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  • Pehsness
    started a topic Trailer purchase question

    Trailer purchase question

    I've never owned a trailer before but am in the market and really want one sooner rather than later. I don't feel qualified to buy used privately, so am looking at dealers.

    For towing vehicles we have a 2020 dodge ram 1500 with the tow package, and a 2018 vw atlas with AWD. My husband would much prefer that I don't tie up "his" truck whenever I want to go somewhere so I'm trying to decide if I trade the atlas in for a larger tow vehicle or buy a trailer it can haul.

    One local place has a used Bockmann and brand new Adam's trailers (my budget isn't huge, so not looking at anything high end, two horse bumper pull)

    The Bockmann would be ideal but there's no dressing room and it feels so... flimsy compared to the larger Adam's. But the VW isn't going to pull the Adam's.

    I'd be hauling locally only, lessons and clinics and shows, maybe the odd longer haul to some trails.

    Any advice for a newb?

  • demidq
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    Guilherme- a comment about Canadian fuel prices. We don't really suck it up, we complain bitterly!
    However, fuel is highly taxed, taxes go towards road maintenance and infrastructure and in cities a proportion goes towards public transportation to encourage people out of their cars. High fuel costs also encourage the use of more fuel efficient vehicles which is important when we consider the role of burning fossils fuels in climate change.

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  • demidq
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    Excellent! Have fun with your new toy , and I"m sure your horse will enjoy it too!

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  • Pehsness
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    It's home! We picked it up today. Immediately took it to the local fairgrounds to practice backing it up, then home to the challenge of our long and narrow driveway with innumerable obstacles (we didn't design it with a trailer in mind).

    I love it.

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  • Pehsness
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    Originally posted by Guilherme View Post

    The Europeans are not insane. At least not in some things! But Europe is not North America. If you live in a congested area like New England you're much more like Europe than if you live in the Dakotas or Texas. What works in a congested, relatively low speed milieu might be a death trap someplace where the legal speed limit is 75 mph and average speed in 85 mph. The Europeans also pay hideous prices for vehicle fuel and that puts a premium on size and weight. Our Canadian neighbors ape Europe when it comes to motor fuel prices. They appear to just "suck it up" and pay up. Distances in Canada can be very impressive, too, but the Canadian population is VERY concentrated compared to the U.S. So a more European solution might work well in more places there than it will here.

    G.
    I'm your Canadian neighbour, Guillherme

    I do appreciate you taking the time with the calculations. It was running those numbers (again and again and again...) that helped me to make up my mind.

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  • Guilherme
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    Originally posted by Pehsness View Post

    the truck will be equipped to tow it, but after talking to the (original) dealer and other people who own them and doing the math as Guillherme listed above, I'm comfortable with using the Atlas. If there are issues I'll be sure to report back!

    I'm learning that Euro trailers are a whole different breed. Tongue weight is 212 lbs. Trailer weighs 2300 lbs. Weight is balanced over the axles.

    I understand the concerns with the backing and such, but I'll be practicing empty.

    Unless the entire European continent is insane...
    The Europeans are not insane. At least not in some things! But Europe is not North America. If you live in a congested area like New England you're much more like Europe than if you live in the Dakotas or Texas. What works in a congested, relatively low speed milieu might be a death trap someplace where the legal speed limit is 75 mph and average speed in 85 mph. The Europeans also pay hideous prices for vehicle fuel and that puts a premium on size and weight. Our Canadian neighbors ape Europe when it comes to motor fuel prices. They appear to just "suck it up" and pay up. Distances in Canada can be very impressive, too, but the Canadian population is VERY concentrated compared to the U.S. So a more European solution might work well in more places there than it will here.

    G.

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  • Gardenhorse
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    Enjoy!

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  • Pehsness
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    Originally posted by candyappy View Post
    So glad you found a trailer you like. Please do yourself a favor and use the truck when you pull it.
    the truck will be equipped to tow it, but after talking to the (original) dealer and other people who own them and doing the math as Guillherme listed above, I'm comfortable with using the Atlas. If there are issues I'll be sure to report back!

    I'm learning that Euro trailers are a whole different breed. Tongue weight is 212 lbs. Trailer weighs 2300 lbs. Weight is balanced over the axles.

    I understand the concerns with the backing and such, but I'll be practicing empty.

    Unless the entire European continent is insane...

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  • candyappy
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    So glad you found a trailer you like. Please do yourself a favor and use the truck when you pull it.

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  • Pehsness
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    Guillherme - thank you for that. That is the calculation we had found but it was surprisingly hard to find it! You get a lot of different answers.

    It's done, we bought it. I feel good about it. The dealer sells it safetied and is a full service garage to it can go back there annually for inspection if I want. Sounds like they look after one other Boeckmann, and the instructor where my daughter rides said she has a former student who owns and loves one, so I feel good about the decision. So if all goes well, in a couple of weeks, I'll have my trailer!

    It's taken 32 years... but finally living the dream!

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  • Guilherme
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    The first rule of pulling anything is that "Starting is optional; stopping is not."

    So, you begin with your tow and determine the weight you will be towing (trailer, horse(s), tack, forage, fodder, water, clothing, picnic basket, ice chest, etc.). They you determine the weight of the contents of the tow vehicle (people, food, stuff, fuel, etc). Then you add that load up and that is your "payload." Now find something to pull that payload.

