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  • PossumHorse
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    Originally posted by Scribbler View Post

    Ok good to know. I was under the impression they needed to be tattooed to be training at the track.
    Nope. I’ve got one that trained for 6 months. When he was ready for his first race, they went to tattoo him and found that he didn’t match his papers (small snip was missed). As he didn’t look fast, it wasn’t worth the money to change his papers and he was sold off the track.

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  • Scribbler
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    Originally posted by WildLittleWren View Post

    That is correct. Unless they are actually entered for a race a lot of times they do not tattoo them. Certainly not if they are in training and they don't expect them to progress to actual races.
    Ok good to know. I was under the impression they needed to be tattooed to be training at the track.

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  • WildLittleWren
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    Originally posted by Posting Trot View Post
    TBs often go into training without a tattoo. I think they only have to be tattooed if they're actually entered into races.

    I'm not saying that is what happened in this case (obviously I have no idea), but just saying that it's not impossible that a young horse who might have sold for big bucks based solely on pedigree might have washed out at the race-training stage and never been entered into a race, and therefore never tattooed.
    That is correct. Unless they are actually entered for a race a lot of times they do not tattoo them. Certainly not if they are in training and they don't expect them to progress to actual races.

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  • Posting Trot
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    TBs often go into training without a tattoo. I think they only have to be tattooed if they're actually entered into races.

    I'm not saying that is what happened in this case (obviously I have no idea), but just saying that it's not impossible that a young horse who might have sold for big bucks based solely on pedigree might have washed out at the race-training stage and never been entered into a race, and therefore never tattooed.

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  • trubandloki
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    Originally posted by Scribbler View Post

    Edited to add: I can't find the post where the OP said horse didn't have a tattoo, so maybe I am confused here?
    Original post - bold and underline by me.

    Originally posted by shamrocker58 View Post
    This summer I purchased a 7 year old TB mare, not tattooed through a sale barn. Her coggins which was from a trainer in Canton Georgia, stated she was born in 2012. This mare did not work out for me and my daughter put her up for sale in Florida. The first person that tried her vetted her out. Vetting was yesterday. Horse vetted great, and she was microchipped it turned out. When potential owner got home the checked the microchip on Equibase and it turns out the mare is 13 years old! I am so upset that someone particularly a trainer would do this. Now, the sale has fallen through and selling a 13 year old horse who has not done too much will be much more difficult. This person was clearly not honest on the coggins. What recourse do I have??

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  • Scribbler
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    Originally posted by shamrocker58 View Post
    I am the OP on this post. The Coggins had a photo of the mare on it, and the owner/trainer, Jeanette McDonald in Georgia. I have met someone in this barn on line, and she told me the trainer said the mare was 8, coggins done in April said 7, then she was quickly shipped to a low end dealer. The microchip revealed her name which is Strongdollarpolicy owned by Todd Pletcher, sold at $175,000 2 year old at OBS. What she is basically now, is a 13 year old horse in the body of a 7 year old. Absolutely no arthritic Changes in her hocks and stifles, Feet are good, and she's a freakishly good jumper. I have found a reputable home for her in Ocala with a young woman who enjoys riding the TB;s. I will be making sure she does not fall through cracks and can always come back to me if she does not work out. I learned a lesson on this one big time.... I do think someone was dishonest along the way, and I highly suspect who it was....
    OK, I'm confused. If the horse sold for 6 figures, you'd think she would have gone to the track for training at least, in which case she'd be tattooed. If she had no track exposure at all, what did she do as a young horse? Was she bought as a broodmare for her bloodlines? If so that could explain the lack of wear and tear on her.

    I feel like if she went to the track and then had an accident early on in training, she'd have a tattoo.

    Edited to add: I can't find the post where the OP said horse didn't have a tattoo, so maybe I am confused here?

    I have to say, of all the misrepresentations, being a bit older but being sound is way preferable to being the right age but having a nasty chronic injury that re-appears as soon as she is working!

    Glad to hear she has a good home now. Sounds like a wonderful horse for the right person.

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  • Palm Beach
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    Originally posted by candyappy View Post
    Glad it worked out in the end. Lesson learned to have someone check the teeth!
    Now that my horses are getting a little older, my dentist jokingly once asked me, "How old do you want me to make this horse."

