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  • #61
    Originally posted by Daydream Believer View Post
    Here is what the OP was on that thread on the other forum...put on your foil hats before reading!

    The attached draft of the NAIS Business Plan is provided by the American Horse
    Council [AHC] and provides insight into the recommended involvement of horses in an
    involuntary identification program.
    Um.... given that this is supposedly a government plan, why are they calling it a business plan?

    I do know a lot of people - chip makers, database consultants - are very excited about the income potential.
    If you are allergic to a thing, it is best not to put that thing in your mouth, particularly if the thing is cats. - Lemony Snicket

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    • #62
      Originally posted by chism View Post
      Here in Massachusetts all stable owners received a letter from the state saying that they were organizing a state database & if we did not notify them of our desire to withdraw our information, then they would automatically add us to the NAIS database. The letter gave us 30 days from the date of the letter to withdraw and took 20 days to get to us... Hmmmm?! One of the things I read about NAIS that I found really disturbing was something about a kill zone. If an animal in any given area comes down with a disease considered to be detrimental to the industry or humans, then the government holds a right to kill ALL animals in a given zone whether they're infected or not, if I remember correctly this zone can be up to 8 miles. This is very scary stuff indeed.
      This is the real reason for NAIS - so they know how many corpses to count on your property before they leave.

      They may be a little more reluctant to use it for horses than they have been for other animals, though EIA is of course a test-and-slaughter disease. But absolutely this is SOP for chickens, sheep, and cattle, even if you might be willing to isolate or nurse your animals and even if they are currently healthy - being near infected animals was a death sentence for hundreds of thousands of birds, including small pet flocks, due to Exotic Newcastle disease.

      Of course, nothing like inspectors visiting farms door-to-door to spread disease.
      If you are allergic to a thing, it is best not to put that thing in your mouth, particularly if the thing is cats. - Lemony Snicket

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      • #63
        From the country that brought you the Telescreen and the Thought Police.

        It won't stop at animals. From Sunday's (13 Jan 2008) U.K. Independent
        ------------------------------------------------------------
        But all the finest horsemen out—the men to Beat the Band—
        You’ll find amongst the crowd that ride their races in the Stand

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        • #64
          google www.defra.gov.org.uk

          its more or less the same as we have already which came into play in 2004

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          • #65
            Originally posted by poltroon View Post
            This is the real reason for NAIS - so they know how many corpses to count on your property before they leave.

            They may be a little more reluctant to use it for horses than they have been for other animals, though EIA is of course a test-and-slaughter disease. But absolutely this is SOP for chickens, sheep, and cattle, even if you might be willing to isolate or nurse your animals and even if they are currently healthy - being near infected animals was a death sentence for hundreds of thousands of birds, including small pet flocks, due to Exotic Newcastle disease.

            Of course, nothing like inspectors visiting farms door-to-door to spread disease.
            THis is SO true. Thank goodness we didn't get Newcastle's here, but I was living in fear for my Cockatoos as we live in an area where lots of people keep free range Guinneas as a means of tick control .... including us.

            Anyone who has NOT read about what happened in CA, NV, and a couple other states needs to look it up ... REALLY scary .... Thousands of birds destroyed without testing and the vast majority that were tested after the fact came back NEGATIVE. Something similar happened to a game farm somewhere east (W. VA comes to mind, as does some types of pigs, but I could be wrong). All the animals, including pets who were nowhere near those that were 'supposed' to be infected with something, were destroyed .... testing AFTER destruction proved to be NEGATIVE on ALL the animals including those 'suspected' of being infected with whatever it was that got the USDA involved.

            Yes, in CA especially, those people hired by the USDA to go door to door were quite often observed and REPORTED to be NOT following correct procedures to prevent cross property contamination. Those hired to do the euthanizing also were NOT properly trained. They used carbon DIoxide, NOT carbon MONoxide. The latter is too dangerous to the human administrators, and the former can cause extreme pain when administered too quickly. Birds ... including pets ... were traumatized and shoved into plastic bags and the CO2 administered too quickly while the birds often shreiked in terror and pain and often their sobbing owners having to watch it. The owners were NOT permitted to have a licensed veterenarian humanely put their birds down. The USDA feared the vets would spread the disease ... go figure! THere is extensive documentation of all this, from numerous sites and owners from the states involved, saved on cocka2.com.

