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TV interview with KY broker who sells horses to slaughter *Updated*

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  • #21
    Neither side of this debate is exactly a font of truth and veracity.

    Put bluntly, both sides are lieing in their teeth most of the time.

    What is true to a moral certainty is that the U.S. equine population has grown to the point that virtually every market has been grossly deflated and we have NO effective tools for either removing or caring for this surplus population.

    G.
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    • #22
      Well said.
      The videos they have put up and the pictures are quite inflammatory. I get that - the problem is that there is not much new.
      HBO did a show about it which I thought was pretty good -
      Stable to Table in 7 days - but again that's now 2 years old.

      Originally posted by Guilherme View Post
      Neither side of this debate is exactly a font of truth and veracity.

      Put bluntly, both sides are lieing in their teeth most of the time.

      What is true to a moral certainty is that the U.S. equine population has grown to the point that virtually every market has been grossly deflated and we have NO effective tools for either removing or caring for this surplus population.

      G.
      The problem with political jokes is that they get elected.
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      • #23
        Originally posted by JGHIRETIRE View Post
        Well said.
        The videos they have put up and the pictures are quite inflammatory. I get that - the problem is that there is not much new.
        HBO did a show about it which I thought was pretty good -
        Stable to Table in 7 days - but again that's now 2 years old.

        The videos who has put up?

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        • #24
          "All horses are healthy and checked out by a veterinarian both before and after the horses leave the country."

          The vet at the border crossing looks in the trailer to determine all animals are ambulatory. If they are on their feet, the trailer is sealed and not opened until the destination is reached. If there is a non-ambulatory animal, the trailer is diverted to a holding area where the animals are unloaded and the downer is removed. There is no cleaning or bandaging of wounds as some may suggest. If the animal is standing and walking, it is loaded, no matter the injuries it may have at the time.

          I have no problem with the concept of slaughter, once the animal is dead it doesn't matter, but it *must* be done in a humane way. The current system is appalling and I could never subject a horse that I own to that kind of end.

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          • #25
            They are on YouTube.

            Originally posted by Dispatcher View Post
            The videos who has put up?
            The problem with political jokes is that they get elected.
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            • #26
              Originally posted by JGHIRETIRE View Post
              They are on YouTube.
              Again, who put them up? Youtube is a big place. Links or usernames of those who posted them would be helpful.
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              • #27
                Just was on Norcal Equine Rescue site - they got 7 horses and a goat off a truck coming from Washington to Mexico in June.
                I know there is a tb rescue up here - but wonder now what happens to other horses from Emerald Downs.
                Inquiring minds want to know.........
                I bought one off the track that got too slow to run.
                I knew I had to have that boy when I first saw him!!

                Originally posted by shekaberry View Post
                "All horses are healthy and checked out by a veterinarian both before and after the horses leave the country."

                The vet at the border crossing looks in the trailer to determine all animals are ambulatory. If they are on their feet, the trailer is sealed and not opened until the destination is reached. If there is a non-ambulatory animal, the trailer is diverted to a holding area where the animals are unloaded and the downer is removed. There is no cleaning or bandaging of wounds as some may suggest. If the animal is standing and walking, it is loaded, no matter the injuries it may have at the time.

                I have no problem with the concept of slaughter, once the animal is dead it doesn't matter, but it *must* be done in a humane way. The current system is appalling and I could never subject a horse that I own to that kind of end.
                The problem with political jokes is that they get elected.
                H. Cate

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                • #28
                  Is this guy from the Kentucky family of horse traders involved in a horrific trailer accident in Indiana or Ohio a few years back?

                  Anybody else remember that?
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by JGHIRETIRE View Post
                    I know there is a tb rescue up here - but wonder now what happens to other horses from Emerald Downs.
                    Inquiring minds want to know.........
                    I bought one off the track that got too slow to run.
                    I knew I had to have that boy when I first saw him!!
                    Every now and then horses from ED would pass through Chuck Walker's place. I'm not involved with that rescue up there any longer, so I don't know if that is still the case though.

                    Good for you for taking a TB off the track!
                    Proud owner of a Slaughter-Bound TB from a feedlot, and her surprise baby...!
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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by caffeinated View Post
                      Again, who put them up? Youtube is a big place. Links or usernames of those who posted them would be helpful.
                      I think it's the YouTube videos from Animal Angels that were being referred to:
                      http://www.youtube.com/user/AnimalsAngelsUSA

                      More info and news story videos on their website:
                      http://www.animals-angels.com/index.php?pageID=start_us
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                      • #31
                        "I know there is a tb rescue up here - but wonder now what happens to other horses from Emerald Downs."

                        Go to the Enumclaw Livestock auction and you will find horses with their racing plates still on. Often they are dropped of shortly after the auction takes place and they will ship out to a feedlot (usually in Stanwood) a couple days later. The auction house owner sells to the general public, but at a rather dramatic mark-up, so buying during the auction is crucial. If you are interested in acquiring an OTTB, I would be happy to put you in contact with an organiziation that networks at ED. Many of the horses are quite cheap or free.

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                        • #32
                          While I don't like slaughter, I can see it's purpose.

                          The argument against that bugs me the most is the drugs and medication argument. What drug or medication does your average horse get that cattle, hogs, sheep, goats and poultry don't get? Bute and banamine? I don't buy it- I'd guess that most horses live their whole lives never medicated except for wormers.

