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  • #41
    Personally, I would say to myself, Well, that stinks. Then I would figure out what the horse needed to make a good, safe sale home and put a season into the horse with that in mind so he could get to a good home and learn my lesson about not PPEing a horse, if its going to mean that much to me to know the age. Personally, I would have thought you would have found out on your own when you got his teeth done. Oy vell. That's horses.
    Airborne? Oh. Yes, he can take a joke. Once. After that, the joke's on you.

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    • #42
      Originally posted by chestnutmarebeware View Post

      They didn't ignore my concerns. When I called the office they didn't charge me for those Coggins, and also removed the farm call, even though I had yearly shots done at the same time. They also offered to come out and re-pull blood for new tests, but as these are retirees that would only be leaving the boarding farm in an emergency, I made the decision to let it go. They have provided me with excellent service over the years, and I certainly wouldn't drop them because someone was having a blonde moment over a long-time client's horse paperwork.

      My point was only that Coggins paperwork relies mostly on what the vet is being told at a given moment, and it's absolutely subject to GIGO (garbage in, garbage out). I would never take the age, especially, from a Coggins, as gospel.
      This fills in some blanks but I'd still wonder about "gender changes" in Coggins papers. You don't have to see "DVM" after a person's name to assume they can tell the difference!

      I get that people can have "Monday's", too. But in the vet. profession, as in human medicine, they ought to be few, far between, and not accepted as an ordinary or routine event. It's also well to remember that the Coggins paper is a legal document and in some states (like TN) it's actually unlawful to take a horse without a Coggins on a public roadway. If it doesn't match the physical description of the horse then an ACO can seize the horse and quarantine same and owner can find themselves with some impressive court costs, fees, and stabling bills.

      That they made the corrections you note is a sign of reasonableness.

      G.
      Mangalarga Marchador: Uma Raça, Uma Paixão

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      • #43
        My old guy's registration papers missed all the markings on one leg, and when I got my DD's birth certificate the time was wrong. You don't even want to know the sorts of things found in archived records on Ancestry.

        It's a shame but not worth fighting over, as the seller probably didn't know the age either.
        Courageous Weenie Eventer Wannabe
        Incredible Invisible

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        • #44
          Chestnutmare -
          "someone was having a blonde moment over a long-time client's horse paperwork.

          Please explain what you mean when someone has a "blonde moment"?

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          • #45
            I wouldn't necessarily put 100% stock in a Coggins except it being negative -meaning I wouldn't totally rely on it for proof of ownership, age, breed, height, and in some cases color. As others have mentioned some of the information is as good as what they pass along to future owners, vets, etc. Then you also have barn managers and grooms who hold for the vets who may not be that familiar with the horse either - so information give to vet may not always be accurate. While 7 - 15 is bit of an age difference, I don't think you can really hold the seller accountable unless you can proof they intended to defraud you.

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            • #46
              I have not seen (sorry if I missed it) that you have independently verified that the horse is in fact 13. I would do that first. As someone mentioned above, you can’t run a microchip number through Equibase. So if the buyer told you she did that, she was confused or mistaken.

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              • #47
                Originally posted by Trees4U View Post
                Chestnutmare -
                "someone was having a blonde moment over a long-time client's horse paperwork.

                Please explain what you mean when someone has a "blonde moment"?
                Really? I'm a natural blonde, so I can't be shamed into feeling guilty for this!
                "Dogs give and give and give. Cats are the gift that keeps on grifting." —Bradley Trevor Greive

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                • #48
                  Originally posted by chestnutmarebeware View Post

                  Really? I'm a natural blonde, so I can't be shamed into feeling guilty for this!
                  Natural blonde here also and I use the blonde moment expression also when I refer to a brain fart.
                  ~~Some days are a total waste of makeup.~~

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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by Trees4U View Post
                    Chestnutmare -
                    "someone was having a blonde moment over a long-time client's horse paperwork.

                    Please explain what you mean when someone has a "blonde moment"?
                    Are you genuinely asking or genuinely insinuating that blondes are a marginalized group?

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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by Biscotti View Post

                      Are you genuinely asking or genuinely insinuating that blondes are a marginalized group?
                      Apparently they don't understand the amount of money some people will pay to look like natural blondes. Or even unnatural blondes.
                      "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in a confederacy against him."

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                      • #51
                        Around here, it seems most if not all vets use Coggins with pictures now. A lot easier than attempting to catalog all of a horse's markings and easier to match to the horse.

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                        • #52
                          Re: blonde moment -If you were a blonde growing up in the 60s, you would be familiar with blonde jokes and the assumption that blondes were dumb. Just surprised that this description is still around.

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                          • #53
                            Im pretty sure TBs havent been using micro-chips for 13 years, so Im not even sure what the OP is talking about here.

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                            • #54
                              Originally posted by MsM View Post
                              Around here, it seems most if not all vets use Coggins with pictures now. A lot easier than attempting to catalog all of a horse's markings and easier to match to the horse.
                              Mine does. I don't even get a paper copy. I get a .pdf and print them myself.

                              G.
                              Mangalarga Marchador: Uma Raça, Uma Paixão

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                              • #55
                                Originally posted by Guilherme View Post

                                Mine does. I don't even get a paper copy. I get a .pdf and print them myself.

                                G.
                                Me too, that is what our vet clinic does.

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                                • #56
                                  Originally posted by halo View Post
                                  Im pretty sure TBs havent been using micro-chips for 13 years, so Im not even sure what the OP is talking about here.
                                  Apparently the horse was microchipped outside of the Jockey Club's new (2017, iirc) requirement that foals be chipped. Chips have been available from the JC for several years, or you can get them from other agencies.

                                  Yeah, not real common to find a chip in a 13 yo (or 7 yo, for that matter) Thoroughbred. Particularly one that isn't tattooed and has little training.

                                  I'm curious if the OP verified the info the potential buyer found 🤷

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                                  • #57
                                    Originally posted by Bluey View Post

                                    Me too, that is what our vet clinic does.
                                    It makes life a lot simpler at shows, vet. check stations, etc. If you forget a copy, or forget to put new copies in your truck at re-do time, all you need is your phone (or other e-mail capable mobile device).

                                    G.
                                    Mangalarga Marchador: Uma Raça, Uma Paixão

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                                    • #58
                                      Originally posted by Trees4U View Post
                                      Re: blonde moment -If you were a blonde growing up in the 60s, you would be familiar with blonde jokes and the assumption that blondes were dumb. Just surprised that this description is still around.
                                      For god’s sake. It’s been around since the beginning of time. I know plenty of natural blondes who will say it when they have a brain fart. I paid a shit ton of money to become a blonde so I can say it too. Relax.

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                                      • #59
                                        I'm not offended by all the dumb blonde jokes because I know I'm not dumb... and I also know that I'm not blonde.

                                        Dolly Parton



                                        I love Dolly.
                                        "Facts are meaningless. You can use facts to prove anything
                                        that's even remotely true."

                                        Homer Simpson

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                                        • #60
                                          Originally posted by NoSuchPerson View Post
                                          I'm not offended by all the dumb blonde jokes because I know I'm not dumb... and I also know that I'm not blonde.

                                          Dolly Parton



                                          I love Dolly.
                                          When asked how long does it take her to get her hair looking so pretty, her answer was, "I don't know, I am not there when they fix it".

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