my first paddock boots they were the cheaper synthetic materials. Now they charge extra for synthetic materials and call it vegan leather.

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