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  • Seller suddenly deciding to keep horse when you line up a PPE

    This has happened twice in a row.

    Backstory, I am looking on line for a horse for The Tim. Few fall withing his requirements but over the past couple of weeks I have found a couple.
    Twice I have spoken to the owner, decided the horse is nice enough to line up a PPE and twice the owner suddenly decides that they love the horse too much to part with it withing 24 hours of hearing that a PPE is being lined up.

    MY time to spare is short so I would rather find out if the horse is PPE passing sound before I waste a day driving out to try the horse only to find out it did not pass the vetting.
    I know it is backwards lining up a vet before trying the horse but I don't think unreasonable only taking 1 rather than 2 day long drives out to the horses location.




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  • #2
    might be easier and faster to line up an agent to locate you a horse, sure there will be a commission fee but as you noted your time is limited

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    • #3
      If money isn't an issue - sure why not vet prior to trying. Otherwise can you make sure owner is open to a PPE before going out to visit? Making it clear that no purchase would happen unless a PPE takes place is usually enough to scare off those who know their horse won't pass.

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      • #4
        I have always told the seller that I would be doing a full PPE, including rads, prior to buying the horse. I usually discussed this before seeing the horse.

        On the up side, they decided before you paid for the PPE.
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        • #5
          If I had to take uncompensated time to deal with a pre-viewing vetting, I would probably pass on that buyer.


          Let me apologize in advance.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by ladyj79 View Post
            If I had to take uncompensated time to deal with a pre-viewing vetting, I would probably pass on that buyer.

            me too- unless we're talking a big bucks horse and a buyer I know and trust, this feels like a headache with a low chance of an upside.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by TMares View Post

              me too- unless we're talking a big bucks horse and a buyer I know and trust, this feels like a headache with a low chance of an upside.
              we don't do that with six figure horses. Ugh. No Thank you.

              Like vet and buy without trying? sure.
              Look at any available vet reports? sure.
              But have horse vetted and then maybe you're gonna come look? no thank you.

              I'm tired just thinking about that haha
              Let me apologize in advance.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by 5 View Post
                This has happened twice in a row.

                Backstory, I am looking on line for a horse for The Tim. Few fall withing his requirements but over the past couple of weeks I have found a couple.
                Twice I have spoken to the owner, decided the horse is nice enough to line up a PPE and twice the owner suddenly decides that they love the horse too much to part with it withing 24 hours of hearing that a PPE is being lined up.

                MY time to spare is short so I would rather find out if the horse is PPE passing sound before I waste a day driving out to try the horse only to find out it did not pass the vetting.
                I know it is backwards lining up a vet before trying the horse but I don't think unreasonable only taking 1 rather than 2 day long drives out to the horses location.



                You save money upfront when sellers don't want a vet check.
                You know you don't want to take those chances and can move on.

                I know plenty of sellers of lower end horses that don't want PPE's because they had bad luck with vets finding stuff on horses that never had anything showing and they were selling with a clear conscience as ok and now they can't.

                Now, expensive horses, everyone knows PPE will be part of the deal, especially if horse will be insured by new buyer.
                Many of those horses already have previous PPE's also.

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                • #9
                  Have you been very clear to sellers before looking at the horse that you will be doing a full PPE before any purchase decisions? Least you’d save having your time wasted going to look at it only to have seller pull it off the market. Tell them at first contact, not after going to look.
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                  • #10
                    What does The Tim have to say about this?
                    "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in a confederacy against him."

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                      #11
                      The Tim isn't putting the slightest effort into looking. He is waiting for the perfect horse to drop in his lap via word of mouth.
                      There is a horse in Bishop that the only way I will get him out there to look is to say that we are going to the train museum also..
                      Last edited by 5; Aug. 7, 2019, 03:08 PM.
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                      • #12
                        OK, off topic but I can't get past the idea of spending major amounts of time finding a horse for someone who demonstrates no interest in getting a horse. Repeat often to yourself: If they wanted to, they would.

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                        • #13
                          Who is The Tim?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by 5 View Post
                            This has happened twice in a row.

                            Backstory, I am looking on line for a horse for The Tim. Few fall withing his requirements but over the past couple of weeks I have found a couple.

                            Twice I have spoken to the owner, decided the horse is nice enough to line up a PPE and twice the owner suddenly decides that they love the horse too much to part with it withing 24 hours of hearing that a PPE is being lined up.

                            MY time to spare is short so I would rather find out if the horse is PPE passing sound before I waste a day driving out to try the horse only to find out it did not pass the vetting.

                            I know it is backwards lining up a vet before trying the horse but I don't think unreasonable only taking 1 rather than 2 day long drives out to the horses location.
                            I don't know if I agree with the conclusion that the seller told you the horse is no longer for sale because it won't pass a PPE. Assuming the seller is a pro, if they really thought the horse wouldn't pass a PPE, IME it is likely they will say something like, "I'd like you to know up front that Dobbin has an irregularity in his radiographs...." (or whatever the case might be) "...but it hasn't prevented him from performing his job and his price reflects these findings." Sure there are some unscrupulous sellers who will feign surprise when an issue is discovered on a PPE, but there are tons of seller that will tell you what they know upfront.