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  • WildLittleWren
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    Originally posted by punchy View Post
    For most of last year I forgot how old I was-i was down a year. So when my birthday came around, I was like, crap, I got two years older.

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  • punchy
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    For most of last year I forgot how old I was-i was down a year. So when my birthday came around, I was like, crap, I got two years older.

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  • trubandloki
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    Originally posted by Jleegriffith View Post
    Have someone look at the tattoo of the horse and work with the JC.
    From the first line of the original post, the horse does not have a tattoo.

    Originally posted by shamrocker58 View Post
    This summer I purchased a 7 year old TB mare, not tattooed through a sale barn.

    A random horse having a chip does not surprise me at all. I have mine done. Just so I can identify them if something ever happens.
    I am also one of those people that if my horse's did not have papers I would never know how old they are. Heck, I just had to look up (on vet paperwork) how old my dog is. I was off by two years.

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  • Jleegriffith
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    that seems very sketch because most Tb's don't have a chip unless 2016 or younger since it was required. I sell upward of 100+ tb's a year and don't find chips in anything besides those 2016 and younger. They all get scanned during PPE's. I also think it's easy to research the tattoo/markings with the jockey club and not just assume the age of a horse is correct. I would have wanted to verify the chip reader was even correct or the correct data was entered. Have someone look at the tattoo of the horse and work with the JC.

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  • Vindicated
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    I'm just going to say, I frequently get my horses ages wrong. And... Furthermore an untattooed Thoroughbred. Maybe the seller was the one that was lied to.
    Also, 13 isn't old.. I don't jump my horses until they are 4/5 either, so maybe it's my perspective.

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  • JustTheTicket
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    Originally posted by Trees4U View Post
    Peace. Love.

    And a "shit ton of money"

    Sick burn. I’ve certainly been put in my place.

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  • candyappy
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    Glad it worked out in the end. Lesson learned to have someone check the teeth!

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  • shamrocker58
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    I am the OP on this post. The Coggins had a photo of the mare on it, and the owner/trainer, Jeanette McDonald in Georgia. I have met someone in this barn on line, and she told me the trainer said the mare was 8, coggins done in April said 7, then she was quickly shipped to a low end dealer. The microchip revealed her name which is Strongdollarpolicy owned by Todd Pletcher, sold at $175,000 2 year old at OBS. What she is basically now, is a 13 year old horse in the body of a 7 year old. Absolutely no arthritic Changes in her hocks and stifles, Feet are good, and she's a freakishly good jumper. I have found a reputable home for her in Ocala with a young woman who enjoys riding the TB;s. I will be making sure she does not fall through cracks and can always come back to me if she does not work out. I learned a lesson on this one big time.... I do think someone was dishonest along the way, and I highly suspect who it was....

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  • Trees4U
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    Peace. Love.

    And a "shit ton of money"


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  • Bluey
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    Originally posted by NoSuchPerson View Post
    I'm not offended by all the dumb blonde jokes because I know I'm not dumb... and I also know that I'm not blonde.

    Dolly Parton



    I love Dolly.
    When asked how long does it take her to get her hair looking so pretty, her answer was, "I don't know, I am not there when they fix it".

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  • NoSuchPerson
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    I'm not offended by all the dumb blonde jokes because I know I'm not dumb... and I also know that I'm not blonde.

    Dolly Parton



    I love Dolly.

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  • JustTheTicket
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    Originally posted by Trees4U View Post
    Re: blonde moment -If you were a blonde growing up in the 60s, you would be familiar with blonde jokes and the assumption that blondes were dumb. Just surprised that this description is still around.
    For god’s sake. It’s been around since the beginning of time. I know plenty of natural blondes who will say it when they have a brain fart. I paid a shit ton of money to become a blonde so I can say it too. Relax.

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  • Guilherme
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    Originally posted by Bluey View Post

    Me too, that is what our vet clinic does.
    It makes life a lot simpler at shows, vet. check stations, etc. If you forget a copy, or forget to put new copies in your truck at re-do time, all you need is your phone (or other e-mail capable mobile device).

    G.

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