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  • #21
    Why can't you just explain that you don't want her guests on your property and having access to your buildings and animals for safety reasons?

    She rents the cottage and the yard and have her explain to her guests that is where they can go.

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    • #22
      Is there anyway to fence off the tenant house and have like a separate drive so there is a clear definition of properties? I agree with posting signs on your part of the property for no trespass etc. Have a talk with the tenant and explain the liabilities of having her guests roaming around your part of the property and barn.

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      • #23
        I have two questions for the OP.

        1) How long has your friend been your tenant in this house?

        2) How do you know the people wandering around on your farm were bona fide guests of your tenant since she wasn't with them when you saw them?

        You are the only one here who knows the answers to those two questions, and really hard to move forward with ideas without knowing all the facts of the matter.
        Rack on!

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          #24
          Originally posted by Scribbler View Post
          If it's the guests doing this out of sight of the tenant, and not the tenant, and the tenant is a reasonable person, I am sure they will see the point very easily. To me this is a no-brainer, why wouldn't you just run over there and knock on the door and say something ASAP? And why wouldn't you approach the guest right when you saw them? Tell them that smoking is not allowed on the property, and that strangers/visitors aren't allowed in the horse area unless accompanied by you. Why on earth wouldn't you say this the minute you saw it?

          I'm at a self board barn with a public access policy (we are a nonprofit in the suburbs) and none of us have any qualms about telling tradesmen to put out their cigarettes, or telling public that they aren't allowed in certain areas. If we can all do this as we see problems arise in a place we don't actually own (but take a lot of ownership in), why on earth can't you patrol what strangers are doing *on your own property*?

          I would use the occasion to tell the person a bit about horses, why they are or aren't safe, why you can't feed them, and invite them for a tour or a (paid) riding lesson at another time.

          Are you just sitting in your house watching some random guest of the tenant snooping around with a lit cigarette and wondering if you dare say something? Why weren't you out there (preferably with a yappy cattle dog at heel more or less) right away to lay down the law? How is this even a question???
          I have a tendency to overreact and was ready to tell her to pack her bags. We just had a chat about her giving a guest permission to pet my horses a few weeks ago. I was LIVID when I saw this person smoking and going in my out buildings. This is the first time I’ve been a landlord and I don’t like confrontation... I wasn’t sure how to handle it. Now I do, thanks to several helpful responses.

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            #25
            Originally posted by Rackonteur View Post
            I have two questions for the OP.

            1) How long has your friend been your tenant in this house?

            2) How do you know the people wandering around on your farm were bona fide guests of your tenant since she wasn't with them when you saw them?

            You are the only one here who knows the answers to those two questions, and really hard to move forward with ideas without knowing all the facts of the matter.
            She’s been here for a year. I didn’t used to mind so much but I’m getting less tolerant of people being on my farm, in my way, and messing with my horses and my stuff. The person’s truck was parked outside of her house... my farm is a mile off the road... I bought this farm because it’s a mile off the road. I like my privacy.

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            • #26
              OK, you already had a chat about this, I assume you mean you clearly stated that her guests should stay out of the horse area?

              To be a landlord does not require confrontation or overreaction. It requires clear boundaries, stable understanding of what you want out of your tenants, and the ability to speak up in a businesslike way when something needs done.

              I have rented my whole adult life and I have had lots of experience on the receiving end of landlords and building managers asking me to do/not do this, that and the other. They just ask in a clear business like way that makes it clear they are the ones in charge and you better not let your plants drip on the balcony below, or play your stereo loud, or whatever. It is very different from how one deals with a room-mate or a family member.

              If you can't do this, you might want to reconsider being a landlord.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by Scribbler View Post
                I read the OP's initial post to say that guests of the tenant were wandering out of doors without being accompanied by the tenant, maybe even while the tenant was occupied (in the shower, napping, away at work). perhaps the tenant doesn't allow smoking on her rented property? Anyhow, nothing here suggested that the *tenant* was the problem, but rather guests of the tenant that may be acting without the tenant's knowledge or permission.