            Another scary fact from the Newcastle's fiasco .... owners were NOT made aware that there were disease outbreaks near them. Often they found out only when the quarantine notice arrived. The USDA's reasoning was that they might try to 'run' if they knew it was nearby. It never entered the USDA's collective psyche that forewarned people might actually be able to put biosecurity measures in place to help slow the progress of the disease. Not even feed establishments, etc. were made aware and, with no biosecurity measures in place ... because noone knew ... virus was spread on people's shoes, vehicle tires (including feed delivery truck tires), etc.
            Sharon
            Larapinta Sport Horses
            Arab Eventers

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            • #66
              That was the case before NAIS - but with NAIS it will be even worse.

              Last winter we had a very very minor outbreak of EHV-1. So I got to see exactly how our State Vet handles "outbreaks".

              I assumed that they'd at least be able to read a friggin' map. I have never seen such gross incompetence. They canceled a local point to point that was miles away from the affected horse - because the point to point had the NAME of the town in which the horse was located. They didn't look at a map to figure out where the sick horse was in relation to local horse activities.

              Auctions, trail rides, lessons, vets going from barn to barn.... no cautions went out, no information went out.... nothing. By the time they got a handle on the problem - the "outbreak" had been contained and resolved long ago - by nothing more than standard protocols the affected barn already had in place.

              It was a complete clusterfu**.

              Now.... had that been a disease that required herd eradication..... animals would have been killed that were nowhere near the sick animal.

              All because some bureaucrat couldn't read a map.

              Y'all would love how the USDA carries out herd eradication, by the way. Stuffing chickens into wood chippers..... alive. It's pretty draconian stuff - and the animal owner has NO recourse. There is no due process, there is no appeal, there is no way for the owner to stop the gubmint from killing their animals. Even if they can prove the gubmint has targeted the wrong facility, or their animals cannot carry the contagion.... doesn't matter.

              A citizen is entitled to compensation for the animals killed; but the value of a horse is more than slaughter price; usually. Try getting 50K from the USDA for your showjumper that was shot by a USDA employee.

              Hopefully - none of that will happen.

              poltroon - I agree with you about how some businesses are going to thrive. If a person is into the stock market, they'd be investing in the storage industry. Storage, chip manufacturers, etc. It seems to be the wave of the future.

              I'm starting to understand why the Amish don't want to be part of this world. Yuck.
              Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
              Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
              -Rudyard Kipling

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              • #67
                If you want to feel even less good about this program, you can read the book Mad Sheep: http://www.chelseagreen.com/2006/items/madsheep

                It's an eye-opening true story of a small family farm in VT and their experiences with the USDA...
                The aids are the legs, the hands, the weight of the rider, the whip, the caress, the voice and the use of extraneous circumstances. ~ General Decarpentry
                www.reflectionsonriding.com

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by larapintavian View Post
                  Something similar happened to a game farm somewhere east (W. VA comes to mind, as does some types of pigs, but I could be wrong). All the animals, including pets who were nowhere near those that were 'supposed' to be infected with something, were destroyed .... testing AFTER destruction proved to be NEGATIVE on ALL the animals including those 'suspected' of being infected with whatever it was that got the USDA involved.
                  That happened in Central Virginia near Buckingham (Lynchburg) and some folks I know involved in our breed registry are friends with the family that it happened to. They came and killed their entire herd of pigs to include their pet pigs who were completely separated from the group suspected of having rabies. There was no quarantine offered and no option given to have the animals checked before they were shot. Simply unbelievable. The bit about the birds is just horrible. I did not know about that.

                  I just can't imagine having someone come onto your property and start killing animals without any just cause or even having them examined first. They will have to shoot me first as I am armed and I will try to stop them.

