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  • How to arrange blood draw after trying horse?

    I'll soon be flying to try a horse outside my area. I don't know the seller very well, and I've been burned too many times to blindly trust. I want to draw blood for a drug test after my ride. How do I arrange this? Do I need a vet there? I don't know how to draw blood myself. Seems a bit odd to ask the seller...and besides, leaving the sample in her possession would defeat the point. And I think the sample needs to be refrigerated properly anyway.

    How do I arrange this? Should I find a vet and set up the PPE for that day, including blood draw? What if I don't like the horse?

    And please, let's not have this post move into the direction of "if you don't trust the seller, why are you looking at the horse?" It's not that I distrust her. It's a privately owned horse by a nice young eventing pro. I think the chance of shady business is very slim. I just don't like taking unnecessary chances when it comes to horse purchases. Spending a few bucks for peace of mind seems like a fine idea to me.
    Last edited by gertie06; Aug. 12, 2019, 08:40 AM.

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    As a seller, I would never let a buyer personally draw blood from my horse. You are not going to learn on my sale horse! I am 100% fine with a blood draw by a licensed vet at the PPE; in fact I ask for blood to be drawn and held. It protects me, too. I never get involved in the chain of custody on the blood.

    OP, you might want to talk to a vet about how long drugs remain in a horse's system. I don't think you need to get a blood draw within moments of getting off the horse to catch the presence of drugs.

    I have sold a number of horses to out of town buyers. If the buyer wishes, she will make a vet appointment for a PPE at some point after the ride. For example, try the horse in the morning and have a PPE done in the afternoon. Typically there is sufficient time for the buyer to cancel the PPE if the horse does not suit.

    It sounds like you are trying to get a blood test on the cheap. That won't fly with most sellers - you are going to have to pay a vet to get it for you. But I still don't understand why you are not getting the blood at the PPE.

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      Hi IronwoodFarm. I promise you I'm not looking for a bargain on the blood draw. That's really not the case. Sorry if my post sounded that way. What I'm really trying to do is avoid cancelling on the vet if things don't work out as planned. I hate cancelling on people!

      I'll take your advice and set up the PPE for the afternoon (as I am trying the horse at 11am). I can't think of any other sensible options. If I have to cancel, c'est la vie.

      Hopefully I can find a reputable vet who can work on my timeline...

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      • #4
        Nothing wrong in cancelling a vet call. You may have a pay a minor fee, or maybe not. Most of the vets around here are plenty busy and perfectly happy to have a cancellation in their schedule. In fact, be up front when making the appointment. Say that you want to arrange a PPE for a horse you are trying for the first time and will reconfirm your appointment.

        As I said, as a seller, I will ask that blood is drawn and held if the buyer fails to do so. I disclose everything I know about a horse, open vet records, and don't show sales horses who are on medication that would impact performance. (If I was giving an antibiotic that would be different, but not bute, ace, banamine, etc.)
        Where Norwegian Fjords Rule
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          You could try the horse. If you like the horse arrange for the PPE a separate day and try the horse again that day. This way you get 2 rides on the horse before you finally commit to him and you have the peace of mind of the blood draw and the PPE.
          Oh, well, clearly you're not thoroughly indoctrinated to COTH yet, because finger pointing and drawing conclusions are the cornerstones of this great online community. (Tidy Rabbit)

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          • #6
            Originally posted by SonnysMom View Post
            You could try the horse. If you like the horse arrange for the PPE a separate day and try the horse again that day. This way you get 2 rides on the horse before you finally commit to him and you have the peace of mind of the blood draw and the PPE.
            wondering how that would work since the horse could be shot up with ace after the vet inspection but before the second ride.

            Ironwood's response is what I would do, the chain of custody on the blood drawn is important..... and I would have a second control vile drawn just in case there was a lab mix up
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              Originally posted by SonnysMom View Post
              You could try the horse. If you like the horse arrange for the PPE a separate day and try the horse again that day. This way you get 2 rides on the horse before you finally commit to him and you have the peace of mind of the blood draw and the PPE.
              Ideally that would work, but it's a semi-expensive and time-consuming plane flight to get to the horse. Coordinating one day with the seller, my work schedule, and my family was really a challenge.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by gertie06 View Post

                Ideally that would work, but it's a semi-expensive and time-consuming plane flight to get to the horse. Coordinating one day with the seller, my work schedule, and my family was really a challenge.
                good time to have an agent local to the horse to be in the chain so you have a representative who acts (supposedly) in your best interests... might be cheaper than wasting time and money
                Not responsible for typographical errors.