                I would warn off any guest I saw out of bounds at the time.

                Then I would follow up with a personal chat with the tenant. It's not Ok for the guests to be wandering around the property by themselves and certainly not smoking. I had to talk to one of your guests today. Maybe you could warn them in the future this is not OK.

                Then I would follow up with a brief e-mail. Just confirming what we spoke about today. Your guests should not be entering the horse property areas without me present, and they should not be smoking anywhere near the barns, property, pasture, etc for fire risks. If you could warn them in future that would solve a lot of problems.

                Then I would put up some signs on the direct trail from tenant property to barns. No smoking and please do not enter the horse areas without the property owner present.

                If there are no further problems, it's solved. If a particular guest is repeatedly out of bounds you will need to appraoch that guest again and speak more strongly, and you will need to have a discussion with the tenant about having that guest, or continuing with the rental.

                But until you actually speak up, no one knows that you don't like it,. So you need to speak up.
                You do not seem to be a landlord.

                The tenant's guests ARE the tenant's responsibility. If the landlord didn't explain the rules properly, and didn't have written guidelines, then the landlord has a responsibility to catch up asap.

                A personal chat is a good thing to have, but if it isn't in writing, it didn't happen. If it didn't happen in writing, then the landlord is virtually giving tacit permission for things that could have consequences later. Regardless of what they chatted about.

                This relationship is tightly circumscribed by laws and also by the considerable asset value of the property that the tenant occupies. Renting property is a complex way of managing an asset compared with other investments.It can be lucrative, but things have to be done a certain way.

                If the landlord does not follow good practice, she puts her asset at risk to a myriad of legal complications.

                If things escalate down the road and the landlord hasn't been taking written steps, the landlord is really behind it in the eyes of the law. If the landlord someday wishes to evict, the lack of good procedure could get deep and messy real quick (and very expensive to the landlord).

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                • #28
                  My guess is that you will be giving written notice to move soon. Just follow the state rules on appropriate notice to month-to-month tenants, or whatever is in the lease. When you have to tell someone about wandering guests messing with your animals, and then this incident happens, then it would be the end for me.

                  You have to decide if this is ruining your enjoyment of your property enough to tell the tenant, in writing, that it's over. If there was a one year lease, then I would give written notice that the lease will not be renewed. Hopefully, the tenant will move out on time, not leading to further issues.
                  You can't fix stupid-Ron White

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                  • #29
                    When I read the original post I assumed (I know, bad of me) that this was likely a case of a guest excusing themselves to go out for a cigarette while the tenant was busy doing something else (cooking, showering, on the phone with a relative who not take no for answer, etc) and that guest just mindlessly wandering about while they smoked. Meanwhile the tenant inside never gave it any thought that their guest would be doing anything but standing outside with their cigarette.
                    In other words, I did not make the leap that the tenant was ignoring the instructions previously given by the OP.

                    I think it is a good idea to remind the tenant there are rules and it is the responsibility of the tenant to make sure their guests follow them.

                    I also think it is smart of the OP to know that they have to take a breather before confronting people.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by Nevada10 View Post

                      She’s been here for a year. I didn’t used to mind so much but I’m getting less tolerant of people being on my farm, in my way, and messing with my horses and my stuff. The person’s truck was parked outside of her house... my farm is a mile off the road... I bought this farm because it’s a mile off the road. I like my privacy.
                      I would be intolerant of this too. I sympathize with you.

                      And assuming you don't know if this person was actually visiting your tenant, I'd be more than irritated if I were in your barn boots.

                      She's your friend ... can you just tell her what you told us?

                      Hug for good luck with this. I know it sucks.
                      Rack on!

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                      • #31
                        Originally posted by Nevada10 View Post

                        She’s been here for a year. I didn’t used to mind so much but I’m getting less tolerant of people being on my farm, in my way, and messing with my horses and my stuff. The person’s truck was parked outside of her house... my farm is a mile off the road... I bought this farm because it’s a mile off the road. I like my privacy.
                        If you have run out of patience with having a renter on the property at all then you need to tell her to move out. Once the very existence of the person is irritating you, you will get shorter and shorter with her until there is a blow up over trivia.

