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  • Appaloosa or Sabino?

    This stunning photo came through my FB feed today. I at first thought an expression of Sabino pinto, but when I Google search the image I see it's turning up on Pinterest as Appaloosa. And it's true those look like Appaloosa heads.

    Can't find an obvious source for the photo.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=sorr...czEY0zQp5b_6M:

  • #2
    I wish I could see their tails and hooves. Their eyes don't look particularly Appaloosa-like to me. I did Google some Appy headshots to compare and came up with this -- not exactly a scientific sample ("orange" Appaloosa !?!), but he looks kinda like the guys in your pic.

    https://pixels.com/featured/orange-a...=greeting-card
    Rack on!

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      #3
      there's a sabino partway down on this page from an Australian Pinto registry.

      https://www.independentpintohorsesoc...-coat-patterns

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      • #4
        Are they polo ponies? All three horses have their names and forelocks roached.

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          #5
          No idea where the photo came from, so no idea what the horses do. People often do roach the pathetic stringy manes of appaloosas, though!

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          • #6
            Used to be a "registry" for deliberately crossing pintos, Appaloosa and Arabians who were called Pintaloosas. They had some amazingly oddly colored horses and some ugly marked ones too, as the coat patterns mixed in the gene pool. And not in a good way for either color breed. Someone's brainchild idea for colorful, refined looking animals. Based in the upper Midwest, where these animals were for sale. It was a long time ago since I saw the photos, not sure it went anyplace. I did not care for what I saw, so I did not ever check back on them.

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            • #7
              Could it be Manchado? http://equinetapestry.com/category/manchado/
              (Don't know the genetics of that, but the pattern seems right...)

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                Originally posted by bdj View Post
                Could it be Manchado? http://equinetapestry.com/category/manchado/
                (Don't know the genetics of that, but the pattern seems right...)
                I think you've got it! And they are polo ponies with roached manes too! It's a Sabino variation or mutation!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Scribbler View Post
                  This stunning photo came through my FB feed today. I at first thought an expression of Sabino pinto, but when I Google search the image I see it's turning up on Pinterest as Appaloosa. And it's true those look like Appaloosa heads.

                  Can't find an obvious source for the photo.

                  https://www.google.com/search?q=sorr...czEY0zQp5b_6M:
                  My guess is that they are Appaloosas with a snowflake pattern. The lacey blanket on the one behind is a very common coat pattern. The one in the foreground is less common but still acceptable coloring. They both exhibit sclera as well.

                  Since ApHC horses are often crossed with AQHA and there are some unknowns in the lines from the 60's, it could have some non-ApHC genetics as contributors. There is an entire line of ApHC registered horses with excessive white, for example. And the change for APHA to register AQHA horses with excessive white also caused some issues with the ApHC crosses to have what would otherwise be non-acceptable APHA white. Now an ApHC horse cannot be crossed with a DR (dual registered) APHA/AQHA horse, but they could not apply that retroactively to horses already bred whose sires/dams were only AQHA registered at the time. It's created a huge mess, actually!

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                  • #10
                    My first thought was a frame overo paint -- some have lacey spots instead of solid blotches.

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                    • #11
                      BDJ's link to the equine tapestry blog (which looks like a great read) makes me think these may be Argentinian polo ponies. She notes on the blog that the manchado is linked to Argentina, and polo, and these two have roached manes.

                      Further, their similarity to one another makes me think they may be clones, as is done in polo circles.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by goodhors View Post
                        Used to be a "registry" for deliberately crossing pintos, Appaloosa and Arabians who were called Pintaloosas. They had some amazingly oddly colored horses and some ugly marked ones too, as the coat patterns mixed in the gene pool. And not in a good way for either color breed. Someone's brainchild idea for colorful, refined looking animals. Based in the upper Midwest, where these animals were for sale. It was a long time ago since I saw the photos, not sure it went anyplace. I did not care for what I saw, so I did not ever check back on them.
                        Agreed -- some very "interesting" coat patterns




                        Image result for pintaloosa
                        Rack on!

