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  • #41
    Originally posted by HuffyPuffyHaffy View Post

    Yes actually I talked to people on facebook
    There fixed it. Sorry OP I saw your other threads but missed the melt down. I don’t think anyone thought poolside pony was a good thing. I mean yeah there were posters who didn’t say no out right but I’m guessing they thought you were an adult with way more experience.

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    • #42
      Originally posted by HuffyPuffyHaffy View Post

      Yes actually I talked to people on here and facebook
      Well, so what did they say?

      You seem intent on posting but haven't answered any of the questions I've seen in response? If you really don't want to engage in a discussion, why did you post?

      Here is my question - why not rescue an older horse from a kill pen? Why is an orphan foal or a weanling of interest to you?

      And since I missed the original post - what horse(s) do you have available to be the buddy to the foal/weanling? Because if the answer is "none" - that is the world's worst option for a baby. You are setting them up for failure.

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        #43
        Originally posted by S1969 View Post

        Well, so what did they say?

        You seem intent on posting but haven't answered any of the questions I've seen in response? If you really don't want to engage in a discussion, why did you post?

        Here is my question - why not rescue an older horse from a kill pen? Why is an orphan foal or a weanling of interest to you?

        And since I missed the original post - what horse(s) do you have available to be the buddy to the foal/weanling? Because if the answer is "none" - that is the world's worst option for a baby. You are setting them up for failure.
        I have two options for boarding and both have several options for companions until it is incorporated into the herd. I am also looking at yearlings and two year olds. I want something to train myself and when horses are around three that is typically when I have seen them broke

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        • #44
          Originally posted by HuffyPuffyHaffy View Post

          I have two options for boarding and both have several options for companions until it is incorporated into the herd. I am also looking at yearlings and two year olds. I want something to train myself and when horses are around three that is typically when I have seen them broke
          If that is so, why were you asking if your back yard would do for quarantine? You aren't making sense.
          You certainly are not in a position to train a young horse. Give it time. Keep learning.

          You have not answered questions about how your parents feel about this. I take it they are not horsey, or you wouldn't be asking here.
          Last edited by skydy; Jan. 1, 2020, 12:13 AM.

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          • #45
            Originally posted by HuffyPuffyHaffy View Post

            I have two options for boarding and both have several options for companions until it is incorporated into the herd. I am also looking at yearlings and two year olds. I want something to train myself and when horses are around three that is typically when I have seen them broke
            Training an unbroke horse isn't as easy as it sounds. What kind of training have you done so far? Presumably you have put some work on horses *in training* before undertaking a project like this? Have you ever worked around a trainer bringing along a young horse from the start? How will you know where to begin? (Who has trained you to do this?)

            Why do you want something to train yourself (from scratch)? Why not start with something already in training and put some finish on it?

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            • #46
              Guacamole. Stat. And unbox that wine.
              Frost Bite Falls

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              • #47
                Originally posted by S1969 View Post

                Training an unbroke horse isn't as easy as it sounds. What kind of training have you done so far? Presumably you have put some work on horses *in training* before undertaking a project like this? Have you ever worked around a trainer bringing along a young horse from the start? How will you know where to begin? (Who has trained you to do this?)

                Why do you want something to train yourself (from scratch)? Why not start with something already in training and put some finish on it?
                Ok, this is the opposite of what the OP wants you to say which is that obviously she needs TWO rescue babies, lol

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                • #48
                  Originally posted by HuffyPuffyHaffy View Post
                  I have two options for boarding and both have several options for companions until it is incorporated into the herd. I am also looking at yearlings and two year olds. I want something to train myself and when horses are around three that is typically when I have seen them broke
                  I'm sure you've been told that horses are trained (or untrained) every time you work with them--but this is even more true of weanlings who have SO much to learn even before you're ready to even think about "breaking" them. A weanling isn't a playmate for you. Nor should it just be left hanging around in a herd waiting to be old enough to ride.

                  A weanling needs to know how to interact correctly with humans and that knowledge must be reinforced every single day. Otherwise it will become a dangerous yearling whose chances of becoming a productive adult are significantly diminished.

