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  • thatottbgirl
    started a topic Movement of Saddlebreds

    Movement of Saddlebreds

    Hi all,

    I am up late, and have nothing better to do. I am literally laying here, looking at the ceiling in the dark, and a thought just popped into my head.

    How does it feel to ride a Saddlebred?

    I did mainly hunter/jumpers the last few years, so I’ve ridden TBs, ponies, various crosses, and Warmbloods. I actually really enjoy ponies because I am shorter. Warmbloods can be fun, they have such big lofty movement. I also LOVED riding Arabians when I was young, they were very fun rides.

    Anyway, how would you describe a Saddlebreds movement while riding? What does that even feel like? I’ve been told it feels upright (correct me if I’m wrong).

  • Trees4U
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    A few years ago I took lessons, leased and showed a 5 gaited pleasure ASB gelding and he was one of the nicest horses i have ever ridden. I had only ridden hunters, so sitting upright with my hands up and having his head and neck so close was something i had to focus on. He was a gentleman and all business in the show ring. That slow gait and then hearing the command "Rack on" was so much fun ! If you have an opportunity, try it out.

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  • ASBJumper
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    Originally posted by Standard Bread View Post
    ASBJumper Can you PM me the name of the breeder in Oregon? I’m low key in the market and looking at all my options.
    Done! ;-)

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  • Standard Bread
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    ASBJumper Can you PM me the name of the breeder in Oregon? I’m low key in the market and looking at all my options.

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  • oldernewbie
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    And look what popped up on the sidebar:

    https://www.chronofhorse.com/article...the-fei-levels

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  • ASBJumper
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    Originally posted by GraceLikeRain View Post

    I love the nice strong backs on both mares. Did they come from the same breeder?
    Thank you!

    And nooooo. One was bred in Wisconsin the other in Oregon. And they have completely different lines, no overlap. One is old-style breeding (the chestnut), she is stockier and thicker and has big feet and 8" cannons. My black filly is typey and modern, totally different bloodlines. But both were *started* as sporthorses.
    Honestly, if people started Warmbloods the way *most* 2 yr old Saddlebreds are started - with gigantic cutback saddles that press on their loin, heads jacked up in the air, chains on their ankles, big shoe packages and heavy (often male) trainers riding them very young and getting them ready for baby futurities - I can pretty much guarantee many of those Warmbloods would also have a low, wrecked back with no muscling by the age of 6.
    I didn't happen to find two rare, well-conformed Saddlebreds. I simply found and bought two lovely babies off the interwebz who hadn't yet had any SS training and started them myself. The pictures show the result. It's all in the training. Most Saddlebreds with the right start would look just like mine.

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  • GraceLikeRain
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    Originally posted by ASBJumper View Post
    What are Saddlebreds like to ride? My *sport* type Saddlebreds are smoooooth. Responsive, light off the aids, and sooooo comfy. <3

    These are my two Saddlebred mares:

    https://i496.photobucket.com/albums/...psbze32csf.jpg

    https://i496.photobucket.com/albums/...psepvwvdky.jpg

    https://i496.photobucket.com/albums/...ps24bf4477.jpg

    https://i496.photobucket.com/albums/...ps92c5a383.jpg
    I love the nice strong backs on both mares. Did they come from the same breeder?

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  • ASBJumper
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    What are Saddlebreds like to ride? My *sport* type Saddlebreds are smoooooth. Responsive, light off the aids, and sooooo comfy. <3

    These are my two Saddlebred mares:

    https://i496.photobucket.com/albums/...psbze32csf.jpg

    https://i496.photobucket.com/albums/...psepvwvdky.jpg

    https://i496.photobucket.com/albums/...ps24bf4477.jpg

    https://i496.photobucket.com/albums/...ps92c5a383.jpg

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  • Redlei44
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    Originally posted by Bluey View Post

    If something others do is it is not your thing, it is not your thing.

    Now, we should realize that for some, depending on what they are used to seeing as "not disgusting", that can be anything like racing, reining, dressage, even just that we are riding horses!
    I have heard people strongly dislike any and all of those and more.

    Whatever we may do with horses, that we of course like, is why we go there with our horses, we need to remember that many others won't necessarily like it, or strongly dislike it and it may even disgust them.

    Most will be polite enough not to tell us how much they don't like what we do, leave it at a non-committal "not for me", as a courtesy to other horse lovers, no matter what they choose to do with their horses.
    Well said. I think all the time about the fact that there are plenty of people out there, some horse people of different disciplines and some non-horse people, who would be 100% fine if my discipline of choice (which is not SS) and preferred practice of said discipline disappeared from the face of the earth. There are “pros and cons” to all horse sports and as many opinions on horse care and training out there as there are horsepeople.

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  • Bluey
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    Originally posted by Saskatoonian View Post
    Just watched part of the first video that cb06 posted and have zero desire to find out what that feels like or even to see it in person. It disgusts me.

    I have known a couple of saddlebred sport horses - broke to drive then switched to dressage. They were apparently good driving horses but struggled with the dressage. Wouldn't have called them especially level headed. Tiny sample size though, obviously.
    If something others do is it is not your thing, it is not your thing.

    Now, we should realize that for some, depending on what they are used to seeing as "not disgusting", that can be anything like racing, reining, dressage, even just that we are riding horses!
    I have heard people strongly dislike any and all of those and more.

    Whatever we may do with horses, that we of course like, is why we go there with our horses, we need to remember that many others won't necessarily like it, or strongly dislike it and it may even disgust them.

    Most will be polite enough not to tell us how much they don't like what we do, leave it at a non-committal "not for me", as a courtesy to other horse lovers, no matter what they choose to do with their horses.

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  • Saskatoonian
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    Just watched part of the first video that cb06 posted and have zero desire to find out what that feels like or even to see it in person. It disgusts me.