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                          • #33
                            I'm not sure - but that story has been all over FB as well.
                            Rumour has it that the whole story is going to go national.
                            I am trying to find out when and where.

                            Originally posted by vineyridge View Post
                            Is this guy from the Kentucky family of horse traders involved in a horrific trailer accident in Indiana or Ohio a few years back?

                            Anybody else remember that?
                            The problem with political jokes is that they get elected.
                            H. Cate

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                            • #34
                              Respect4horses is another one.
                              HBO did one it's under HBO slaughter.

                              Originally posted by Liberty View Post
                              I think it's the YouTube videos from Animal Angels that were being referred to:
                              http://www.youtube.com/user/AnimalsAngelsUSA

                              More info and news story videos on their website:
                              http://www.animals-angels.com/index.php?pageID=start_us
                              The problem with political jokes is that they get elected.
                              H. Cate

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                              • #35
                                Stanwood has been closed for quite a few years.
                                I bought a now 7 y.o. off the track just about 2 years ago.
                                I know they have been advertising on Dreamhorse as well.
                                They usually end up getting more money than if they sold them to a kb - just not sure all of them have the patience for it. The market up here isn't that great either.
                                Enumclaw and Moses Lake still have auctions and someone mentioned Marysville but I thought Marysville no longer sold horses up there. Still looking for info.

                                Originally posted by shekaberry View Post
                                "I know there is a tb rescue up here - but wonder now what happens to other horses from Emerald Downs."

                                Go to the Enumclaw Livestock auction and you will find horses with their racing plates still on. Often they are dropped of shortly after the auction takes place and they will ship out to a feedlot (usually in Stanwood) a couple days later. The auction house owner sells to the general public, but at a rather dramatic mark-up, so buying during the auction is crucial. If you are interested in acquiring an OTTB, I would be happy to put you in contact with an organiziation that networks at ED. Many of the horses are quite cheap or free.
                                The problem with political jokes is that they get elected.
                                H. Cate

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                                • #36
                                  Originally posted by shakeytails View Post

                                  The argument against that bugs me the most is the drugs and medication argument. What drug or medication does your average horse get that cattle, hogs, sheep, goats and poultry don't get? Bute and banamine? I don't buy it- I'd guess that most horses live their whole lives never medicated except for wormers.
                                  It isn't so much that horses are given drugs...most drugs with a few big exceptions like BUTE...have some withholding period. The problem is that no one follows withholding periods or for that matter has a clue what these horses have been given when they are in the slaughter pipeline.

                                  How many horses that have been ridden, shown, or injured at some point in their life in pleasure or sport do you honestly think have NOT had bute? Sure...some haven't...youngsters mostly..but I'd venture a guess that anywhere from 60-80% of all horses in the US have had it. It's handed out by vets all the time, and we've all used it on our horses.

                                  Guess what...that bute you gave your horse made it 100% ineligible for slaughter for human consumption FOREVER. In cattle, the animal cannot be fed to people either so it's not just horses that can't have bute. The drug is dangerous for people and the residues last a long time in the meat/tissues. In Europe, Bute has actually been taken off the market in some countries for that reason. In the UK, it has to be noted in the horses' passports if they have had bute and they are forever considered NOT fit for human consumption. That is checked on the passport the horse has that stays with it for life.

                                  Some other drugs that horses get that cattle do not routinely get are Clenbuterol (another dangerous one), Banamine, sedatives, steroids, Lasix, Regumate, etc... Lots of stuff given routinely and while most of those products have a withholding period, no one is following it.

                                  Now the EU has implemented the six month history paperwork on horses going to slaughter technically that should control this...but my understandings from the Canadians who post here is that the paper is just signed off on as a "to the best of my knowledge" and no one is really enforcing a six month withholding period...so business as usual it would seem.

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                                  • #37
                                    Don't forget that other non-EU countries like Japan and Korea eat horsemeat. Even if the EU regulations prevent export to Europe, exports to Asia will probably continue.
                                    "I'm a lumberjack, and I'm okay."
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                                    • #38
                                      I don't know for sure - but I don't think so.

                                      Originally posted by Calhoun View Post
                                      A veterinarian comes to his farm and he pays for an inspection? That must hit his profit margin. When the truck full of horses arrive at the Canadian line, they are unloaded and inspected again? I find this very unlikely. Bad news, all around.

                                      Has there ever been an interview from someone who does this for a living and tells it like it is, or is it a secret club of some kind with unwritten rules.
                                      The problem with political jokes is that they get elected.
                                      H. Cate

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                                      • #39
                                        Probably quite true.

                                        Originally posted by vineyridge View Post
                                        Don't forget that other non-EU countries like Japan and Korea eat horsemeat. Even if the EU regulations prevent export to Europe, exports to Asia will probably continue.
                                        The problem with political jokes is that they get elected.
                                        H. Cate

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                                        • #40
                                          I was told a few years back that they visually inspect the horses upon arrival at the s/h, then they inspect the meat. I wonder what the percentage of wasted meat is, esp. at the time when most of the NH tbs would go straight to Richelieu, QC .... because everyone knows race horses don't have any drugs in their system, right?
                                          Frankly, at this point, I don't care what drugs are in the meat. I am just hoping that the horse meat eaters get sick... at least, in France, domestic horses have a passport which states what meds they have received and the passport can indicate "not for slaughter". Or they are raised for meat.

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