                  OP, if you are determined to take on a weanling as a project I sincerely hope you engage the services of a trainer who is used to bringing along (very) young horses. Because that is a real recipe for disaster otherwise.
                  www.laurienberenson.com

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                  • #49
                    If I recall correctly, in the deleted thread the OP claimed to have 'trained' a weanling 'perfectly' when the OP was a 10-y-o. So the OP is 'experienced'. From a certain point of view. (Never mind that in that timeline that weanling would now be only a 2-y-o and presumably still unridden)
                    No matter where you go, there you are

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                    • #50
                      Hey, O.P., it sounds like you have a trainer who wants to help guide you!

                      All of of the things you learn by working with horses you don’t own are a gift to the horse you eventually do own, it’s like making deposits in the bank of horsemanship. If you “cash in” your savings early, you don’t have much to work with...the more you save up, the better job you will do.

                      One of the things that all of us old coots posting here have in common is that we’ve been in your shoes...we were horse-crazy kids who had some experience under our belt and felt SUPER ready to take on an exciting project. This was before we got to the more “advanced” point in the school of hard knocks where are you find out that the more you know, the more you realize you don’t know. It is very humbling. We have all really screwed up some horses and we are trying to save you from following in our muddy footprints.

                      It is wonderful that you are so self-motivated, and that will get you far.
                      Direct that (for now) towards becoming a skill and information sponge!

                      It is clear that you really love horses, and you can let that love fuel your desire to do THE BEST JOB you can with a horse when you get it. That means getting more knowledge, skills and practice with other horses first.

                      I suggest that you ask for a meeting with your trainer, and come with a list of your goals, and one big QUESTION for her (details below).
                      Write down the things you want to achieve with horses, short and long term. Riding goals, training goals, horsemanship goals.

                      Then, ask her to write down what main (top ten) skills she feels you need to develop before buying a horse is a good idea. Give her several days to get this done, she’s probably a busy person.

                      Then go to work.
                      Keep a journal.
                      Start collecting horse care stuff.
                      show your trainer that you want to learn.
                      see if a local breeder could use some volunteer work around their place...learn about young horses.

                      DOORS OPEN if you show that you are truly motivated to learn, follow directions, and stay humble.

                      I recently had a 16-year-old girl into my barn with her pony. She is working off her lessons by doing stalls two times per week.
                      She is always on time.
                      She always asks if there’s anything else I need help with.
                      She does a great job
                      She is very kind to her pony.
                      After two months of the above,
                      I have offered to sponsor her on a beautiful Welsh Pony I have, ready to go back to work after a long break. I am going to give her free lessons on him, and pay for some local show fees. In return, she has to commit to working with him the minimum of three or four times per week.

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                      • #51
                        OP,
                        Here is the Pony I mentioned.
                        Seek more knowledge for now, store that up so you can do a great job with your first horse. The time will pass quickly.
                        I think you are not quite ready yet, but everything you do with your trainer’s horses (or another trainer’s horses) will get you there....

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                          #52
                          Originally posted by S1969 View Post

                          Training an unbroke horse isn't as easy as it sounds. What kind of training have you done so far? Presumably you have put some work on horses *in training* before undertaking a project like this? Have you ever worked around a trainer bringing along a young horse from the start? How will you know where to begin? (Who has trained you to do this?)

                          Why do you want something to train yourself (from scratch)? Why not start with something already in training and put some finish on it?
                          I know it's not easy. I have trained several horses so far and am working on one right now. My trainer who has taught me to ride properly is the one that has taught me to train.

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                            #53
                            Arlomine your horse is gorgeous

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                              #54
                              Originally posted by Arlomine View Post
                              Hey, O.P., it sounds like you have a trainer who wants to help guide you!

                              All of of the things you learn by working with horses you don’t own are a gift to the horse you eventually do own, it’s like making deposits in the bank of horsemanship. If you “cash in” your savings early, you don’t have much to work with...the more you save up, the better job you will do.