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                  • #69
                    This has been going on always. This ranch was started in 1910.
                    Grandma came from a family that had bought land around here in 1901 and had 200 cows on it.
                    In 1904, they found out some of those cows had brucellosis when they aborted.
                    The govermnent then dug a ditch and killed all the cows and there was no indemnity payments then, so they could not buy other cows.
                    They had to sell out and moved to town, where they opened a mercantile store.

                    Any time there is a serious disease outbreak, be it in people, think plague in the middle ages, where people were quarantined until they died, or animals killed, to prevent the spread of contagious diseases, that is the way things are done and yes, many times bungled doing it.

                    How about England and foot and mouth disease?

                    Bungling or not, we need to think that we would be much worse off if a disease did spread without control.

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                    • #70
                      Oh - I don't have any trouble with disease control.

                      Decimation isn't disease control; it's laziness and ineptitude. And if the gubmint is going to come onto my land without a warrant, and I, as a citizen, am not permitted due process as guaranteed by our Constitution, they'd better not screw up.

                      Perhaps I just have a very high standard, but in this day and age, there is simply no reason or excuse for the USDA to make an error. We know too much about how disease spreads, how it can be contained, biohazard precautions we can take to have such a medieval approach.

                      It's almost 2010; not 1910.
                      Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
                      Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
                      -Rudyard Kipling

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                      • #71
                        There are a lot of things going on now in terms of farming that were not going on a hundred years ago -- http://www.organicconsumers.org/Toxic/factoryfarm.cfm.

                        Many of the practices of factory farming pose a tremendous risk of disease (like mad cow disease).

                        Of course, since agribusinesses drafted the NAIS legislation and will make themselves exempt from its financial burden (if you have 30,000 chickens, one tag will do), NAIS won't be protecting any of us from the diseases directly traceable to factory farms.
                        The aids are the legs, the hands, the weight of the rider, the whip, the caress, the voice and the use of extraneous circumstances. ~ General Decarpentry
                        www.reflectionsonriding.com

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by His Greyness View Post
                          It won't stop at animals. From Sunday's (13 Jan 2008) U.K. Independent
                          Wow... that's creepy.

                          First they came for the Communists,
                          and I didn't speak up,
                          because I wasn't a Communist.
                          Then they came for the Social Democrats,
                          and I didn't speak up,
                          because I wasn't a Social Democrat.
                          Then they came for the Trade Unionists,
                          and I didn't speak up,
                          because I wasn't a Trade Unionist.
                          Then they came for the Jews,
                          and I didn't speak up,
                          because I wasn't a Jew,
                          Then they came for me,
                          and by that time there was no one
                          left to speak up for me.

                          Martin Niemoller
                          \"For all those men who say, \"Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free,\" here\'s an update for you: Nowadays 80% of women are against marriage. Why? Because women realize it\'s not worth buying an entire pig just to get a little sausage.\"-

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Sakura View Post
                            Wow... that's creepy.

                            First they came for the Communists,
                            and I didn't speak up,
                            because I wasn't a Communist.
                            Then they came for the Social Democrats,
                            and I didn't speak up,
                            because I wasn't a Social Democrat.
                            Then they came for the Trade Unionists,
                            and I didn't speak up,
                            because I wasn't a Trade Unionist.
                            Then they came for the Jews,
                            and I didn't speak up,
                            because I wasn't a Jew,
                            Then they came for me,
                            and by that time there was no one
                            left to speak up for me.

                            Martin Niemoller
                            Tin foil hats come in handy, really.

                            That is the way many feel about certain animal rights group's activities.

                            First this, then that and before you know, what you do with your animals, innocuous it seems to you, will also be questionable and your rights to it terminated summarily, as we saw others being terminated.

                            You support curtailing other's rights, like banning horse slaughter and so making those groups pushing for it even more powerful, at the risk of later YOUR rights of owning and doing what YOU want being attacked.

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                            • #74
                              Interesting column about NAIS. Note the sex offender reference!