                        Neither the renter nor the renter's guests should be wandering around your part of the property, and if they can't stick to their property, they need to go.

                        Privacy and a tenant just don't go together. It's like having a room-mate in you apartment or a basement suite in your urban house.

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                        • #32
                          I’d terminate the lease, but you’re going to have to do so under the conditions described in the lease.

                          Good luck!
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                            #33
                            I definitely need to give her something in writing. I’ve never rented, nor been a landlord before this, so it is still new to me. Does anyone have a “template” for official communication? Friendly letter? Business letter? List of rules? Her lease is up this month and I’d like to switch to a month to month lease. I don’t know how to word that either!

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                            • #34
                              Google sample lease agreement and tenant rights for your state, that'll start you off.

                              As far as your immediate situation I have lived on shared property before and the more you can physically define the boundaries between the tenant house and the farm the clearer it will be. If the tenant and guests drive into a decent sized fenced area that you have gated off even if the gate is open all the time it is much easier to make it clear that the main farm is off limits. Short lawn signs get used a lot to designate private areas, employees only, etc on the big farms here but people still get lost or wander about and I agree with a previous poster that the guest may have excused themselves for a smoke break with the host thinking they would sit on the porch while the guest became intrigued with the animals and structures.

                              OP being a landlord is not something I would advise for someone who likes privacy. It's a lot of work and you have to be figuring on whether these nice quiet people are going to wind up being hoarders that have a child locked up in the basement or the loud guy with obnoxious guests is also handy and does the little repairs neatly and timely to save you trouble.

                              What's really wierd is that I have a tenant screening service ad on the iPad right now illustrating that point. Go figure.
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                              • #35
                                Being a landlord is about having boundaries, respecting boundaries, and communicating about boundaries respectfully.

                                ”Dear tenant,
                                I noticed that one of your guests was going into the barn and fields today. Those areas are off limits to the apartment tenants and guests - could you please make sure that any guests stay in your apartment and yard? Thanks!”

                                Fin.

                                And, I absolutely **HATE** the insurance excuse. Everyone knows it’s just a cop out lie and then you look like someone who can’t set a boundary without hiding behind a bogus excuse.
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                                • #36
                                  Originally posted by Nevada10 View Post
                                  I definitely need to give her something in writing. I’ve never rented, nor been a landlord before this, so it is still new to me. Does anyone have a “template” for official communication? Friendly letter? Business letter? List of rules? Her lease is up this month and I’d like to switch to a month to month lease. I don’t know how to word that either!
                                  Please just pay a lawyer.

                                  And if you have a short term communication need like the guest-in-the-barn situation, just communicate with your tenant like a professional, respectful human. You don’t need official legal language to ask someone to stay out of your barn.
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                                  • #37
                                    Originally posted by Nevada10 View Post
                                    I definitely need to give her something in writing. I’ve never rented, nor been a landlord before this, so it is still new to me. Does anyone have a “template” for official communication? Friendly letter? Business letter? List of rules? Her lease is up this month and I’d like to switch to a month to month lease. I don’t know how to word that either!
                                    From your prior posts, it sounds like maybe she has a boyfriend now? Which is normal, adult tenants probably would like to feel that they can have "guests" stay over whenever they want. IF she is an otherwise great tenant (pays on time, no other trouble, etc) then you want to keep her and get through this small problem. Since you have to redo your rental contract to month-to-month, this is a great time to put in writing a guest or smoking policy. Just let her know the boundaries of where guests are allowed, and that she must accompany them anywhere outside her house, driveway and fenced yard or whatever you decide. Same with smoking - do you allow smoking in her house? If not, make sure her yard is the ONLY designated smoking area, and that you expect butts to be disposed of properly, meaning you may need to get her one of those sandy smoking thingys.
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                                    • #38
                                      Originally posted by meupatdoes View Post
                                      Being a landlord is about having boundaries, respecting boundaries, and communicating about boundaries respectfully.

