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  • trainer/agent placed my horse without my consent

    Please forgive me if I'm posting this in the wrong area-
    I worked with a trainer for several months. I had my personal horse at her barn plus several horses I purchased and paid board and training for based on the trainers claim that when sold they would turn a profit.
    !) is this trainer my agent on all the horses I owned, or does some form of consent need to be given for each horse?
    2) My personal horse was given away against my wishes, I cant get any info from trainer as to where he went, I never signed a bill of sale and the one that I finally got does not list me anywhere, only has the buyers first name and city, and lists my trainer as the agent.
    3) I want my horse. I always wanted my horse.
    4) what can I do?

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    I would say if Trainer is not helping go to the police to get some help, but I am in a different part of the World to you.
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    • #3
      The trainer typically acts as your agent only during sales transactions IF you agree.

      If you purchased several horses for the trainer to sell on your behave and sold a horse that was not for sale then you need to go to the police with all the documentation that shows you owned the horse and that, that horse was never for sale.

      Have you tried contacting the buyers to explain to them what happened? I would do this as a matter of courtesy since they bought your horse from not you.

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      • #4
        Have you received funds from this sale?
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        • #5
          Originally posted by TheJenners View Post
          Have you received funds from this sale?
          This. Or did you owe the trainer money, and they are selling your horses to cover their losses?

          If, for example, you had not paid board in months and the only horse with value was your personal horse, I could see how this might happen. Not saying it's legal, though.

          Sounds a bit too fishy that the trainer just accidentally sold your personal horse instead of the sale horses.

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          • #6
            I posted too early in the am, and didn’t read for comprehension.

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              No, I did not owe her any money. The bill of sale she provided does not list me at all, she is listed as agent and the only info for the buyer is the first name. The price listed is 1$
              Since I posted i was able to figure out who has him. I think Ill speak to a lawyer before I speak to them. I do agree they deserve a courtesy call, but I want to understand what my rights, if any, are before I do anything.

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              • #8
                Go to the police. Hire a lawyer. Report horse as stolen on FB groups, etc. to get help locating it. Waste no more time if you want to ever get the horse back.

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                • #9
                  Actually we posted at the same time -- given your update you have a very good plan in place. I thought you didn't have any idea where the horse was. If you know the location, a conversation and an attorney being involved may quickly solve this for you.

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                  • #10
                    You need a lawyer. Depending on what kind of agreement you had with the trainer (it sounds like at the very least you may have had a verbal contract for the trainer to sell some of the horses for you at some point, just not this one) the police may consider it to be a civil/contract dispute, in which case they won't do anything. You can try calling them, but I think likely this will end up being a lawsuit unless just the threat from a lawyer is enough to get your horse back.

                    I presume any remaining horses you have were moved from this barn?
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by yr View Post
                      Please forgive me if I'm posting this in the wrong area-
                      I worked with a trainer for several months. I had my personal horse at her barn plus several horses I purchased and paid board and training for based on the trainers claim that when sold they would turn a profit.
                      !) is this trainer my agent on all the horses I owned, or does some form of consent need to be given for each horse?
                      2) My personal horse was given away against my wishes, I cant get any info from trainer as to where he went, I never signed a bill of sale and the one that I finally got does not list me anywhere, only has the buyers first name and city, and lists my trainer as the agent.
                      3) I want my horse. I always wanted my horse.
                      4) what can I do?
                      Originally posted by yr View Post
                      No, I did not owe her any money. The bill of sale she provided does not list me at all, she is listed as agent and the only info for the buyer is the first name. The price listed is 1$
                      Since I posted i was able to figure out who has him. I think Ill speak to a lawyer before I speak to them. I do agree they deserve a courtesy call, but I want to understand what my rights, if any, are before I do anything.
                      I am confused.
                      This reads like someone thought you did not want this horse anymore because even if this trainer was working as your agent to sell your horses, why would you sell one of them for $1 unless you really wanted it gone and there was no market for it?
                      If the seller is trying to simply steal your horse then why not tell you it died in a pasture accident and not give you a bill of sale for $1?

                      So either this seller is shady beyond belief or there was some serious confusion and miscommunication.
                      Last edited by trubandloki; Oct. 24, 2019, 10:47 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Just as a matter of information, $1 is very often listed as "consideration" for a contract, such as a Bill of Sale. The actual price is different and is not disclosed.

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                        • #13
                          I feel like there are about 1600 pieces missing from this story.
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                          • #14
                            this is why you get everything in writing and have a signed contract. In the original OP the OP asks if the trainer is their agent, later posts say the trainer was their agent. Any time you have any one acting on your behalf, you need a written contract.

                            Without anything in writing, and you have a bunch of horses to sell and turn for "profit". If the OP is not local then why was the personal horse there - as I would think the one you want to keep would be kept closer or the OP would ride/see more often. But as dags posted, there are 1600 pieces missing.

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                            • #15
                              Yes, way too much information missing from this story other than for us to be able to tell you that you need to promptly consult the police and a lawyer. If your horse was truly sold without your consent and the trainer misrepresented himself/herself as an agent and accepted money on your behalf, I would call the police ASAP. However, if you had an oral contract with the trainer that the horse/s were to be sold and the trainer was to act as agent, then the situation is a bit different. I think either way you are going to need a lawyer.

                              Though we are lacking details, this post illustrates how important it is to have agreements--boarding, training, sellers/buyers agent--in writing. I strongly encourage all buyers and sellers to make it clear ahead of time to their trainers and agents that in all cases that the names and signatures of all parties must be listed on a contract, as well as sales price and any/all commissions. It has been my experience that if someone is acting in an honest, above board manner they will not hesitate to sign proper contracts.

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                              • #16
                                Another vote for missing information.

                                If you did not consent to the sale of any horses, verbally or written, ever, you can prove you own the horse, and that your agent acted with malice/criminally, then you have recourse. Get a lawyer. That's a great plan.
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                                • #17
                                  Agree with the missing pieces.

                                  If I am boarding my horse, and I show up, and someone has **placed** (what does THAT mean?) my horse without my permission, I am also calling the police. The lawyer can come later.
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                                  • #18
                                    Do you have BOS, other documentation to prove you are the actual owner of this horse? That's the first thing the authorities need. If yes, then do go to LEO and/or Lawyer.

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                                    • #19
                                      I feel like there are a whole lot of missing pieces here, or a whole heck of a lot of miscommunication, likely both. But if what you say is true, you need to call the police, like, the moment you found out?!

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                                      • #20
                                        Call law enforcement, arrange for a discussion with a lawyer, and file reports with photos and information with FB groups and Stolen/Missing/Lost Horse groups. Stolen Horse International (NetPosse) would be a good place to start with that filing. They file reports for both criminal and civil cases.
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