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WWYD - she didn't get out my horse! (long rant, sorry)

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  • #81
    Again, that's your personal opinion. It doesn't make it wrong, just different.

    Personally, I would rather see horses in SoCal that are healthy and well cared for than a potentially unpleasant alternative for them.
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    • #82
      Originally posted by Cloverbarley View Post
      I wouldn't go so far as to say that no-one should own a horse in SoCal, however I would never keep a horse there. If I were to move to SoCal, not having horses would be my compromise.
      Likewise, it would be one of the many, many reasons why I'd never move to southern California.
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      • #83
        I don't really have any facts she lied.
        Yes, you do. She told you she rode 4 times and then changed it to 2.

        I wouldn't let this person anywhere near my horse again for any reason.

        As to those who are shocked by the lack of t/o, I guess you don't show much and aren't around big show barns.
        Show me your horse and I will tell you who you are.

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        • #84
          I don't generally jump in on things like this, but...

          Seriously? This is all so passive. Texting is not the way to indicate to someone that you want to seriously ask them about something. Go over to this person's house, sit down, and just tell her what's on your mind:

          "Susie, I need to ask you about the days I was away. I noticed Pony's tack didn't seem used, and he was stocked up. You told me you got him out everyday, and then later told me it was only xx days. I'm confused about what's going on, and just want to get things straight. If you didn't ride Pony/ get him out of the stall those days, it's better for all of us if I know that. If you did work with him, I need to look into what could be causing him to stock up like this."

          Give her a very clear opportunity to tell the truth. Texting is a really impersonal medium, and it's easier to kind of blow things off that way-- particularly if she might be feeling awkward or bad about something.

          Just be calm about it when you speak to her-- if she did lie, there's really no need to freak out at her; simply change her access to the horse. Maybe this means she doesn't get to ride him at all, maybe it means she can ride under your supervision only. Only you can decide what you think consequences should be, but you'll get a lot further with the situation if you're calm, straightforward and face-to-face.

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          • #85
            Originally posted by HappyVagrant View Post
            But since you are hung up on your gut feeling and are not interested in trying to determine what actually happened or even in talking to her directly to see if her reactions back up your gut feeling... just do whatever your gut is saying.

            I think you want people to tell you not to let her ride, so I'll do that for you: don't let her ride.

            If she's lying, you don't want her on your horse.

            If she's telling the truth, she deserves to find an owner who will discuss and resolve issues with her directly, instead of asking total strangers to make a decision for you based on your gut feelings.
            This!

            I find it interesting that you are more than willing to tar and feather her before you are willing to say 'gee, it sure was nice of her to clean everything while I was away'.

            Ya know, people who ride your horse all the time that do not clean your stuff might just do something differently when they are taking care of your horse while you are away. Like clean your tack.

            Just a thought.

            Originally posted by bird4416 View Post
            When the kid comes out to ride again, check out the way she leaves your tack.
            This is silly, read above.


            I read back thru the way too long thread and I am not sure of the wording. But they OP seems to use getting out and riding interchangeably in some cases and not in others.

            Did the young lady who is being accused originally say she rode the horse every day or that she got him out every day?


            The original post in this thread was posted two days ago. The OP says she is at the barn every day and there are two professionals there that the OP says are there all the time, but no post stating that the OP has now talked to them to confirm what went on with her horse one way or the other. Hmmm....

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              #86
              Originally posted by trubandloki View Post
              This!

              I find it interesting that you are more than willing to tar and feather her before you are willing to say 'gee, it sure was nice of her to clean everything while I was away'.

              Ya know, people who ride your horse all the time that do not clean your stuff might just do something differently when they are taking care of your horse while you are away. Like clean your tack.

              Just a thought.



              This is silly, read above.


              I read back thru the way too long thread and I am not sure of the wording. But they OP seems to use getting out and riding interchangeably in some cases and not in others.

              Did the young lady who is being accused originally say she rode the horse every day or that she got him out every day?


              The original post in this thread was posted two days ago. The OP says she is at the barn every day and there are two professionals there that the OP says are there all the time, but no post stating that the OP has now talked to them to confirm what went on with her horse one way or the other. Hmmm....
              I DO go down to the barn daily. I go down in the evening though because I am one of those people who has to go to a thing called work 9am-6pm. Most trainers seem to work those hours as well so I miss seeing them on the weekdays for the most part unless they are down there late one night. I will however see them this weekend and will be talking to them then. I believe I mentioned I'd be talking to the girls trainer on Sunday along with the girl (after their lesson) and making sure we're all clear on the few rules I ask.

