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    started a topic Seller suddenly deciding to keep horse when you line up a PPE

    Seller suddenly deciding to keep horse when you line up a PPE

    This has happened twice in a row.

    Backstory, I am looking on line for a horse for The Tim. Few fall withing his requirements but over the past couple of weeks I have found a couple.
    Twice I have spoken to the owner, decided the horse is nice enough to line up a PPE and twice the owner suddenly decides that they love the horse too much to part with it withing 24 hours of hearing that a PPE is being lined up.

    MY time to spare is short so I would rather find out if the horse is PPE passing sound before I waste a day driving out to try the horse only to find out it did not pass the vetting.
    I know it is backwards lining up a vet before trying the horse but I don't think unreasonable only taking 1 rather than 2 day long drives out to the horses location.





  • Equibrit
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    Originally posted by EventingMaff View Post
    Otherwise can you make sure owner is open to a PPE before going out to visit? Making it clear that no purchase would happen unless a PPE takes place is usually enough to scare off those who know their horse won't pass.
    Errr - I think it did !

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  • SonnysMom
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    Regardless of whether you get a new horse for The Tim you should learn to drive your truck/trailer or downsize to one that you can comfortably drive. What happens if The Tim gets injured or suffers a medical emergency/situation while you are out trail riding and is unable to drive? You would not be able to get your horses home.
    What happens if The Tim is not home and you need to get your horse to an emergency clinic?

    Whether you choose to take trailer driving lessons from him or from a professional that is something you really should get comfortable doing.

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  • 5
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    The article is from '17. what number would I currently call for a pickup in Cerritos California?.
    I have never used uber. Never to my knowledge used the app ( although it may have been down loaded into this device or that).
    Driving myself ill trained still seems safer than Uber with a stranger.

    HH- You are right. Especially when the other riding skilled however non-sailing fond wives of his boat people friends want to ride and I know I don't want to put them on my horse and I am mortified to put them on TTs horse (once again- her lameness is mechanical not painful but lame X is as unrideable as lame Y.)

    However there is a Teamsters union Hall a couple of blocks away that was why I mentioned that as a start. I figured an elder retiree with decades of hauling experience might have the most concentrated form of trailer knowledge
    Last edited by 5; Aug. 8, 2019, 07:36 PM.

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  • HungarianHippo
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    I don't think you need a pro, just lots of practice. It's really not hard, even backing up which most people dread unnecessarily.

    These "unspoken agreements" don't seem to be working in your favor, are they? Feels kinda like you're having to work really hard around him, just so you can pursue a hobby you love. So change them from unspoken to spoken agreements, girlfriend! "Hey TT, I plan on getting out on the trails more often and I know you're not always available to come with. So I need to get some lessons from you on hitching and driving the rig on my own. What days next week would work for you?"

    Once you get the basics of safely hitching and hooking up the lights, etc., then go to the nearest shopping mall parking lot, after hours so it's empty, and practice practice practice. Enlist a friend to stand in the trailer and evaluate how smoothly you're driving.

    If TT is not supportive or would make you too nervous (not judging, I totally understand), then yeah, go ahead and outsource that training. One of the community colleges near you will probably have CDL training that you could take. I wouldn't go for the full Class A course (which teaches you how to drive a semi, which is overkill and $$$). But just imagine how confident you would be next time you had to back up your horse trailer, if you had taken a class like this?

    Anyway, GO FOR IT. Let TT have his interests, and you develop the skills to pursue yours.

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  • clanter
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    Uber

    http://www.equinechronicle.com/uber-...ide-at-a-time/

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  • 5
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    Originally posted by thoroughbred21 View Post

    Can't you trailer out by yourself? And let him go sailing in peace? Forcing a new horse on him doesn't sound like the best idea.
    That would be so much more fun.
    The unspoken agreement was that TT drives the trailer I clean and prep the horses.
    Should I contact a professional truck driver/school for trailering lessons? Space is tight and my trailer is long (3 horse slant with modest LQ).



    Last edited by 5; Aug. 8, 2019, 05:53 PM.

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  • thoroughbred21
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    Originally posted by 5 View Post

    He already has two of those. A 14 foot lido that he has been working on for years, and 22 foot macgregor that is sailable but just sits on its trailer because TT sails on other peoples boats at least once a week to get his 'fix'. He could find a race every night of the week if he tried.
    However when I want to trailer out to ride he has no sound horse so we have not gone out in far too long.
    Can't you trailer out by yourself? And let him go sailing in peace? Forcing a new horse on him doesn't sound like the best idea.

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  • GoodTimes
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    Originally posted by Libby2563 View Post

    That was nice of you. I wonder if she kept him forever. Just curious, did they reimburse you for the PPE?
    I have no idea if she kept him forever. This was long before the time of facebook, etc. I don't recall ever seeing the ad reposted in the couple months it took to find the next horse.

    If memory serves correctly I think they reimbursed me for half and I provided her with everything the PPE vet had passed on to me.