                                      ”Dear tenant,
                                      I noticed that one of your guests was going into the barn and fields today. Those areas are off limits to the apartment tenants and guests - could you please make sure that any guests stay in your apartment and yard? Thanks!”

                                      Fin.

                                      And, I absolutely **HATE** the insurance excuse. Everyone knows it’s just a cop out lie and then you look like someone who can’t set a boundary without hiding behind a bogus excuse.
                                      Insurance concerns are not at all an excuse, what a strange idea.

                                      Read any insurance policy covering liability.
                                      It is clear what you are agreeing to what is covered and an important part of that is very clearly explained what the coverage requires of the insured as far as how to manage anyone entering the property.
                                      Part of that IS to control uninvited visitors roaming around the premises.
                                      That applies to any possible tenant's visitors wandering around where they are not supposed to be, as here.

                                      At least that is what our attorneys have warned us repeatedly, especially since now we have a covered arena that others may use, like 4H kids.

                                      We are contractually bound to be proactive, who to grant access to where and to make clear where anyone on the premises is permitted to be, with barriers or signs and contracts for those that may possibly trespass, like contract workers or tenant's visitors or such.

                                      OP, do check with your insurance agent where you stand.
                                      They know what is in your insurance policy and may, along with your attorney, know what your obligations are to be in compliance with said contract.
                                      I would not be surprised if to insure your tenant's or any other possible visitors don't roam at will is one of those.
                                      Last edited by Bluey; Aug. 6, 2019, 09:20 AM.

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                                      • #39
                                        Originally posted by Bluey View Post

                                        Insurance concerns are not at all an excuse, what a strange idea.

                                        Read any insurance policy covering liability.
                                        It is clear what you are agreeing to what is covered and an important part of that is very clearly explained what the coverage requires of the insured as far as how to manage anyone entering the property.
                                        Part of that IS to control uninvited visitors roaming around the premises.
                                        That applies to any possible tenant's visitors wandering around where they are not supposed to be, as here.

                                        At least that is what our attorneys have warned us repeatedly, especially since now we have a covered arena that others may use, like 4H kids.

                                        We are contractually bound to be proactive, who to grant access to where and to make clear where anyone on the premises is permitted to be, with barriers or signs and contracts for those that may possibly trespass, like contract workers or tenant's visitors or such.

                                        OP, do check with your insurance agent where you stand.
                                        They know what is in your insurance policy and may, along with your attorney, know what your obligations are to be in compliance with said contract.
                                        I would not be surprised if to insure your tenant's or any other possible visitors don't roam at will is one of those.
                                        Your own post where you suggested this started of with "IF YOU NEED AN EXCUSE..."

                                        Either way, passing it off as an insurance concern just makes you look indirect and like you're making an excuse. The tenant doesn't give a sh*t what your arrangement with your insurance carrier is. It's none of their concern.

                                        The tenant doesnt need to be convinced you have a legitimate reason - if you dont want them walking on a patch of grass because you believe the soul of your deceased parakeet perches there on the odd Sunday then all the tenant needs to know is "Also, that patch of grass there is off limits."

                                        Tell the tenant what your expectations are without any unnecessary side fluff and set the boundaries like a professional who doesn't need to make excuses.
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                                        • #40
                                          You can still have a written and signed lease (by both parties), for month-to-month tenants. It outlines rent, due dates, late penalties, who pays what utilities, what the tenant has access to. You also need a notice period to end the lease. (a note, end of rental payments are when everything is gone from the property, not when the tenant leaves).

                                          Have the rules that will be enforced, including smoking, guests, pets, and that if they try to move a roommate in, they have to get your approval, and put the person on the lease. You also need pictures of move in condition, and move out condition. If there is a security deposit, then on move out there is usually a state law on how long you have to notify the former tenant of issues that you are deducting from the security. It has to be in writing, and sent in a state specified time limit.
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