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  • I am still shaking my head on this one.
    DAY early? Umm, way off. I did have a trainer who went to see a horse that I was interested in- he arrived on the wrong day, and the seller told me. This was just more evidence of his disorganized life.
    And RODE the horse? Umm, way, way off, like a remote galaxy...
    I love the COTH Forums! I would never have thought this was a possibility. Thanks OP for sharing this wild story! Incredible!

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    • Originally posted by Palm Beach View Post
      I'm wondering why a buyer would need to see a horse haltered or caught. If you can't fix little tiny behavior problems, you shouldn't be buying a horse.
      Maybe because 60-80% of the time many spend with their horses is time spent on the ground with them? Or because many people only have one or two horses at a time, and they'd rather have something already pleasant to be around?

      Seems really silly to lack understanding (or worse, somehow elitest and mean-spirited to *pretend* to lack understanding) of how ground manners relate to a decision to buy a horse.

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      • Originally posted by MegBackInSaddle View Post

        Maybe because 60-80% of the time many spend with their horses is time spent on the ground with them? Or because many people only have one or two horses at a time, and they'd rather have something already pleasant to be around?

        Seems really silly to lack understanding (or worse, somehow elitest and mean-spirited to *pretend* to lack understanding) of how ground manners relate to a decision to buy a horse.
        Haltering and catching horses are such easy things to fix. But if it’s a deal breaker for you, fine. No point in getting yourself worked up over something so simple and basic.

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        • Originally posted by Palm Beach View Post

          Haltering and catching horses are such easy things to fix. But if it’s a deal breaker for you, fine. No point in getting yourself worked up over something so simple and basic.
          Why are you having such a hard time grasping that not every ammy wants to purchase and then solve problems, however insignificant you deem them to be? That doesn’t make them incompetent and not fit for horse ownership. It means they’re smart enough to know what they will and will not deal with. But we’re all very proud of you for being able to fix any issues you come across with difficult to catch horses.

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          • Not worked up, and not talking about my dealbreakers. Just saying that it's pretty silly and short-sighted to act like a horse's ability under saddle is or should be the only concern for buyers.

            A horse who's overly sensitive about his ears may be a fine fit for a performance-oriented home that values his suppleness and stride (or jumping scope, or cowey nature, or speed on the pattern, etc). But while that's an issue that can be worked on, it's pretty lacking in empathy and/or imagination to act like a horse that's hard to bridle should be a minor issue for everyone. Some people don't want a challenge to work through. They simply want to enjoy going to the barn and riding a horse that mostly seems amenable to their attentions.

            I think it's far more honest and self-aware of a prospective buyer to know what's important to them and work to actively seek out better matches.
            Last edited by MegBackInSaddle; Dec. 21, 2019, 11:06 PM. Reason: Can't proof read

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            • I can not even. What a whackadoo! I'm glad nobody got hurt.

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              • Originally posted by MegBackInSaddle View Post
                Not worked up, and not talking about my dealbreakers. Just saying that it's pretty silly and short-sighted to act like a horse's ability under saddle is or should be the only concern for buyers.

                Some people don't want a challenge to work through. They simply want to enjoy going to the barn and riding a horse that mostly seems amenable to their attentions.
                .
                This. I'm an amateur rider and horses are my hobby. I don't want to spend my time fixing problems. It surprised me when I was shopping for a trail horse that the trainers I knew said "just buy something you like. We can work on any problems." Why?? Why not buy a horse that's already doing the things you want/need it to do?
                In memory of Apache, who loved to play. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjZAqeg7HyE

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                • Originally posted by Malda View Post

                  This. I'm an amateur rider and horses are my hobby. I don't want to spend my time fixing problems. It surprised me when I was shopping for a trail horse that the trainers I knew said "just buy something you like. We can work on any problems." Why?? Why not buy a horse that's already doing the things you want/need it to do?
                  It is great when you can have both.

                  Once you reach a certain point it really doesn't matter as you can train yourself. You may as well have a horse the size and colour and conformation you want.

                  Before that temperament, soundness and training trumps colour and quite a lot of conformation.
                  It is better to ride 5 minutes a day than it is to ride 35 minutes on a Sunday.

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                  • Some people shop for 'fixer uppers' because they can fix them and the purchase price is lower than it would be for the same horse in 'perfect' condition.

                    Some people shop without money being an object. They can afford to be more exacting in their expectations.

