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  • #41
    I'm wondering whether the 10 months might not have included getting the lawyers, finally getting the "Bill of sale", and then tracking the horse down.
    "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

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    • #42
      Originally posted by yr View Post
      I called the lady with him ( after Google stalking her ). She's nice. He's thriving. He is part of a small herd, he's happy.
      I love this horse more than I can say. I have to leave him where he is because he is doing so well. It truly sucks.
      Someone, possibly even someone who doesn't have the horse, says he's happy and thriving. Without seeing him no one has any way of knowing what the real story is.

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      • #43
        My guess is the owner was a hands-off boarder with multiple horses. I would further guess that the "stolen" horse had some issues (lameness? age? behavior?) because the trainer sold the horse for $1, which is generally what's done when you need a bill of sale but it's really a giveaway. Clearly the trainer thought there was some value in moving the horse on, basically for free, to another area entirely. Perhaps trainer was thrilled to find problem/aged horse a home?

        Then the OP says I love the horse, but he's doing ok now, so I will leave him where he is. Which makes me think she didn't really want to keep him, or couldn't, and now feels bad he's gone but still, it's a relief not to have to care for this horse now because she's been assured he's in a good place (and is willing to take a stranger's word for it).

        The new owner seems to have no qualms keeping the horse, either...it's kind of odd that the present owner wouldn't immediately start talking about getting the horse back to the original owner if it was a fraudulent sale? Instead, she reassures the duped owner that the horse is fine and he's best where he is. All's well that ends well, it seems.

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        • #44
          All's well that ends well, except that we don't really know that it ended well. Horses "sold" for $1 often don't "end well."

          I'd be suspicious of the new owner's assertion that the horse is in a small herd and thriving. I'd want pictures of the horse with that day's newspaper held up beside him.

          I agree with most everybody that this is a bizarre tale, but there have been so many bizarre tales on COTH that have turned out to be true, or at least mostly true.
          "The formula 'Two and two make five' is not without its attractions." --Dostoevsky

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          • #45
            Color me crazy, but I read the original post as a retrospective. I mean, not at first, but I got there. Who knows? Maybe the OP had health issues that kept him/her from the barn? OP - whatever the entire story is, I’m sorry this happened. I’m a (sometimes) vindictive bitch - okay, probably always when it comes to loved ones, so I’d want to nail the trainer. If nailing is needed...depending on all details. Good luck going forward.

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            • #46
              Originally posted by Ghazzu View Post
              I'm wondering whether the 10 months might not have included getting the lawyers, finally getting the "Bill of sale", and then tracking the horse down.
              If you walk into the barn, and your horse is **missing**, what do you do?
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              • #47
                Originally posted by Ghazzu View Post
                I'm wondering whether the 10 months might not have included getting the lawyers, finally getting the "Bill of sale", and then tracking the horse down.
                Yeah I'm confused too.
                I read the first post as an "open case." OPs horse has disappeared and they just figured it out.

                The second post makes this sound like it happened ten months ago and the OP has resolved the situation to their satisfaction. Then why are they asking us for advice as if they don't know what you do?

                OP I am curious about the value of the horse in question. Was this a low dollar freebie kind of horse that really did change hands for $1? Were you expecting to earn some money? Did the trainer make a commission, either with or without your consent? Did the trainer keep the sales price? If you loved the horse so much why didn't you retrieve him? Where are your other horses?

                Also is there anything we should know about your circumstances that explains why you are so handsoff about your horses, Maybe health issues? Do you ever visit your horses?

                Did trainer even know this was your favorite horse? What has happened to the rest of the horses?


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                • #48
                  Originally posted by yr View Post
                  I thank you for responses and I'm only mildly irked by your suspicions.
                  After I located him, I did speak to a couple of lawyers, and I could have compelled the return of the horse.
                  This trainer has a reputation for misrepresentation.
                  When she finally gave me the bill of sale, it had a first name and a city for the buyer's info. That's how I found him.
                  It's been 10 months.
                  I called the lady with him ( after Google stalking her ). She's nice. He's thriving. He is part of a small herd, he's happy.
                  I love this horse more than I can say. I have to leave him where he is because he is doing so well. It truly sucks.
                  Is it me, or does this sound like the horse version of "We took Fido to a nice farm in the country where he can run and be happy and chase squirrels?"

                  OP, unless you know, KNOW, that your horse is a.) actually at this farm, b.) this woman is who she says she is, and c.) that your horse is, in fact, doing well there, you need to call the police, lawyer up, and go be sure. There are too many stories of too many 'nice owners' who turned out to be kill buyers - you know at least some of them are true.

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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by yr View Post
                    I thank you for responses and I'm only mildly irked by your suspicions.
                    After I located him, I did speak to a couple of lawyers, and I could have compelled the return of the horse.
                    This trainer has a reputation for misrepresentation.
                    When she finally gave me the bill of sale, it had a first name and a city for the buyer's info. That's how I found him.
                    It's been 10 months.
                    I called the lady with him ( after Google stalking her ). She's nice. He's thriving. He is part of a small herd, he's happy.
                    I love this horse more than I can say. I have to leave him where he is because he is doing so well. It truly sucks.
                    Yeah, NO. I wasn't suspicious but now you post this, and sorry, but horse "doing well" is NOT a reason to not retrieve him immediately with the law. My horses do very well with me too, it's not a mutually exclusive thing. I would have made everyone's life a living hell until I got my horse back whether he's happy or miserable. This is why shit goes on in the horse world with thieves popping up like toadstools after a heavy rain, because people let themselves be walked on and let them get away with it.

