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A trial w/ a weird requirement....WWYD?

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  • A trial w/ a weird requirement....WWYD?

    FINALLY found a horse that my trainer and I both like (praise be), and we're able to do a short term lease-to-purchase arrangement. I'm paying a smallish deposit for a 90 day lease on the horse to ensure it's a good fit.

    Seller has agreed to this with one stipulation: she wants us to have the vet look at his teeth while he's here and cover any dental work he needs. He's five years old and has never had his teeth done before. He is acting a little funny re: the bit (which I noticed in my ride), hence the need for the dental attention.

    I find this to be a little bit strange and it makes me a little uncomfortable. But on the other hand, what's the worst that could happen? Maybe it's a wolf tooth that needs to be pulled. Big deal. My trainer doesn't seem concerned. I just don't understand why they wouldn't have their own vet do this. It's weird to me.

    But, anyways.....WWYD? Maybe it's smarter to have a vet down there check it out (on my dime) before I fork over the lease fee and shipping cost?
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    #2
    You know what.....I think I'm just going to have a basic PPE done on him down there. I think I just answered my own question.

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    • #3
      I agree, that's wise. Some people selling animals get to a point where they are not willing to spend more $$ on an animal they are "getting rid of." (And I think that's the mentality that promotes that POV.) When I received my guy he needed shoes badly, and come to find out with shoes as big as his, it's an expensive shoeing job. Oh well. If it were me, I would put the horse first before the money, but some people don't, their frugality extends a bit past where you think it should.

      Congratulations on finding a horse that fit you and your needs. That's the part that counts.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by gertie06 View Post
        You know what.....I think I'm just going to have a basic PPE done on him down there. I think I just answered my own question.
        This is what I would suggest. That stipulation makes me think the seller is aware of a potential and costly problem.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Denali6298 View Post

          This is what I would suggest. That stipulation makes me think the seller is aware of a potential and costly problem.
          That's my fear. I probably wouldn't walk away from the right horse based on a dental issue, but an expensive problem would certainly affect the price I'm willing to pay!

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          • #6
            It's weird but in general horse people do a crap ton of weird stuff lol. I would do the PPE where he was and if that goes through, I'd probably say, meh whatever, trial him and have the dental work done
            "Traditions are basically just peer pressure from dead people"

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            • #7
              good decision

              because

              what could go wrong ? wrng ?


              Jingles the PPE goes smoothly and he is with you soon !
              Zu Zu Bailey " IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE ! "

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              • #8
                I think it would be a good idea to do the PPE before the trial anyway. If something comes up, it may not be worth going any further. Also, if you do have the horse at your facitlity on trial, and something comes up, it is up to you to prove it did not happen while he was in your care.

                Good luck! I would be curious to know what the vet finds about his teeth.

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                • Original Poster

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                  Originally posted by Zu Zu View Post
                  good decision

                  because

                  what could go wrong ? wrng ?


                  Jingles the PPE goes smoothly and he is with you soon !
                  Right? Famous last words!!!!!!!

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                  • #10
                    I think a 90 day trial/lease is amazingly generous, and it seems to me that if they thought something bad was going to show up they'd never agree to letting you have that much time.

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                    • #11
                      Regardless, have a basic PPE done, at your expense, where horse is now before you take him off sellers property. That’s just the smart thing to do.

                      You bring him home, get emotionally attached to him and something reveals itself, seller will say you caused it. Protect yourself and that also protects seller from you breaking him and claiming he came that way. It happens in trials and leases.. Even when everybody is “nice”.

                      Also, what if it’s not just wolf teeth? How about a previously broken jaw or scarred tongue? Known people who bought into those problems, maybe seller didn’t even know but they got stuck with it. If it is just wolf teeth, take him home, those are cheap and little recovery time or aftercare is needed. But you can’t be sure that’s all without getting an opinion from a neutral vet before you haul him home.

                      Sending him on trial to get dental work done is a little too creative for my tastes, unless he’s cheap and I make sure that’s all the vet work needed.
                      When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                      The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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                      • #12
                        I'd agree that it's a good idea to do the PPE before starting the trial, for a lot of reasons.

                        Having said that, though, I wouldn't automatically assume that the owner wanting you to do the teeth is a red flag. Sometimes it's just that the owner doesn't have the time to have the dentist out, or maybe the dentist she used to use retired, or whatever.

                        Good luck, and I hope the horse works out!
                        "The formula 'Two and two make five' is not without its attractions." --Dostoevsky

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by tabula rashah View Post
                          It's weird but in general horse people do a crap ton of weird stuff lol. I would do the PPE where he was and if that goes through, I'd probably say, meh whatever, trial him and have the dental work done
                          This, unless the PPE reveals something that makes you walk. I wouldn't mind paying for a float on a horse I might buy or at minimum would lease for 90 months, but I don't want to take it home and THEN find out the problem is much more significant than just "needs a float"
                          ~Veronica
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                          • #14
                            Maybe the horse has a dental scheduled during the 90 days that he will miss if he goes to your place? I could see doing that if I'd schedule the barn for dental work in, say, 8 weeks and the horse would need done during that period. it would be annoying to have to pay another barn call if/when he got back.

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                            • #15
                              I'd agree to the dental but stipulate a maximum figure for work arising from it, anything above that is the owner's responsibility.

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                              • #16
                                I think some of the posters are missing the part where the OP said the horse was five and had NEVER had a float.

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                                  #17
                                  Okay, they just revealed they are currently riding him in a halter due to these dental issues. On one hand, cute. On the other hand, WTF. Horses who just need a float don't have to be ridden in halters. Now I'm freaked out. Ugggghhhh. Moon River , I think that's a pretty good suggestion. But, for real, this is going from weird to weirder.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by gertie06 View Post
                                    Okay, they just revealed they are currently riding him in a halter due to these dental issues. On one hand, cute. On the other hand, WTF. Horses who just need a float don't have to be ridden in halters. Now I'm freaked out. Ugggghhhh. Moon River , I think that's a pretty good suggestion. But, for real, this is going from weird to weirder.
                                    Get the PPE, if he just needs a float do the lease. Any more than that negotiate the price. With a 90 day lease I’d be concerned that they’d pull a disappearing act.

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                                    • #19
                                      I would ask my vet to take a look in the horse’s mouth when they do the PPE but not actually do any work on it. If something was found to need attention then it’s up to the owner to pay for it.

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                                      • Original Poster

                                        #20
                                        The seller just backed out of the agreement, so I guess it's a moot point. Sigh.

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