    If you have a vehicle lookup the Gross Combined Vehicle Weigh Rating (GCVWR; sometimes word "Weight" and the "W" are missing from the definition for some companies). When you look at a vehicle if you don't have one then find this number. I might be on a placard somewhere on the vehicle or in the Owner's Manual.

    From the GCVWR you must first subtract the curb weight of the vehicle. If this is not stated in the vehicle's paperwork you take it to a truck stop and weigh it. That will cost you in the range of $25. That weight will include the driver, so don't count that twice! This will give your vehicle's pay load capacity.

    Now it's a question of math. From the GCVWR subtract the curb weight. That's what you can legally (and safely) tow. From that subtract your other stuff to go into the vehicle. From that subtract the gross weight of the tow that you've calculated. If the result is a positive number then you're OK! If it's a negative number you are NOT OK!!!

    Now at this point your personal honesty comes into question. If you have been honest and realistic in your weight calculations then a negative number is a no-go. If you are going to be dishonest you can start to "jigger" your number by playing with the various items until you get a positive number. But that's cheating. And now you put yourself, your horse, your net worth, and the general public at risk of injury. Don't do that.

    PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE ADVERTISED "TOWING CAPACITY" OF YOUR VEHICLE AS FOUND ON WEB SITES OR ADVERTISING LITERATURE. THEY ARE THE PRODUCT OF THE SALES DEPARTMENT NOT THE ENGINEERING OR LEGAL DEPARTMENTS!!!!!

    You will have people tell you that you don't have to do this, that's too much work, that they tow all the time over the number and that they've never had a problem. To that last item always at the word "yet." If you care about the risks outlined, above, do this math. And be guided accordingly.

    Good luck in your project.

    G.

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  • trubandloki
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    Originally posted by Pehsness View Post

    I wonder in general then? This dealership gets good reviews so I'm not distrustful, and they've been around a long time, it's just nervewracking when you've never done it before. I guess time will tell!
    I would think any good reputable dealership does not want to sell anything with problems so they are going to do a thorough inspection before putting something up for sale.
    Kind of like used cars.
    The good car dealerships keep the good used cars to sell and let the others go to be sold elsewhere.

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  • Pehsness
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    Originally posted by trubandloki View Post

    I do not think this is a dumb question. But it is a question that we probably can not give you a direct answer to.

    I think the answer depends on the dealership.
    I wonder in general then? This dealership gets good reviews so I'm not distrustful, and they've been around a long time, it's just nervewracking when you've never done it before. I guess time will tell!

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  • trubandloki
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    Originally posted by Pehsness View Post

    Here is a dumb question (forgive me). When you buy used from a lot, it comes safetied, right? And safetied means just that... it is safe and the brakes and tires and frame etc have all been checked and are deemed... safe? I will ask the dealer, of course, but I always like to know the answers ahead of time, just in case
    I do not think this is a dumb question. But it is a question that we probably can not give you a direct answer to.

    I think the answer depends on the dealership.

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  • Pehsness
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    Originally posted by dkcbr View Post
    I've owned multiple trailers & vehicles, doing various disciplines over the years - and never had one with a dressing room. They're great to have, but not an absolute necessity (I know my opinion is the minority one).
    Considering my original intent was a stock trailer... I'm fine with the lack of dressing room after giving it consideration. I did want the tack storage so saddles and bridles don't get destroyed being jammed in the back of the car or truck, so I think this will be perfect.

    And it's a Big Master, so the largest of the Boeckmann's (if I'm readng their website correctly) so that keeps my options open for a larger horse in the future (apparently up to 18hh is comfortable?) if that's ever a thing (likely not). And it will be easier to park in our driveway and so on.

    I'm hoping to go give it a last once over today to make sure it's been maintained like the dealer said - you apparently have to wax them annually and she told me how to check to see if it's been kept up. Then I will hopefully give the green light! Anyway, I'm excited.

    Here is a dumb question (forgive me). When you buy used from a lot, it comes safetied, right? And safetied means just that... it is safe and the brakes and tires and frame etc have all been checked and are deemed... safe? I will ask the dealer, of course, but I always like to know the answers ahead of time, just in case

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  • dkcbr
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    I've owned multiple trailers & vehicles, doing various disciplines over the years - and never had one with a dressing room. They're great to have, but not an absolute necessity (I know my opinion is the minority one).

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  • demidq
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    Good for you, OP, you won't regret it. Don't hesitate tho or someone else will snap up your used Boeckmann!
    I had a 2 horse steel and aluminum bumper pull, then a 3 horse gooseneck (slant load) that I towed with a pick-up when my daughter was eventing. My Boeckmann is far easier to hook up, tow and back up,and horse likes it far better than the North American trailers we have used.
    Last edited by demidq; Jan. 9, 2020, 12:57 PM.

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  • Pehsness
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    Originally posted by spacehorse View Post
    I promise you will eventually want a dressing room...so I guess it depends on whether you do it now or later?
    Later 95% sure we've settled on the Boeckmann (spelling error finally realized!)

    demidq - I called Maple Lane and WOW. She was the most helpful person I have ever spoken with, even after disclosing that I was looking at a used trailer local to me.

    I'll use the empty horse stall as my dressing room for now. I am envisioning a curtain of some sort for privacy. But showing is such a way off in the future... it won't matter for a long time.

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  • spacehorse
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    I promise you will eventually want a dressing room...so I guess it depends on whether you do it now or later?

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  • Pehsness
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    Originally posted by demidq View Post
    Let us know what you get!
    Will do!

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