                              http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=59646

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                              • #75
                                The Virginia Independent Consumers and Farmers Association is having a "Legislative Brunch and Grassroots Lobbying" event this Tuesday, January 15th at the General Assembly Building. VICFA is submitting legislation this year in 3 key areas; one of these is an anti-NAIS bill (No NAIS is a major focus of VICFA).

                                Please see www.vicfa.net for details, and consider attending and helping out with the brunch and grassroots lobbying!
                                If thou hast a sorrow, tell it not to the arrow, tell it to thy saddlebow, and ride on, singing. -- King Alfred the Great

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                                • #76
                                  Sorry this is long!

                                  A little some thing from DownSizeDC about Real ID that reminded me of NAIS after all it’s the same thing isn’t it:

                                  Quote of the Day:

                                  "Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied."
                                  -- Otto Von Bismark

                                  Subject: What's the REAL (ID) story?

                                  A headline in the "L.A. Times" trumpets the news that the REAL ID national identification system has been postponed for 5 years. Glory be! Hurray! Are we on the road to victory?

                                  Read further and you'll learn that starting this May you won't be able to board an airplane if you live in a state that's resisting the implementation of REAL ID. So . . .

                                  Does it really matter that the official launch of REAL ID has been postponed if it's going to start harming innocent people as soon as this May?

                                  This is typical of the "Alice in Wonderland" way government works. They postpone things they are really starting now. They cancel things they are really expanding. And they cut costs by spending more money.

                                  Of course, the Department of Homeland Security claims you'll be able to fly anyway come May if you live in one of the rebellious states. All you have to do is file some paperwork. Glory be! Hurray!

                                  Meanwhile the Feds are months behind on granting passports to people who filed paperwork, and innocent Americans who also filed paperwork still can't get off the Terrorist Watch List, which has swollen to more than 750,000 names. All hail good government!

                                  And the good news continues . . .

                                  The Terrorist Watch List was riddled with security flaws that exposed people's personal identity information to potential theft. The contract to create the software was awarded in a typical no-bid procedure the standards for which were written to exclude all companies but one. This company happened to be run by people who were friends of the bureaucrat in charge of the project. All hail good government!

                                  But don't worry, REAL ID will be different! Except . . .

                                  Oops! Jim Harper, the go-to guy on this issue at the Cato Institute, reports that the Department of Homeland Security has wasted $300 million dollars on programs that they've had to cancel for failure to comply with privacy regulations.

                                  Well, at least the programs were stopped, even if the money was wasted. Shouldn't that give us a little confidence that REAL ID will be secure? Well, as Jim Harper also reports, federal judges will be excluded from REAL ID because . . . drum roll . . . it may not be secure.

                                  We could go on. The Feds have slowly reduced the estimated cost of REAL ID to make it more acceptable, but we should know by now that federal programs always cost more than projected, not less. And money to implement REAL ID is being allocated to state governments based not on what it will really cost, but to serve as a carrot for cooperative states, and a stick to those that are not.
                                  Well, maybe it isn’t too late when you look at how slowly NAIS is being implemented. I decided to hit every state AG site and see how hard they are pushing NAIS; many of the states havn’t been aggressively pursuing it. As far as I know all have taken funds from the USDA to implement the program so I don’t think any state is safe by any means but at this point there is no way they could go online with a tracking system; just not enough data yet.

                                  Of course this would explain why the USDA is seeking to gain data from other sources such as breed registries. Any how here is a list by state of what I found. An asterisk next to a state means I could not find any way to sign up for NAIS on the site. A “Yes” means I found NAIS activity on the site. If anyone has more to contribute please do so and I will update my list.

                                  Alabama http://www.agi.alabama.gov/premises-...HUaCll7kF0uxlw Yes!

                                  Alaska http://www.dec.state.ak.us/eh/vet/nais.htm Yes!

                                  Arizona http://www.azda.gov/Main/animalID.htm Yes!

                                  Arkansas http://www.arlpc.org/avpis.asp Yes!

                                  California http://www.californiaid.org/ Yes!