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                • #9
                  I don't know anyone who has pulled blood at the trial ride. It's usually done at the PPE, to make sure the horse isn't on anything masking unsoundness during the soundness exam.

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                  • #10
                    I tried a lot of horses and did what ironwood said. I usually arrange for ppe in case I like the horse, and tell the vet I might need to cancel. Didn't have any problems. Sometimes I waited until I rode and arranged for ppe the next day. I guess it depends on how available the vets in the area are. Sometimes they fail the ppe and you don't need the blood drawn anyway.

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                    • #11
                      if you like the horse enough, draw blood at the time of a PPE, make sure there is a stipulation that the purchase will be based upon the results of blood draw.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by gertie06 View Post
                        I'll soon be flying to try a horse outside my area. I don't know the seller very well, and I've been burned too many times to blindly trust. I want to draw blood for a drug test after my ride. How do I arrange this? Do I need a vet there? I don't know how to draw blood myself. Seems a bit odd to ask the seller...and besides, leaving the sample in her possession would defeat the point. And I think the sample needs to be refrigerated properly anyway.

                        How do I arrange this? Should I find a vet and set up the PPE for that day, including blood draw? What if I don't like the horse?

                        And please, let's not have this post move into the direction of "if you don't trust the seller, why are you looking at the horse?" It's not that I distrust her. It's a privately owned horse by a nice young eventing pro. I think the chance of shady business is very slim. I just don't like taking unnecessary chances when it comes to horse purchases. Spending a few bucks for peace of mind seems like a fine idea to me.
                        If you would like blood drawn on the day or your trial, it should done by a licensed veterinarian and of course the seller needs to be informed ahead of time. It is up to you if you have a full PPE done when the blood is drawn or if you wait until a later date.

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                        • #13
                          Another thought is have them draw the blood and usually it’s 30 to 60 days, decide to buy the horse if it passes the vetting and get a bad feeling and decide to run the blood and something shows up in it hopefully you wrote the sales contract in a way saying if any drugs were not disclosed then you have a right to void the contract and entitled to a full refund.
                          Runing blood samples can be quite expensive... we usually hold ours for the 30-60 days cause anything they have would have show up in a behavior or soundness change .

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                          • #14
                            Good luck

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                              Thanks, everyone! Really appreciate the insight and wisdom. I'm having one of those seller-has-gone-silent situations, so I'm not sure what's happening. But hopefully I get the chance to take your advice.

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                              • #16
                                Ace tests for a week after administration and almost everything else for at least 72 hours. Hope that helps
                                "You can't really debate with someone who has a prescient invisible friend"
                                carolprudm

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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by mroades View Post
                                  Ace tests for a week after administration and almost everything else for at least 72 hours. Hope that helps
                                  That does help, actually. Thanks!

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                                  • #18
                                    If possible I would want to be on site when blood is drawn. Unless horse is very unusually marked with photos sent to vet. Just to be sure for example that the plain chestnut mare doesn't have a twin at the barn.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by CRD View Post
                                      Another thought is have them draw the blood and usually it’s 30 to 60 days, decide to buy the horse if it passes the vetting and get a bad feeling and decide to run the blood and something shows up in it hopefully you wrote the sales contract in a way saying if any drugs were not disclosed then you have a right to void the contract and entitled to a full refund.
                                      Runing blood samples can be quite expensive... we usually hold ours for the 30-60 days cause anything they have would have show up in a behavior or soundness change .
                                      This is a pet peeve of mine. Anyone whose constitution is such that they would drug a horse to try to sell it, is also unlikely to happily accept return/refund. Even if your contract is perfect, you will be out a great deal in time, effort, and legal fees before you "win." Just run the blood!

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