                            But it is odd that two sellers say "the horse is no longer for sale". I'd be inclined to do a little sleuthing. If the horses are still for sale, the sellers may have said what they said to spare feelings. Maybe the sellers found the idea of requesting a PPE before seeing the horse odd and maybe it made them wary. Horse people are a funny lot. Sometimes it doesn't take a lot for them to "walk away" if a potential buyer's requests are unconventional or inconvenient.

                            Another thing to consider is perhaps the seller has multiple buyers inquiring about the horse. Perhaps the seller doesn't want to get in the sticky situation of feeling obliged to hold the horse for you after you paid for a PPE but before you tried the horse. If buyer number two and buyer number three come along and are told "Someone ahead of you has performed a PPE on Dobbin" IME buyer number two and number three will usually walk away. If it turns out that you don't like the horse when you try it, the seller has lost three potential buyers, not one.

                            I agree with an earlier poster that it might make more sense to hire an agent who can try the horse for you if time is too short to allow a trial before performing a PPE. Or perhaps you can schedule a trial in the morning and PPE in the afternoon. One trip, two birds.
                            Last edited by OneTwoMany; Aug. 10, 2019, 05:52 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by findeight View Post
                              Have you been very clear to sellers before looking at the horse that you will be doing a full PPE before any purchase decisions? Least you’d save having your time wasted going to look at it only to have seller pull it off the market. Tell them at first contact, not after going to look.
                              The OP says they are not looking at the horse first, they are setting up a PPE before ever looking at the horse.

                              Originally posted by Sugarwells View Post
                              Who is The Tim?
                              The Tim appears to be the person the OP is buying the horse for.
                              From the original post:
                              Originally posted by 5 View Post
                              Backstory, I am looking on line for a horse for The Tim.

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                              • #16
                                Have had a horse PPE prior to owners buying horse.
                                The trainer saw a flyer at show and watched horse with his junior rider rock a prelim xc course.

                                She set up PPE, horse passed. They offered full price with 10% non refundable down payment and a four day trial. Full insurance, they break him they own him. We never spoke to the owners until sale was final. Trainer was lovely and easy to deal with.

                                Horse found a wonderful loving loving life long home. My client got full ask. Worked out well for us in that instance. I wouldn’t do this all the time but this just felt right and worked for us in that moment in time.
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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Guyot View Post
                                  Have had a horse PPE prior to owners buying horse.
                                  The trainer saw a flyer at show and watched horse with his junior rider rock a prelim xc course.

                                  She set up PPE, horse passed. They offered full price with 10% non refundable down payment and a four day trial. Full insurance, they break him they own him. We never spoke to the owners until sale was final. Trainer was lovely and easy to deal with.

                                  Horse found a wonderful loving loving life long home. My client got full ask. Worked out well for us in that instance. I wouldn’t do this all the time but this just felt right and worked for us in that moment in time.
                                  That's not unusual. What the OP wants to do is PPE horse before she/anyone affiliated her looks at horse, and that will determine whether she goes and looks at the horse. That's unusual. I'm sure someone has done it, and someone will not be turned off by that, but it's unusual and a bit meh from a selling perspective. Frankly to me it feels a bit like a scam, even though I'm sure in this instance it's not.

                                  Let me apologize in advance.

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                                  • #18
                                    I've been involved in some sales where interested parties vet/consult with vets and view rads before flying or driving out to view the horse.. but those were generally horses across the pond or a region away, and most of the rads/films were already available, along with many videos of the horse in question. These were young dressage and/or eventing prospects. Most of the owners were looking for a specific type and would consult with vet and videos before agreeing to view the horse. It's not the norm in my experience, but it saves time and money for the serious buyer with a big budget.

                                    I suppose for a small string or single horse operation, that the above is not usual - consider yourself dodging a bullet as I think those that tend to not want to perform PPEs are those that know they are selling a lame horse.
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                                    • #19
                                      Saying this not to be mean but to be honest... are you weird in your communications with these sellers? Because you're weird in the communications here ("The Tim", PPE before trying the horse, having to trick the person the horse is for into trying the horse). If I got the vibe that the buyer was weird, I might find an excuse to back out before meeting that buyer/having the buyer's rep show up to do anything with my horse. If you come off like a weirdo or a scammer or just like someone who might be a hassle, sellers will find ways not to deal with you.
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                                      • #20
                                        I did something like that once. I "needed" the money but desparately didn't want to sell. I created an ad and put a make me an offer I can't refuse price on it. When someone actually made me that offer sight unseen I panicked, apologized and took the ad down. She is still with me 7 years later and I wouldn't sell her for any price now.
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