                                  Colorado http://www.colorado.gov/cs/Satellite...me=CDAGWrapper Yes!

                                  *Connecticut http://www.ct.gov/doag/site/default.asp No sign of participation

                                  *Delaware http://dda.delaware.gov/ No sign of participation

                                  Florida http://www.doacs.state.fl.us/ai/adc/adc_nais.shtml The Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services is now participating in the USDA sponsored National Animal Identification System (NAIS). Anyone requesting a Florida Equine Card will be required to register the location where their horse resides. Hmm sounds like its mandatory!

                                  Georgia http://agr.georgia.gov/00/article/0,...051091,00.html Form listed but no other mention.

                                  Hawaii http://www.hawaiiag.org/hdoa/ai-hapis.htm Yes!

                                  Idaho http://www.idahoag.us/Categories/Ani...cationmain.php Yes!

                                  Illinois http://www.agr.state.il.us/premiseid/ Yes! Required for exhibition at all 2008 county, state, 4-H and FFA fairs in Illinois.

                                  Indiana http://www.in.gov/boah/premiseid/ Yes! Site sounds like participation is mandatory.

                                  Iowa http://www.agriculture.state.ia.us/premiseID.htm Yes!

                                  Kansas http://www.kansas.gov/kahd/premise/ Yes!

                                  Kentucky http://www.kyagr.com/statevet/nais/index.htm Yes!

                                  Louisiana http://www.ldaf.state.la.us/divisions/ahs/premises.asp Yes!

                                  Maine http://www.idmaine.info/register.html Yes!

                                  Maryland http://www.mda.state.md.us/animal_health/nais/index.php Yes!

                                  Massachusetts http://www.mass.gov/agr/animalhealth/nais/index.htm Yes!

                                  Michigan http://www.michigan.gov/mda/0,1607,7...1462--,00.html Yes! Mandatory for cattle

                                  Minnesota http://www.bah.state.mn.us/bah/nais/registration.html Yes!

                                  Mississippi http://www.mbah.state.ms.us/AnimalID.htm Yes! No mention of NAIS in brochures!

                                  Missouri http://www.mda.mo.gov/animalID/index.html Yes!

                                  Montana http://mt.gov/liv/animalhealth/NAIS/NAIS.asp Yes!

                                  Nebraska http://ne.locatein48.com/registration.html Yes!

                                  Nevada http://agri.nv.gov/Animal2_NAIS.htm Yes!

                                  New Hampshire http://www.nh.gov/agric/divisions/an..._id_system.htm Yes!

                                  New Jersey http://www.state.nj.us/agriculture/d.../animalid.html Yes!

                                  New Mexico http://www.newmexicolivestockboard.c...%20in%20NM.htm Yes!

                                  New York http://www.agmkt.state.ny.us/NAIS/nais.html Yes!

                                  North Carolina http://www.ncagr.com/ncfarmid/ Yes!

                                  North Dakota http://www.agdepartment.com/Programs...BOAH/BOAH.html Yes!

                                  Ohio http://www.ohioanimalid.com/oaid-premises.stm Yes!

                                  Oklahoma http://ok.locatein48.com/registration.html Yes!

                                  Oregon http://egov.oregon.gov/ODA/AHID/anim...ional_id.shtml Yes!

                                  Pennsylvania http://farminfo.psu.edu/ Yes!

                                  *Rhode Island http://www.dem.ri.gov/programs/bnatr...cult/index.htm No sign of participation

                                  South Carolina http://www.clemson.edu/LPH/nais.htm Yes!

                                  South Dakota http://www.state.sd.us/aib/Animal%20...ction%20OV.htm Yes!

                                  Tennessee http://www.state.tn.us/agriculture/tpis/ yes!

                                  Texas http://www.tahc.state.tx.us/animal_id/index.shtml yes!

                                  Utah http://ag.utah.gov/animind/Utah_NAIS.html Yes!

                                  Vermont http://www.vermontagriculture.com/fs...rPremises.html Yes!


                                  Virginia http://www.vanimalid.info/index.php?...d=35&Itemid=51 Yes!