                              One of the things that all of us old coots posting here have in common is that we’ve been in your shoes...we were horse-crazy kids who had some experience under our belt and felt SUPER ready to take on an exciting project. This was before we got to the more “advanced” point in the school of hard knocks where are you find out that the more you know, the more you realize you don’t know. It is very humbling. We have all really screwed up some horses and we are trying to save you from following in our muddy footprints.

                              It is wonderful that you are so self-motivated, and that will get you far.
                              Direct that (for now) towards becoming a skill and information sponge!

                              It is clear that you really love horses, and you can let that love fuel your desire to do THE BEST JOB you can with a horse when you get it. That means getting more knowledge, skills and practice with other horses first.

                              I suggest that you ask for a meeting with your trainer, and come with a list of your goals, and one big QUESTION for her (details below).
                              Write down the things you want to achieve with horses, short and long term. Riding goals, training goals, horsemanship goals.

                              Then, ask her to write down what main (top ten) skills she feels you need to develop before buying a horse is a good idea. Give her several days to get this done, she’s probably a busy person.

                              Then go to work.
                              Keep a journal.
                              Start collecting horse care stuff.
                              show your trainer that you want to learn.
                              see if a local breeder could use some volunteer work around their place...learn about young horses.

                              DOORS OPEN if you show that you are truly motivated to learn, follow directions, and stay humble.

                              I recently had a 16-year-old girl into my barn with her pony. She is working off her lessons by doing stalls two times per week.
                              She is always on time.
                              She always asks if there’s anything else I need help with.
                              She does a great job
                              She is very kind to her pony.
                              After two months of the above,
                              I have offered to sponsor her on a beautiful Welsh Pony I have, ready to go back to work after a long break. I am going to give her free lessons on him, and pay for some local show fees. In return, she has to commit to working with him the minimum of three or four times per week.
                              Thank you for the suggestions However my trainer is kinda tight in the wallet right now. Her husband went behind her back and got two horses. And another horse got abandoned by her owner and the horse had already had a pretty bad life and wasn't Going to risk it happening again so she just kept her. We give her money whenever we can.

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                              • #55
                                Not sure what trainer’s personal finances have to do with her mentoring you?
                                It is not going to cost me much more than simply supporting my pony, which I am already doing, and I want to support my Student in her journey.
                                Possibly it’s time to expand your horizons and find a trainer who has a program with many levels of participation...including working-students.

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                                  #56
                                  Originally posted by Arlomine View Post
                                  Not sure what trainer’s personal finances have to do with her mentoring you?
                                  It is not going to cost me much more than simply supporting my pony, which I am already doing, and I want to support my Student in her journey.
                                  Possibly it’s time to expand your horizons and find a trainer who has a program with many levels of participation...including working-students.
                                  What I am trying to say is that she can't afford to support me right now or deduct any board. That is why I am thinking of boarding with a close friend that also boards the horse I am training

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                                  • #57
                                    Originally posted by HuffyPuffyHaffy View Post

                                    Thank you for the suggestions However my trainer is kinda tight in the wallet right now. Her husband went behind her back and got two horses. And another horse got abandoned by her owner and the horse had already had a pretty bad life and wasn't Going to risk it happening again so she just kept her. We give her money whenever we can.
                                    OP has said that the trainer is at a barn that is 100% rescue horses. Now we get the information that the barn is not making a profit and may be a bit of a hoarding situation.

                                    I say this because a quality lesson barn tends to have retired kids' show horses rather than rescue horses, to be a smart about not adding uneeded or unplanned horses to the feed bill, and to have figured out how to have stable revenue.

                                    To do the OP justice she may be basing many of her ideas on horse care from a marginal "lesson barn"/ rescue hoarder.

                                    ​This is often the kind of place incidentally that will let an unsupervised tween "train" horses. And also exploit lower income tweens and teens for unpaid barn work.

                                    In other words OP might be right in wanting to put some distance in here. OP may also have never seen any coherent training or lesson program in action

                                    ​​​​​​OP, if you want to improve your horse skills, go find a better barn where the horses know how to do a job and the trainers have their horse business figured out. Go find a good barn, take lessons or barter for lessons, and after a year evaluate what you want to do next.

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