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                        • #13
                          I'd say sabino or manchado. Although there is a hint of sclera, that could just be the direction they are looking, but there is no mottling around the muzzles. It would be best to be able to see the whole horse, plus hooves and genitalia to be sure.
                          "So relax! Let's have some fun out here! This game's fun, OK? Fun goddamnit." Crash Davis; Bull Durham

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Scribbler View Post
                            No idea where the photo came from, so no idea what the horses do. People often do roach the pathetic stringy manes of appaloosas, though!
                            I used to have a Appy that had a lovely full, blond tail, but his mane was essentially one hair thick for the length of his neck I grew it out longer and longer so I could at least do the "scallop" type braids on him.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by atl_hunter View Post

                              My guess is that they are Appaloosas with a snowflake pattern. The lacey blanket on the one behind is a very common coat pattern. The one in the foreground is less common but still acceptable coloring. They both exhibit sclera as well.

                              Since ApHC horses are often crossed with AQHA and there are some unknowns in the lines from the 60's, it could have some non-ApHC genetics as contributors. There is an entire line of ApHC registered horses with excessive white, for example. And the change for APHA to register AQHA horses with excessive white also caused some issues with the ApHC crosses to have what would otherwise be non-acceptable APHA white. Now an ApHC horse cannot be crossed with a DR (dual registered) APHA/AQHA horse, but they could not apply that retroactively to horses already bred whose sires/dams were only AQHA registered at the time. It's created a huge mess, actually!
                              Excessive white - probably the BEB line? Do love that buckskin/blaze/blanket/socks look. Saw a picture once of a "Dutchaloosa" that was from the Bright Eyes Brother line and had exactly that coloring.

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                              • #16
                                Appies do not have to have all the characteristics to be appies.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Belowthesalt View Post

                                  Excessive white - probably the BEB line? Do love that buckskin/blaze/blanket/socks look. Saw a picture once of a "Dutchaloosa" that was from the Bright Eyes Brother line and had exactly that coloring.
                                  Colored By Charlie always comes to mind: http://www.annjentz.com/cbc.htm

                                  Mine was Plaudit bred and had the same high stockings. Lots of interesting bloodlines in ApHC horses, that is for sure!

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by atl_hunter View Post

                                    Colored By Charlie always comes to mind: http://www.annjentz.com/cbc.htm

                                    Mine was Plaudit bred and had the same high stockings. Lots of interesting bloodlines in ApHC horses, that is for sure!
                                    My Plaudit bred horse, Viking Grog (Viking Prince x Hard Bounce) had a huge blanket with smallish spots (maybe a snowcap?), and had lightning marks on his legs but no socks or stockings. His dam was minimally colored (some hip roaning), but Viking Prince was a big roan with spots.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by atl_hunter View Post

                                      Colored By Charlie always comes to mind: http://www.annjentz.com/cbc.htm

                                      Mine was Plaudit bred and had the same high stockings. Lots of interesting bloodlines in ApHC horses, that is for sure!
                                      Might be a lack of coffee, but I'm not seeing BEB in Colored By Charlie's pedigree. The white legs could come from Sonny Dee Bar who has an unidentified white pattern.
                                      ~~Some days are a total waste of makeup.~~

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by jvanrens View Post

                                        Might be a lack of coffee, but I'm not seeing BEB in Colored By Charlie's pedigree. The white legs could come from Sonny Dee Bar who has an unidentified white pattern.
                                        But I never said he was BEB. I was referring to Colored by Charlie coming to mind whenever the topic of excessive white comes up as there are several different lines of ApHC horses with known excessive white. Colored by Charlie is the most current example, as his offspring continue to propagate the coat pattern. Sorry for the confusion.

                                        Bright Eyes Brother is not the only one to have excessive white. My horse had it and was from Plaudit lines.

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