                                  Washington http://agr.wa.gov/FoodAnimal/Animal_Premise/default.htm Yes!

                                  West Virginia http://www.wvagriculture.org/program...Animal_ID.html Yes!

                                  Wisconsin http://www.datcp.state.wi.us/premises/index.jsp MANDITORY

                                  Wyoming http://wlsb.state.wy.us/brands/Premises/instruction.htm Yes!
                                  No hour of life is wasted that is spent in the saddle. ~Winston Churchill

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                                  • #77
                                    I wonder how NAIS is much different, as far as premise registration, with the other programs we have had for tens of years.

                                    The local federal farm agency gave numbers to all of us in the 1950's, every farm and ranch has a number, we have had two for the different areas we farm and others for the grassland.

                                    In the last ten years our local emergency management for this area organized a 911 emergency grid for each county and all dwellings and roads have numbers, that are used by sheriff, fire, ambulance, electric and gas companies, UPS, all, for rural physical adresses.

                                    It would be nice to have all that under one number/address designation only.

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                                    • #78
                                      MSP quite a few months ago I did a comparison on Real ID and NAIS, Taking
                                      Real Id and Laying it out with NAIS. This is what I came up with using THEIR
                                      information. http://xstatic99645.tripod.com/naisi...tral/id48.html
                                      All 50 states have taken the bait from the USDA. Then I heard last years
                                      handout on one state did not sign the Cooperative Agreement. I want to say
                                      Vermont but I could be wrong.


                                      REAL ID is not going to make anyone feel safe and secure, I feel a bigger
                                      threat with the release of my information to the Federal Gov on an RFID
                                      chip...Much like the ISO 11784/11785 chip that they are RECOMMENDING for our
                                      horses. Anyone can look it up and read the reports on it. If you feel the need to chip your horse
                                      then use AVID who is safe and secure from hacking.


                                      Technology is the threat no wonder so many people have been the target of
                                      Identity theft and now you have to pay to protect your information. Good
                                      Grief when does it stop. Can you imagine come May if everyone would stop
                                      flying for a week? What do you think it would do to the
                                      Airline/Hotel/Restaurant business? Use the technology against them stay
                                      home, use the phone,use the fax, use email use the internet to conduct business.
                                      What would it do if no one was granted access to Federal Buildings for Jury service?
                                      Can you imagine if all 50 states with held tax money from the Fed Govt?
                                      Do you think that would be a eye opener to our Reps who say they Represent us?
                                      Not one item is for our safety its about taxing and licensing us, giving us a Permit to exist..
                                      My money is only going so far, with everything increasing guess what gets cuts?



                                      Since NAIS I have become aware of one other connect the DOT. DOGS and CATS.
                                      A few states are enacting horrendous pet bills. State by state is the end
                                      result. More permits, more taxes. In CA some counties are contracting
                                      with a firm to do there yearly billing.
                                      So if you adopt or take your pet to a vet your information will be sent out to them and they
                                      bill you for your license..But of course it must have a rabis shot to get that license. Sound familiar?
                                      No premise id no showing at state fairs, no selling at auctions and so forth.
                                      This pet ownership is turning into a "Gold Mine" to further tax the people.
                                      What comes next after all the animals... ?

                                      I have been keeping a web page on that also when I become aware of the bills.
                                      http://xstatic99645.tripod.com/naisi...tral/id25.html. Read some of the crap you
                                      have to go through. Then because they promote spying are you safe from your neighbor
                                      who has that cell phone with a digital camera?

                                      I consider myself a responsible person and its not anyone's business if I
                                      breed or not. Its my right, just as its your right to breed or not. This is
                                      what we call freedom and with these laws that freedom is being stripped just
                                      to pay for a permit... Much like slaughter it was everyones right to either use it or not. It was there
                                      and now its gone and its out of OUR CONTROL and we will never get that
                                      option back..The only slaughter option is Canada or Mexico.