                    Two different markets, no matter what 'level' we're talking about.
                    No matter where you go, there you are

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                    • I tend to end up with horses with a myriad of issues that, for the most part, I can fix because that is my budget. So I guess I'm one of those who shops for fixer-uppers. I've found some pretty nice prospects this way. Totally get not wanting to buy something that has issues. Not everyone has the knowledge or desire to deal with them. Took me months to get my hard to catch mustang easy to catch and he was not right out of the pens, he had already been worked with but had major trust issues.

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                      • Originally posted by SuzieQNutter View Post

                        It is great when you can have both.

                        Once you reach a certain point it really doesn't matter as you can train yourself. You may as well have a horse the size and colour and conformation you want.

                        Before that temperament, soundness and training trumps colour and quite a lot of conformation.
                        Time spent training is time taken away from riding and enjoying my horse.

                        Some people enjoy training, some don't. I did when I was younger, not any more.
                        In memory of Apache, who loved to play. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjZAqeg7HyE

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                        • Originally posted by Malda View Post

                          Time spent training is time taken away from riding and enjoying my horse.

                          Some people enjoy training, some don't. I did when I was younger, not any more.
                          Yes my level 3 instructor in her 60s lost her Grand Prix Horse. She was riding a young one and thought what am I doing? and went and bought a Grand Prix Horse already trained.
                          It is better to ride 5 minutes a day than it is to ride 35 minutes on a Sunday.

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                          • Originally posted by SuzieQNutter View Post

                            Yes my level 3 instructor in her 60s lost her Grand Prix Horse. She was riding a young one and thought what am I doing? and went and bought a Grand Prix Horse already trained.
                            At some point we start to realize that we have a limited number of riding years left, so we'd better spend them doing what makes us happiest.

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                            • Originally posted by kande04 View Post

                              At some point we start to realize that we have a limited number of riding years left, so we'd better spend them doing what makes us happiest.
                              That is also why you should have 2 horses in work. One that you are enjoying as trained and one that you are training.

                              When it is time for the older one to retire the younger one becomes the trained horse you ride and you get a younger one.
                              It is better to ride 5 minutes a day than it is to ride 35 minutes on a Sunday.

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                              • Originally posted by Malda View Post

                                Time spent training is time taken away from riding and enjoying my horse.

                                Some people enjoy training, some don't. I did when I was younger, not any more.
                                Training is riding. Every time you ride a horse you are training it. For better or for worse.

                                I agree it is not for everyone. That may be a question of perspective. Everyone 'trains'.

                                No matter where you go, there you are

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                                • Originally posted by SuzieQNutter View Post

                                  That is also why you should have 2 horses in work. One that you are enjoying as trained and one that you are training.

                                  When it is time for the older one to retire the younger one becomes the trained horse you ride and you get a younger one.
                                  Not everybody can afford to keep 2 or 3 horses at a time.
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                                  • Ok, the original post is crazy pants (in terms of what the lady did, not the original poster), and this thread is getting even crazier.

                                    Showing up early is not ok, and if you must for whatever reason, I'd expect a text or call "Hey, I'm so sorry but I miscalculated the time and..." etc. That's fine - stuff happens. Heck, even to show up a day early accidentally would be ok and a really funny story once everyone figures out what happened.

                                    But to pull your horse out of the pasture and ride it without you present?? That takes some brass ones. To throw a kid up there?? I'm just aghasted.

                                    You're totally in the right to not sell her the horse, and I'd follow the very good legal advice present. I'd also be interested in hearing about any followup, since this does seem like this person is not just going to go gently into the night.

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                                    • Originally posted by kande04 View Post

                                      At some point we start to realize that we have a limited number of riding years left, so we'd better spend them doing what makes us happiest.

                                      Yup, I’ve got there, loved my quirky mare, but got the stage that her errr personality was just to much for this old lady. My grey gelding, is so reliable, it’s a lovely change.
                                      "He's not even a good pathological liar." Mara

                                      "You're just a very desperate troll, and not even a good one. You're like middle-school troll at best. Like a goblin, not even a troll." et_fig

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                                      • Originally posted by furlong47 View Post

                                        Not everybody can afford to keep 2 or 3 horses at a time.
                                        That is in a perfect world.

                                        In reality of corse both horses go lame at the same time for totally opposite reasons.
                                        It is better to ride 5 minutes a day than it is to ride 35 minutes on a Sunday.

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                                        • Originally posted by SuzieQNutter View Post

                                          That is also why you should have 2 horses in work. One that you are enjoying as trained and one that you are training.

                                          When it is time for the older one to retire the younger one becomes the trained horse you ride and you get a younger one.
                                          Or, when we're young and on the upswing we have as many horses as we can manage, and then as we run out of years and energy we "rescue" older horses and give them a nice semi-retirement/retirement.

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