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Reminder: let's be careful out there... [girl loses hand in leading accident]

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  • #41
    My first day of horses 101 or whatever the class was called at a state agricultural college, the professer, who was the head of equine studies, says I know all you raised in 4H have been taught differently, but I strongly suggest wrapping the lead around your hand to give you more control of the horse and prevent you from dropping the lead.

    I, who was going to physical therapy 3x a week to repair a hand that had been tangled in a longe line, suffered through the class, but graduated with a degree in animal science with an emphasis in cattle. I have never owned a cow, bull, steer, heifer in my life, but there was NO way I was taking any more classes from that moron.

    Ten years later I am still appalled.

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    • #42
      I'm waiting for something like that to happen to the college students where I board. They will drive down to the back field while holding onto their horses. They don't go slow either, the horses are trotting down the road. Also when their horses get loose they chase them down in a vehicle too.

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      • #43
        There is nothing "freak" about that accident, unfortunately.

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        • #44
          Back when we were young my friend lost her thumb the same way. Had pony on a lead and the rope was twirled around her hand. Pony took off and she lost her thumb. It could not be reattached. The family flew this Dr Barney out here from California. He took her big toe and attached it to where her thumb had been. Several surgeries later that toe looked quite like a thumb. Of course she had no toe. This was in the mid 70's, likely would be different procedure now days.

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          • #45
            Originally posted by spotted draft x filly View Post
            Also when their horses get loose they chase them down in a vehicle too.
            A neighbor of mine lost his son that way. The kid - an older teen - rode his four-wheeler to the back field and was driving the horses ahead of him. Unfortunately within kicking range of one.

            Originally posted by jennywho View Post
            My first day of horses 101 or whatever the class was called at a state agricultural college, the professer, who was the head of equine studies, says I know all you raised in 4H have been taught differently, but I strongly suggest wrapping the lead around your hand to give you more control of the horse and prevent you from dropping the lead.
            I see why you dropped the class. I guess this fellow never had a physics class, right? I can't imagine anyone thinking a coed-sized human could stop a bolting horse with a rope wrapped around any part of herself.
            I'm not ignoring the rules. I'm interpreting the rules. Tamal, The Great British Baking Show

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            • #46
              We merged two threads/thread titles on this article/accident.

              Thanks,
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              • #47
                Good lord that must have hurt.

                Sad that she didn't know basic horse handling. When I was 10 years old I was taught never to wrap a lead around my hand.

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                • #48
                  Just a difficult situation.

                  Students at this age are thrown together with a bunch of new peers, so they have to establish their place in the social pecking order around the barn. Add to that, they are at the age when they believe they are immortal anyway. Add to that the fact that they really, honestly believe they are "experienced" because they were the big frog in the pond at their home barn, when they graduated high school last year.

                  My sympathies to everyone involved in this horrible accident. I hope it serves its educational potential well.
                  "One person's cowboy is another person's blooming idiot" -- katarine

                  Spay and neuter. Please.

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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by Sithly View Post
                    Yikes. What a senseless accident.

                    I saw that episode of Law and Order the other day that was based on the whole "killing horses for insurance money" scandal. One of the actors was leading a horse with the lead coiled in his hand - perfect way to get dragged if a horse pulls and tightens the coils.
                    Ughhh, most of the shows involving any "horse" stuff are so awful-they tend to enforce that Disney version of horses and the horse world. I saw that L&O episode, and recently another on some USA show. Lots of safety issues littered throughout those episodes! But that's a subject for another thread.

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                    • #50
                      This reminds me of a horse for sale ad I saw on Dreamhorse several years ago. The picture showed a horse being held by a child who had the lead rope looped around his neck! Good god, if that horse had spooked, the kid would have been decapitated! What the hell were his parents thinking???

                      Poor girl, hope they can reattach the hand.
                      Yogurt - If you're so cultured, how come I never see you at the opera? Steven Colbert

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                      • #51
                        Originally posted by jennywho View Post
                        My first day of horses 101 or whatever the class was called at a state agricultural college, the professer, who was the head of equine studies, says I know all you raised in 4H have been taught differently, but I strongly suggest wrapping the lead around your hand to give you more control of the horse and prevent you from dropping the lead.

                        I, who was going to physical therapy 3x a week to repair a hand that had been tangled in a longe line, suffered through the class, but graduated with a degree in animal science with an emphasis in cattle. I have never owned a cow, bull, steer, heifer in my life, but there was NO way I was taking any more classes from that moron.

                        Ten years later I am still appalled.

                        You didn't happen to go to a certain state agricultural college in the midwest did you? Because your experience sounds eerily similar to mine, only I didn't like cows enough to continue pursuing an animal science degree, and transferred out of there.
                        RIP Owen 2/2/07

                        Laguna <3

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                        • #52
                          Sometimes I lead my horse by grabbing the side of her halter, no lead rope. Note to self, stop doing that!