                                      Bluey are you not concerned that the Premises ID carries with the Land
                                      forever unless it is paved over? Say you want to sell your land that ID must
                                      be disclosed to the new owners even if they do not own any livestock that
                                      Number is then carried over to the new buyer. This premises id that the USDA
                                      touts "As Currently Free" will NOT be free. This is another Permit/Tax on
                                      the people.... Who is to say that the Premises ID will not have a fee on the
                                      amount of animals you own? The premises ID form has spaces to fill out with
                                      the number of livestock you own. Say you own 5 horses do you think that they
                                      would not charge you 100.00 a piece for that Premises ID for the year? Can
                                      you afford it? Of course I'm just guessing but look outside the box. The
                                      Government isnt there to help us but only to help themselves. The 911
                                      emergency plan is for all 50 states. Read this on 911 addresses in regards to Premises
                                      ID... http://www.mda.state.md.us/pdf/nais_..._method_05.pdf
                                      Word search I used was 911 and then Address validation. You see how its tied all together.


                                      Concerning some of the southern states here is a bit of information on the
                                      Passports and all from their information, I did this awhile ago so hope the
                                      sites still work.

                                      http://www.animalagriculture.org/pro...quine%20ID.pdf
                                      10 state program 6 immediate, 4 pending rule change
                                      -Ok
                                      -AR
                                      -La-
                                      -MS
                                      -AL
                                      -TN
                                      -GA
                                      -Fl
                                      -SC
                                      -NC
                                      -WV
                                      KY future
                                      VA-Future
                                      12 month Neg EIA
                                      Good for 6 months
                                      Tattoo, digital photograph, brand, microchip

                                      Required to carry a 10-11 with passport
                                      violations horse sent home and issuing state notified (* See number #8
                                      below. So if you are in violation expect civil penalties or criminal
                                      prosecution and the revocation of passport ) **** Now doesnt this shoot
                                      the whole purpose of the NAIS, tracking etc.? ****Which again leads to they
                                      only want the premises ID number on your property*******
                                      immediate revocation with misrepresentation
                                      3 states would charge fees
                                      itinerary required to accompany horse for entire 6 months

                                      Participation is strictly Voluntary
                                      permit applications must be submitted through an accredited vet
                                      Recognized forms of animal identification
                                      -unique identifier lip tattoo
                                      -a unique brand
                                      -electronic implant
                                      -digital photo submitted in low resolution "JPEG" format
                                      Premises ID number required for horses location

                                      valid for 6 months
                                      horse owners can move among participating states without the need for
                                      obtaining a new HC every 30 days.
                                      Shows, fairs trail rides
                                      Not sales or breeding facilities
                                      Application -CHI-EIA test
                                      State Exceptions

                                      Memorandum of Agreement by and between the state animal health Regulatory
                                      agencies of Alabama,Arkansas,
                                      Florida,Georgia,Kentucky,Louisiana,Mississippi,Nor th Carolina,Oklahoma,South
                                      Carolina,Tennessee, Virginia and West Virginia agreement to begin Jan 1 2004

                                      State exception: Owner/transporter must Carry a functional microchip scanner
                                      when entering Fl, Kentucky,Georgia,North Carolina,Oklahoma and Virginia

                                      Digital Photos are not an acceptable form of identification for entry into
                                      Louisiana


                                      A neg EIA test within the previous seven (7) months is required for travel
                                      to Arkansas or Oklahoma


                                      Equine Microchip Availability for horse owners to obtain a $10.00 credit on
                                      their Veterinary Service account through participating Tennessee License
                                      Vets when the vet implants a radio frequency identification microchip into
                                      the animal
                                      Participating vets will credit the account of the horse owner and invoice
                                      the Dept of Ag $10.00 per animal microchipped for the first 10,000 animals
                                      having this procedure


                                      please note # 9 Dont you find this strange. How can the State Vet determine
                                      disease if the passport is turned in at the END OF THE YEAR???? Another one
                                      of those unanswered questions is this program about disease? Is it about
                                      Normalizing Trade or is it about permits and futher taxation?