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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by Kwill View Post
                      My guess is the owner was a hands-off boarder with multiple horses. I would further guess that the "stolen" horse had some issues (lameness? age? behavior?) because the trainer sold the horse for $1, which is generally what's done when you need a bill of sale but it's really a giveaway. Clearly the trainer thought there was some value in moving the horse on, basically for free, to another area entirely. Perhaps trainer was thrilled to find problem/aged horse a home?

                      Then the OP says I love the horse, but he's doing ok now, so I will leave him where he is. Which makes me think she didn't really want to keep him, or couldn't, and now feels bad he's gone but still, it's a relief not to have to care for this horse now because she's been assured he's in a good place (and is willing to take a stranger's word for it).

                      The new owner seems to have no qualms keeping the horse, either...it's kind of odd that the present owner wouldn't immediately start talking about getting the horse back to the original owner if it was a fraudulent sale? Instead, she reassures the duped owner that the horse is fine and he's best where he is. All's well that ends well, it seems.
                      Who cares if the OP is hands-off? Why does that mean anything??? My guess is that the "trainer" did no work, wrote a fraudulent "bill of sale" for $1 and cooked the books in her favor. She doesn't want to give the OP any money. My bet is that there's a lot of money in her pocket that she stole, a tidy profit over just collecting board. Seen it happen before. Hope it comes out who did this.

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                      • #51
                        Still not enough information or an actual recap of the board and marketing arrangements made last year ( 10 months ago) for care and sale (?) of some or all of OPs horses and no apparent logic in the 10 months between whatever happened and this post.

                        Wierd. Think Scribbler might be right. Hypothetical.

                        You know what else weird, this is an uber dramatic, very early AM or very late PM post (depending on time zone posted in) by an OP with a join date 17 months ago but a history of only the 3 posts on here. No trace of anything from May 2018 or the 17 intervening months. Odd.
                        Last edited by findeight; Oct. 28, 2019, 01:52 PM.
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                        • #52
                          Originally posted by findeight View Post
                          No trace of anything from May 2918 or the 17 intervening months. Odd.
                          Glad nothing is from 2918...otherwise that would be really weird

                          Sorry, couldn't help it.

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                          • #53
                            . That was funny, but fixed it.
                            When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

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                            • #54
                              Originally posted by Alex and Bodie's Mom View Post

                              Is it me, or does this sound like the horse version of "We took Fido to a nice farm in the country where he can run and be happy and chase squirrels?"

                              OP, unless you know, KNOW, that your horse is a.) actually at this farm, b.) this woman is who she says she is, and c.) that your horse is, in fact, doing well there, you need to call the police, lawyer up, and go be sure. There are too many stories of too many 'nice owners' who turned out to be kill buyers - you know at least some of them are true.
                              THIS!!

                              I have two horses that I am fostering for a rescue. Their owner in NC died, and a **nice** man said he'd find them a **good** home. Later that week, they were at New Holland, and went on to Cranbury, where the rescue bailed them.

                              This is a common game that trainers will play. There really isn't any money in the horse business, unless you teach a #hitload of lessons, or do some high end buying and selling. And, wow! If you can sell a horse that you didn't have to buy, PRESTO!! Found money!!

                              YOU are your horses advocate, OP. Act like one!
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                              • #55
                                It appears the OP is gone. Suggests, but does not definitively establish, the presence of a troll.

                                G.
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                                • #56
                                  I don't think it's a troll, I think someone has gotten themselves in way over their head, been hoodwinked and is probably having a tough time with people's reactions on top of all of that.

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                                  • #57
                                    A sale for $1 to a friend, which friend then turns around and sells for real consideration to an innocent third party, is a typical fraud scheme too. The third party, if they knew nothing of the historical fraud, can't be forced to give up the property later (unlike the first buyer who would be in on the scheme). So, it's possible she actually can't get her horse back at this point if the new owner doesn't want to cooperate. She could sue the trainer for damages or try to press charges for fraud.

                                    But so many questions. OP's lawyer would have asked dozens of follow-ups before being able to help as well, and police for something like this would consider it a civil dispute and not bother, without a lot more evidence of theft or fraud. No one can really help without all the details. Maybe she was embarrassed for being absent and not noticing sooner - you can make a lot of mistakes that make you an easier target for fraud, but that doesn't mean you deserve it. That's if the details she gave were accurate on their face.

                                    Edited to add - OP, I'm sorry you've gone through this. When I was younger, I retired a horse to a home that had good references (handshake deal), on the condition he would be a pasture buddy only (he was unsafe to ride). Those people didn't act in good faith though and I was very upset when I found out they sold the horse later without my knowledge - I couldn't find him and didn't find out in time to do anything about it anyway (statute of limitations). It's a sad, awful lesson to learn the hard way and I wish you all the best in future.
                                    Last edited by the sandiest shoes; Oct. 28, 2019, 11:27 PM.
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                                    • #58
                                      Originally posted by trubandloki View Post


                                      I am confused.
                                      This reads like someone thought you did not want this horse anymore because even if this trainer was working as your agent to sell your horses, why would you sell one of them for $1 unless you really wanted it gone and there was no market for it?
                                      If the seller is trying to simply steal your horse then why not tell you it died in a pasture accident and not give you a bill of sale for $1?

                                      So either this seller is shady beyond belief or there was some serious confusion and miscommunication.
                                      or the trainer sold the horse for $$$$ and doesn't want the owner to know, so she wrote $1 on her bs bill of sale.
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                                      • #59
                                        The third party can’t be forced to give up the originally stolen items? Really? Am I completely wrong, I thought they do.

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                                        • #60
                                          Originally posted by Chall View Post
                                          The third party can’t be forced to give up the originally stolen items? Really? Am I completely wrong, I thought they do.
                                          That's what I thought. Isn't it called "Possession of stolen property"?
                                          “A man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still.”

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