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  • Xanthoria
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    Originally posted by clanter View Post

    I believe the information collected is the property of the vet whose obligation is to give the results to the person who has paid for the inspection,not the horse owner
    True but I’ve never been in or heard of a situation where the buyer didn’t verbally tell the seller why the horse “failed” the vetting, and in lots of cases they’ll even share the vet report/imaging if the seller asks nicely and/or offers to split the cost.

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  • clanter
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    Originally posted by Xanthoria View Post
    Hm, I don't see what the problem is with doing a PPE first. For one, the seller gets some free vet info on the horse if it fails.
    I believe the information collected is the property of the vet whose obligation is to give the results to the person who has paid for the inspection,not the horse owner

    The owner would be out the time of arranging the inspection and presenting the horse to the vet for the inspection

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  • 5
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    Originally posted by Frosty M View Post
    Why don't you buy him a sailboat? You'd be getting him something he wants. Obviously, he's not ready to give up his old horse buddy. Maybe back off a little- let him take the lead and buy himself a new horse (or boat!) or, since I just read the post above, buy yourself a new horse. Easy peasy!
    He already has two of those. A 14 foot lido that he has been working on for years, and 22 foot macgregor that is sailable but just sits on its trailer because TT sails on other peoples boats at least once a week to get his 'fix'. He could find a race every night of the week if he tried.
    However when I want to trailer out to ride he has no sound horse so we have not gone out in far too long.
    Last edited by 5; Aug. 7, 2019, 11:25 PM.

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  • Frosty M
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    OP wrote:

    "He just thumbs downed a 3rd level dressage horse(in our price range) because of maintainable issues. I am about to throw up my hands and quit. He would snap up a wreck of a sailboat and not think twice but any horse has to be perfect."

    Why don't you buy him a sailboat? You'd be getting him something he wants. Obviously, he's not ready to give up his old horse buddy. Maybe back off a little- let him take the lead and buy himself a new horse (or boat!) or, since I just read the post above, buy yourself a new horse. Easy peasy!

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  • 5
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    Originally posted by Garythesquirrel View Post

    I was looking for a horse for Mr Squirrel after moving to our horse property years ago. Mr Squirrel didn't seem too interested in the process and I was getting frustrated so I bought a second horse for myself and everyone is happy.
    I like that.
    I should probably go that route.

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  • Xanthoria
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    Originally posted by OnDeck View Post
    While I understand that doing a PPE first may be a time saver for you, absolutely no seller wants to have to say "A buyer did a PPE last month and passed on the horse." Of course no one would think you passed for reasons other than findings on the PPE because most people only do a PPE a horse they intend to buy. Even worse if you do find something the seller didn't know about and/or has a vet with a different opinion on whatever the issue was.



    There is almost no "vet info" a seller doesn't wish they didn't know about
    Hahah, yeah, but if you got that up front without wasting hours of time watching someone ride your horse, it'd be marginally less painful?

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  • OnDeck
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    While I understand that doing a PPE first may be a time saver for you, absolutely no seller wants to have to say "A buyer did a PPE last month and passed on the horse." Of course no one would think you passed for reasons other than findings on the PPE because most people only do a PPE a horse they intend to buy. Even worse if you do find something the seller didn't know about and/or has a vet with a different opinion on whatever the issue was.

    Originally posted by Xanthoria View Post
    Hm, I don't see what the problem is with doing a PPE first. For one, the seller gets some free vet info on the horse if it fails. For two, a PPE can take less time and effort than someone coming to ride a horse 2-3 times.

    If soundness is the #1 prerequisite to the buyer, what does the seller care?
    There is almost no "vet info" a seller doesn't wish they didn't know about

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  • Xanthoria
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    Hm, I don't see what the problem is with doing a PPE first. For one, the seller gets some free vet info on the horse if it fails. For two, a PPE can take less time and effort than someone coming to ride a horse 2-3 times.

    If soundness is the #1 prerequisite to the buyer, what does the seller care?

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  • Garythesquirrel
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    Originally posted by HungarianHippo View Post
    OK, off topic but I can't get past the idea of spending major amounts of time finding a horse for someone who demonstrates no interest in getting a horse. Repeat often to yourself: If they wanted to, they would.
    I was looking for a horse for Mr Squirrel after moving to our horse property years ago. Mr Squirrel didn't seem too interested in the process and I was getting frustrated so I bought a second horse for myself and everyone is happy.

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  • IronwoodFarm
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    I don't do a PPE with a buyer unless we have a sales contract for the horse. So I would be very reluctant to handle a sale in the manner the OP wants; I would probably just pass on it rather than waste the time. As others have said, if The Tim does not want to engage in looking, then I would leave matters be even if you would prefer that he retires his horse.

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  • trubandloki
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    Originally posted by 5 View Post

    I only call him TT to friends and on this board.
    I have been calling him TT on this forum for 18 years and it is only now being noticed?
    I think the point being made is not that you have a fun nick name for your hubby but that a seller might find that, added to the fact that you want to do a PPE before even looking at the horse to be a little weird so that might be why they are pushing you away.
    If you are not calling your hubby The Tim when you call to discuss the horse then that reason is out the window.

    Calling him The Tim here is ... well it falls into the normal scale on COTH.

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