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    This Welsh gelding was in an ad and I'm curious about his color, he is just listed as chestnut. Is this a clip?


  • #2
    Ues, a chestnut with some weird shadows caused by the sun....

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    • #3
      Unfortunately...shadows Lord know I do all sorts of contortions to try to avoid these. Cute little pony tho. What are the deets!
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      • #4
        Definitely a chestnut

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        • #5
          You can actually see that the shadow of the person taking the photo on the horses shoulder.

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          • #6
            Though the outline is on par with my clipping skills:
            "We'll just take a leettle more off here to even it up...no! Hold still!...Just a little more...ah, screw it. It'll grow back. Sorry, little dude. Next year I'll pay somebody."

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            • #7
              Nice head and conformation! Cute guy!!!

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              • #8
                Looks to me like a chimera, "the result of the fusing of fraternal twins in utero resulting in 2 sets of DNA in 1 horse."

                Search "horse chimera" or see www.whitehorseproductions.com/ecg_basics4.html scroll down (I can't get a photo to post)
                Last edited by cardinale; Nov. 29, 2019, 11:25 PM.

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                • #9
                  I dunno, the sun angles don't make sense to me for that pattern to just be explained as shadow. The sun would have to be a very low angle for the photographer to be outlined on the horse's shoulder like that. In which case that horse and/or photographer would be casting an equally strong shadow on the horse standing in the background.
                  And there's ZERO shadow on the ground, which doesn't make sense given the intensity of the shadow on the horse.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by HungarianHippo View Post
                    I dunno, the sun angles don't make sense to me for that pattern to just be explained as shadow. The sun would have to be a very low angle for the photographer to be outlined on the horse's shoulder like that. In which case that horse and/or photographer would be casting an equally strong shadow on the horse standing in the background.
                    And there's ZERO shadow on the ground, which doesn't make sense given the intensity of the shadow on the horse.
                    I'm agreeing with you. Look down the left rear leg. The horse standing behind has some of the same markings.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by CindyCRNA View Post

                      I'm agreeing with you. Look down the left rear leg. The horse standing behind has some of the same markings.
                      Or that could be a continuation of the shadow that is seen on the horse in front's shoulder. I noticed this as well and it actually makes me lean more toward the shadow theory. I agree that it's strange that there are no shadows on the ground, but everything else in the photo has that glow of early morning or late evening light and the darker areas are missing that look which really makes them read as shadows and not coloration.

                      If the horse in front is a chimera and the horse in back is too, it would be statistically extraordinary to have them both born at the same place. It's very rare, a freak occurrence and not something that is passed between generations.

                      Did the ad have only this photo of the horse? No other photos, no website or anything to visit? Does Googling the horse's name come up with any more photos?
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                      • #12
                        I feel like it isn't a shadow, look at how the mane darkens right where the spot starts then stays dark all the way up. And the back left leg, it would be a weird object making a shadow that only covers a little sliver of the leg underneath.

                        Chestnuts can have dark spots (mine has a big dark patch on his flank), maybe it could be an exaggerated form of this?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by cardinale View Post
                          Looks to me like a chimera, "the result of the fusing of fraternal twins in utero resulting in 2 sets of DNA in 1 horse."

                          Search "horse chimera" or see www.whitehorseproductions.com/ecg_basics4.html scroll down (I can't get a photo to post)
                          Interesting, thx for the link, I've learned something new!

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                          • #14
                            I agree that the golden quality of the light looks like it's either sunup or sundown, so I suppose that's why you wouldn't have shadows on the ground.
                            Whatever time of day, cute horsie!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by RainWeasley View Post
                              I feel like it isn't a shadow, look at how the mane darkens right where the spot starts then stays dark all the way up. And the back left leg, it would be a weird object making a shadow that only covers a little sliver of the leg underneath.

                              Chestnuts can have dark spots (mine has a big dark patch on his flank), maybe it could be an exaggerated form of this?
                              I have seen some rather large bend-or spots, but never any that covered as much of the body as whatever is going on in this photo.
                              Flickr

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by RainWeasley View Post
                                I feel like it isn't a shadow, look at how the mane darkens right where the spot starts then stays dark all the way up. And the back left leg, it would be a weird object making a shadow that only covers a little sliver of the leg underneath.

                                Chestnuts can have dark spots (mine has a big dark patch on his flank), maybe it could be an exaggerated form of this?
                                The shadow on the left hind leg is caused by the right hind leg.

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                                • #17
                                  My vote is 2 people, one taking a picture (shoulder) and one beside them (rear) casting shadows on the horse with the sun behind them.
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                                  • #18
                                    I think shadows. If you look at the background, it suggests that the angle of the light is very low, either morning or evening. We have a pasture where, in the early morning, the horse turned out there can be in full sun, but the sun has not yet reached the grass below him. If there was something in front of him at that time, there would be shadows on him but not on the ground.

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                                    • #19
                                      I am leaning towards this being an actual color variation - at least to some degree. I notice that his mane is darker in the dark part of his neck but that it continues to be darker even above the "shadow" line on his neck. OP, is there anything in the ad about his breeding that would lead us to the colors of his parents?

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                                      • #20
                                        Shadows plus chimerism? Whatever the cause, if that was the actual color, I would think the ad would mention something so unusual as a selling point.
                                        Last edited by cardinale; Dec. 1, 2019, 01:35 PM.

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