              1) No jumping without a trainer
              2) Getting him out when she commits to it

              Also the tack wasn't just clean, it was dusty, like it had been sitting there for a couple days unused but still clean from when I cleaned it the day before I left.
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                #87
                Originally posted by Dressagelvr View Post
                Yes, you do. She told you she rode 4 times and then changed it to 2.

                I wouldn't let this person anywhere near my horse again for any reason.

                As to those who are shocked by the lack of t/o, I guess you don't show much and aren't around big show barns.
                Exactly and this is a whole other topic that's being started. I could name a handful of well known and respected riders/trainers who operate out of Southern California and their horses are boarded in the same conditions. Sure, it's not ideal but I wouldn't be so quick to say that they (we) are doing wrong and that the horses are all unhappy.
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                • #88
                  I haven't waded through all the replies here, so sorry if I am echoing anyone.
                  Your post title asks: WWYD?

                  Then the first sentence in it reads: "I went out of town for 4 days last week and gave the opportunity to a girl who rides my horse on a regular basis to watch him."



                  Did you pay her to take care of him? Or to ride him? Or was this a hey, you wanna ride while I am gone?

                  Now personally, I don't believe in assuming anything of anyone without it being said and clear as to what is expected, nor do I have great faith in people keeping their word without the benefit of paid incentive to back up their actions. And even that isn't perfect.
                  I once had a person that I had paid in advance (stupid me)not feed my horse dinner for three days, so I learned the hard way not to depend on anyone exclusively. In that instance, I was glad I had hired a second person for morning feed, turnout and care because she did what she was supposed to do.

                  If I am going away, and I am in a barn where my horse isn't automatically getting out, I would arrange for turnout/exercise independantly of what sounds like a "Hey you want to ride while I'm gone" scenario. That may mean ponying up a couple bucks for someone reliable to do it for you.
                  I would never rely on a casual, non paid person to handle things the way I want.
                  And that's what I would do.
                  Your mileage may vary.

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                    #89
                    Originally posted by To the MAX View Post
                    Honestly, if your horse spends 23 hours a day in a stall anyway, the extra one isn't gonna do him much damage. It's not like he's used to being out 24/7 and he was going crazy locked up while you were away. And you've already passed on the chance to be upfront with the girl about it. So, next time just be more careful who you choose to work with your horse while you're gone.
                    It actually does make a difference. He is a very easy going lazy WB, but the few times he has stayed in for a full 24 hours (like when I've been super sick) he can get nutty and will have a lot of steam he needs to blow off.

                    He has to be exercised daily in some form; either by a ride, chased in the turn out or lunged. Just enough to get him a little sweaty and breathing a little harder.

                    I also said I ride him for at least an hour, but we also cruise around the stables and I put him in an arena to hang out while I do my barn chores. I'd say on average, he is out about 3 hours daily. Still not a lot compared to your lucky pasture horses but it's probably more than what the other 499 horses at my barn are getting out for.

                    Luckily after being in for 4 days he did not go absolutely bonkers and hurt himself trying to get that energy out. We are having a heatwave here so I guess he realized running around like a nut would be a lot of work.
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                      #90
                      Originally posted by Lady Counselor View Post
                      I haven't waded through all the replies here, so sorry if I am echoing anyone.
                      Your post title asks: WWYD?

                      Then the first sentence in it reads: "I went out of town for 4 days last week and gave the opportunity to a girl who rides my horse on a regular basis to watch him."



                      Did you pay her to take care of him? Or to ride him? Or was this a hey, you wanna ride while I am gone?

                      Now personally, I don't believe in assuming anything of anyone without it being said and clear as to what is expected, nor do I have great faith in people keeping their word without the benefit of paid incentive to back up their actions. And even that isn't perfect.
                      I once had a person that I had paid in advance (stupid me)not feed my horse dinner for three days, so I learned the hard way not to depend on anyone exclusively. In that instance, I was glad I had hired a second person for morning feed, turnout and care because she did what she was supposed to do.

                      If I am going away, and I am in a barn where my horse isn't automatically getting out, I would arrange for turnout/exercise independantly of what sounds like a "Hey you want to ride while I'm gone" scenario. That may mean ponying up a couple bucks for someone reliable to do it for you.
                      I would never rely on a casual, non paid person to handle things the way I want.
                      And that's what I would do.
                      Your mileage may vary.
                      Yup and I guess that is my mistake. Next time I will either have my mom do it or pay my trainer who always took care of him when I was away in the past. Definitely.