                                      http://www.ncagr.com/vet/forms/Equin...pplication.pdf
                                      Have you read this... very interesting. And to confirm what was in the PDF
                                      http://www.ncagr.com/vet/equineevent.htm

                                      North Carolina Equine Passport
                                      1; Application to be filled out
                                      2: Current Certificate of Veterinary Care
                                      3: EIA
                                      4; Head to Hooves Pictures
                                      5: Application fee $5.00
                                      6: complete travel itinerary listing all events and transport during
                                      passports active status & the Equine permit accompanying the horse.
                                      7: If a microchip is used as means of identification, equine owner must
                                      provide regulatory authorities immediate access to a functional scanner if
                                      requested.
                                      8: Violators of any requirement of the passport program are subject to the
                                      laws of the state where the violation occurs and may range from immediate
                                      return of the state of origin to revocation of passport and civil penalties
                                      or criminal prosecution.
                                      9: Upon permit expiration, the complete travel itinerary must be forwarded
                                      to the office of the State Veterinarian issuing the permit



                                      A good article to read and understand TRADE and how our livestock is
                                      affected: http://www.oie.int/eng/publicat/rt/2002/WILSON.PDF Reading this
                                      will make you ask the question is it about disease or is it about TRADE?

                                      Its nice to see that over a thousand people have read this thread and that many more have posted..
                                      Gisela Swift
                                      http://www.naisinfocentral.net

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                                        ---"Bluey are you not concerned that the Premises ID carries with the Land
                                        forever unless it is paved over? Say you want to sell your land that ID must
                                        be disclosed to the new owners even if they do not own any livestock that
                                        Number is then carried over to the new buyer. This premises id that the USDA
                                        touts "As Currently Free" will NOT be free. This is another Permit/Tax on
                                        the people.... Who is to say that the Premises ID will not have a fee on the
                                        amount of animals you own? The premises ID form has spaces to fill out with
                                        the number of livestock you own. Say you own 5 horses do you think that they
                                        would not charge you 100.00 a piece for that Premises ID for the year? Can
                                        you afford it? Of course I'm just guessing but look outside the box. The
                                        Government isnt there to help us but only to help themselves..."---

                                        No, I am not concerned about that.
                                        I sold some land a few years ago, went to the local farm agency, told them so and they took it off their list, as the new owner was not interested in their programs.
                                        A year later, he wanted to spray some brush and was looking at the EQUIP program of cost share thru that agency, so he applied and got a number for that land, now under his name.

                                        I put some farm land in grasses for migrating fowl and the farm number was deleted, is not there any more, as that land is now considered grass land and I didn't put it in any programs for that with them.

                                        It is not as cut and dried as an iron grip by the government agencies and in some ways they are working parallel to each other, each one with their own numbers and regulations.

                                        It is good for citizens to be alert and watchful, but not to become paranoid about how evil our government's intentions may be with each intended action.
                                        I doubt that here in the USA we will end up with a national ID number for each citizen, as I grew up with in Europe.

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                                          "I doubt that here in the USA we will end up with a national ID number for each citizen, as I grew up with in Europe."

                                          We already have one. It's called the social security number. When I first got mine I was so proud! I was 14, and already working! Tried to use it for ID and got laughed at. "Just put that away, honey," I was told. "It doesn't mean anything."

                                          Lived overseas from 1986 to 1998, and when I got back everything had changed. Found I had to go replace that SS card I had "put away" all those years ago, because without it I couldn't obtain anything: not an American driver's license, not a job, not a mortgage, not a bank account, not care at a doctor's office, not insurance... they asked for it a whole lot of other places as well, but I refuse to give it.

                                          Last November there was a glitch in the computer voting machines at our precinct and a whole bunch more. People in my district had to fill out absentee ballots because the machines wouldn't allow us to vote for the right ballot electronically. Guess what? I had to give my SSN to vote!

                                          Even bloody cellphone accounts! "Last four" people will ask you. Meaning last four digits of your "social". They don't even have to explain what they mean.

                                          I was going to say don't get me started, but you already did. :rueful grin emoticon:

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