    I have known a couple of saddlebred sport horses - broke to drive then switched to dressage. They were apparently good driving horses but struggled with the dressage. Wouldn't have called them especially level headed. Tiny sample size though, obviously.

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  • tabula rashah
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    They are such a blast to ride. You can go forever trotting down the trail on them. I have a couple friends that are doing quite well in endurance on full saddlebreds.

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  • JustTheTicket
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    I always kind of laugh when people say the breed is brave. I grew up riding saddleseat Saddlebreds and they were the spookiest bunch of nuts I've ever ridden. Its fun to show them, because they were all pretty hot and you can channel that energy in the show ring, but I wouldn't have taken a single one of them out of the ring.

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  • Standard Bread
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    I've had the privilege of riding some ex-Amish Saddlebreds during my wee h/j days, and I love the breed. I just wish the breed community wasn't so...cloistered? Some people I've run across on the internet are...surprisingly hostile to people with a sporthorse but not saddleseat background trying to enter the breed community.

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  • OneGrayPony
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    Here are some of my favorite saddlebred sport horse videos:

    Dressage:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYl5G0A4jFY

    Eventing:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccaQVhD5Udw

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  • cb06
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    https://youtu.be/Z-SPHvu_Pqc

    Perhaps one of my favorite videos of Saddlebred show horses. A compilation from the world championship horse show several years ago. I think it gives a good idea of some of the riding.
    ​ At about 1:54, is a very good rider on a powerful trotting horse, she's getting tossed around a bit.... It is riding on the edge. A lot of good horses at the end racking in the 5-gaited championship class. Note there was a workout of the better horses at the end, the other horses in the class have to hang out in the middle of the ring with a loud, cheering crowd and electric atmosphere...

    They are largely fun, personable, level-headed, athletic horses... For those who have not seen the sport horse types check out some of the Saddlebred sport horse pages...



    https://www.facebook.com/groups/ASBXSDRG/


    https://www.facebook.com/groups/33955644537/



    https://www.facebook.com/groups/372756756171676/
    Last edited by cb06; Sep. 18, 2019, 08:20 AM.

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  • MsM
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    I tried Saddleseat only one time on a Saddlebred. It was really different! Head and neck UP and it felt like the legs were pistons. Odd trying to ride sitting way back with legs stuck out and hands high. I did get little gait ( I think slowgait?) which was really cool and the canter was lovely.

    A Saddlebred show trainer rented part of a barn where I once boarded. Really didnt like the methods of no turnout and short, intense workouts with various noisemakers. Ironically, all that kind of bombproofed some of the horses so they had to keep finding more things to get the horses to react. YMMV

    I knew of two Saddlebreds not used SS. One was a lovely young mare that the owner got because she was a bit small and quiet for SS showing. She looked like she would make a lovely dressage horse. The other was a jumper that I saw a few times at shows many years ago. They would put a gutsy kid up and the horse would snort and go sideways and get in totally wrong to the jump and then clear it! His style was really bizarre and the kid would grab mane and get bounced so you would see air between him and the saddle over the jump, then they would land, point to the next jump, and repeat. Great fun to watch.

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  • Redlei44
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    I took several months worth of saddleseat lessons (gaited and not) and thought it was a fun experience, though not my discipline of choice as rail classes are generally my least favorite part of riding/showing. The ASBs were almost all sweethearts who happened to be trained to show off big gaits and big attitude. Racking was completely foreign-feeling but super fun. I found it to be like riding different horses in any discipline - some you really click with and feel comfy on, and some feel funky or have awkward-riding gaits. As a side note, I found the long feet and consequent lack of turnout to be a personal bummer (but I only rode at one facility and I honestly and humbly don’t know enough about the industry to have an overall opinion. I am certainly aware that there are plenty of other SS sub-divisions and of course non-show horses that that doesn’t apply to anyway.)

    I have never met or observed a sport-bred ASB (that I know of) - would love to, though! Great horses.

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  • jeano
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    I took lessons at a Saddledbred barn, but not Saddlreseat, just correct English "centered" riding. Best horse in the world to learn to post on with that big trot. Beautiful canter. I have gaited horses now, but not ASB. I regret that I have never ridden a 5 gaited ASB, I'm sure it would be a blast.

    I've described them to people as hotter than a pistol but sweet as sugar. I mean hot in a good way, energetic, very willing. They are natural show horses, maybe the only horses I've ridden that seemed to actually ENJOY going around in circles indoors, even when toting total beginners.

    The ASBs I lessoned on enjoyed getting out on trails as well, never saw one use being outside as an excuse to become spooky or idiotic. And they literally jump like deer.

    I'd love to own one. Especially a naturally gaited one, because their rack has to be incredible.

    I think many gaited horses/ saddle horse breeds (TWH, RMH, MFT etc) have similar honest, people pleasing, pocket horse personalities.

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  • jawa
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    I grew up riding ASBs and the first horse I owned was a ASB. He was started as a 3 gaited show horse, but didn't stay "up" enough in the ring, so he went on to become a beginner lesson horse. When the riding school closed, he was given to me. We did pretty much anything I wanted to try. He was an amazing fox hunter. He could jump the MOON! and had amazing stamina. I never found the bottom of his gas tank, even after 20 miles.

    His extended trot was so easy to ride and it seemed to be the pace that he used the least effort for covering ground in a timely fashion. Out hunting we would be trotting and the others around us would be doing a hand gallop.

    He was incredibly kind, surefooted and trustworthy. If you didn't know how to ride, he would walk along, maybe trot if you asked. If you knew how to ride, he could really become a sports car, but only doing exactly what you had asked for.

    I have ridden several different ones, and like other breeds, there can be a huge difference in how each horse goes.

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