                      This girl (actually young lady) has been riding him since June about 3 times a week. Always seemed super excited to ride him and talks all the time about how much she loves him. I thought she'd be happy to spend 4 days with him and gave her the opportunity to do so, which she jumped at the opportunity to do. I told her which days she could watch him and her response was all, so I trusted her in getting him out every day then. I had no reason to believe she wouldn't, but I will definitely be cautious about it now and never rely on her to be his only form of exercise for the day.
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                      • #91
                        Originally posted by Dressagelvr View Post

                        As to those who are shocked by the lack of t/o, I guess you don't show much and aren't around big show barns.
                        What a strange thing to assume . We show every week, often twice a week, and our horses have 24/7 turnout. Most of my fields are 10 acres and have around 7 horses per field. I don't think we are by any means unusual, I think it is probably a huge minority of horse owners who keep their horses in a stall for 23 hours a day.

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                        • #92
                          Originally posted by Mimi La Rue View Post
                          Exactly and this is a whole other topic that's being started. I could name a handful of well known and respected riders/trainers who operate out of Southern California and their horses are boarded in the same conditions. Sure, it's not ideal but I wouldn't be so quick to say that they (we) are doing wrong and that the horses are all unhappy.
                          I could name much more than a handful of respected world class riders and trainers who do not keep their horses in the same conditions as horses are kept in SoCal.

                          I don't think it is wrong or that these horses are unhappy. I said the horses know no better, but I do know better hence I would forego owning horses if I had no option but to keep them like that.

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                          • #93
                            Laugh.

                            Sorry, it is funny when detail evolve as the thread grows.

                            Now the tack was dusty.



                            I can not imagine why you are letting someone who you are so very sure lied to you so directly still ride your horse?

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                            • #94
                              Originally posted by Trixie View Post
                              Out of curiosity, would you people rather a horse be, say, INSIDE and well taken care of and regularly exercised, or would you prefer that the majority of the horse owning population of southern California never have horses?

                              Given that there are more horses than there are homes, I would certainly prefer to see them well cared for and in then the alternative.

                              Mine are out 24/7, but I'm in Virginia. I'd encourage some of you to realize, though, that your way is not the only way.
                              i totally agree--wasn't against the situation (didn't realize she lived in LA)....totally assumed like most stalled horses there was "some" time for turnout. Well cared for inside is obviously better than ignored outside 24/7
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                              • #95
                                In SoCal "getting out" basically means anything you can possibly do to get the horse out of the box for whatever length of time you can manage. Ride, walk, turnout, trail - anything. "Did Dobbin get out yesterday?" literally means, did anybody do ANYTHING with him, or will I have a wild beast that's been locked up solid for 30 hours?

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                                  #96
                                  Originally posted by dags View Post
                                  In SoCal "getting out" basically means anything you can possibly do to get the horse out of the box for whatever length of time you can manage. Ride, walk, turnout, trail - anything. "Did Dobbin get out yesterday?" literally means, did anybody do ANYTHING with him, or will I have a wild beast that's been locked up solid for 30 hours?

                                  Don't miss February in SoCal. Torrential downpours for weeks on end and it's all you can do just to handwalk 30 nutcases so they don't rip down the damn barn.
                                  LOL totally!

                                  As for rainy days, as funny at this sounds to have in SoCal, we have 3 covered arenas at my barn. You know, for those maybe 7-10 days max it rains yearly.

                                  I also guess it works to ride in shade away from the summer sun. That pesky sun!

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                                    #97
                                    Originally posted by trubandloki View Post
                                    Laugh.

                                    Sorry, it is funny when detail evolve as the thread grows.

                                    Now the tack was dusty.



                                    I can not imagine why you are letting someone who you are so very sure lied to you so directly still ride your horse?
                                    Yup forgot to mention the tack was dusty in the first long rant. Clean but dusty as in it had been sitting a couple days unused. I even saw a cobweb on the bridle and martingale. Serious! I got out my white glove when I got home and inspected everything once I saw his stocked up legs, clean as hell legs boots and saddle pad without a hair or sweat stain all sitting how I left it.

                                    If I get the hunch of her lying again, I will be done. I am just going to keep an eye on things and never rely on her to be the only way my horse gets out now. She is supposed to ride today. When I go down later I will get him out again.
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                                    • #98
                                      Originally posted by Mimi La Rue View Post

                                      Luckily after being in for 4 days he did not go absolutely bonkers and hurt himself trying to get that energy out. We are having a heatwave here so I guess he realized running around like a nut would be a lot of work.

                                      So maybe she did get him out but didn't do it by riding him.
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