                          When using the lead rope I'm always extra careful about looping it, not wrapping it because I'm terrified of amputation. I don't know why I never though about getting my hand stuck in the halter.

                          This is the same reason I'm not to keen about swimming in the ocean. I know shark attacks are unlikely, but I prefer 0% chance of shark attacks... anyway I feel really bad for the girl, hope they can reattach her hand.

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                          • #53
                            I ponied a horse a short distance one day, and the one safety tip my trainer gave me was, if you are ponying a horse, be prepared to let the rope go. If you can't accept that, don't pony a horse. Better the horse get loose than you get caught in a nasty wreck. I'd think the same applies to leading a horse from a vehicle in particular. You are "locked in" via seat belt or doors. Be ready to let go if you have to.

                            Poor kid. I hope they get her patched up!

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                            • #54
                              I 'pony' our crew from top pasture to bottom off of the Mule. I put two horses on the offside of the mule and hold their leads in my R hand and drive. The bight end of the leads is coiled on the seat beside me. It has no doors, its' just a roll bar and frame up front. Nothing's wrapped around anything. That poor gal could have lost her hand the same way had she just been leading that horse, on foot. Don't coil the line, period.

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                              • #55
                                Originally posted by twofatponies View Post
                                I ponied a horse a short distance one day, and the one safety tip my trainer gave me was, if you are ponying a horse, be prepared to let the rope go. If you can't accept that, don't pony a horse. Better the horse get loose than you get caught in a nasty wreck. I'd think the same applies to leading a horse from a vehicle in particular. You are "locked in" via seat belt or doors. Be ready to let go if you have to.

                                Poor kid. I hope they get her patched up!
                                Yep. That's how I learned, too. Whether you're in a vehicle, on a horse, or on the ground, it's risky to wrap the rope (intentionally or not).

                                I won't condemn her for leading from a vehicle. I've done it, and it's not even the most dangerous thing I've ever done (galloping at solid obstacles and harnessing horses to carts comes to mind). When you have to bring 20 horses to their weekend pasture 1/2 mile away, you'd probably think twice about leading horses out there one at a time, on foot. (Just sayin. No idea what the circumstances were surrounding this accident.)

                                It's the same as everything else we do with horses: you make choices within your comfort zone and take reasonable precautions to mitigate the risk. My rule is to wear gloves and use an appropriate length of rope so that I can hold near the end with no loops.

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                                • #56
                                  Originally posted by katarine View Post
                                  That poor gal could have lost her hand the same way had she just been leading that horse, on foot. Don't coil the line, period.
                                  True. She also could have been dragged.

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                                  • #57
                                    Originally posted by twofatponies View Post
                                    I ponied a horse a short distance one day, and the one safety tip my trainer gave me was, if you are ponying a horse, be prepared to let the rope go. If you can't accept that, don't pony a horse. Better the horse get loose than you get caught in a nasty wreck.!
                                    I remember when I first went to work as a wrangler and started ponying pack horses, dallying the rope to the saddle horn. I had many warning lectures that scared the pants off me (everything from losing a thumb, rope tangling between you, pack horse, saddle horse, rope getting under saddle horse's tail, etc.) and made me extremely careful when ponying.

                                    I admire the polo grooms who can pony multiple horses-sometimes up to five, I've seen-and manage to wave at me while riding by but I personally will never pony more than 1 horse. I just am not comfortable ponying more than one!

                                    As for the leading from a vehicle, I wouldn't slam her for that either. Never ever coil a rope though.

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                                    • #58
                                      at a keuring one year non-horsey hubby was holding horse for his wife - mare was to be branded so hubby decided that he should wrap lead around his hand in anticipation of mare's reaction -- I went over to him and told him that was a VERY BAD idea -- fortunately he took no offense and adjusted his hold

                                      the kicker - hubby was a professional musician
                                      Nothing says "I love you" like a tractor. (Clydejumper)

                                      The reports states, “Elizabeth reported that she accidently put down this pony, ........, at the show.”

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                                      • #59
                                        This was a very avoidable accident and at all levels was the height of stupidity but granted, many people continue to loop lead ropes round their hands . I actually told my own daughter off about doing this just last week so I will be showing her the link.

                                        I personally would never lead a horse from inside a vehicle, nor lead them from an ATV. If I need to move multiple horses, I either do it on foot with one horse in each hand and just walk back and forth. Or I ride one and lead a few of them on either side; only if they are herdmates and always with leather leads or reins and never ever coiled.

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                                        • #60
                                          Originally posted by Cloverbarley View Post
                                          Or I ride one and lead a few of them on either side; only if they are herdmates and always with leather leads or reins and never ever coiled.
                                          There is not a lot of difference between leading from a vehicle vs leading from a horse. You have to be prepared to let go of the rope in either case. I guess in a vehicle if the horse spooked or two horses came to blows you risk having them in your lap/on the vehicle. Leading from horseback presents a different scenario but you still just need to be able to let go of the rope and save yourself.

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