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  • #81
    Originally posted by IdahoRider View Post
    Done deal. Mare is going back to dressage barn and gelding is going back to his previous barn for retirement. Pony club kid has opted to stay at current barn, which is a better fit for her. Dressage barn is more geared towards adult riders.

    So, all is well.
    Sheilah
    I'm glad you were able to make new arrangements so quickly.

    I wonder if the BO has considered what she'll do about the holes in her lesson string once your two horses are gone.

    Last edited by LaurieB; Jul. 28, 2019, 09:59 PM. Reason: grammar
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    • #82
      So glad you got this worked out.

      Rebecca

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      • #83
        Originally posted by candyappy View Post

        A handful of grain isn't going to send any horse on a downhill spiral. I agree that if the horse needed something to pacify him at feeding times it should have been discussed with the owner and an appropriate food of owners choosing should be provided for that.
        You'd be surprised, then. At one time I was feeding my horse a closed handful of grain - perhaps a quarter cup once a day. He was always a bit sluggish to get going so I started giving him double - about half a cup once a day. He got worse. He turned out to have PSSM and that handful was enough to cause problems even. though I was already doing almost everything right (inadvertently) to manage PSSM. It was a standard horse pellet, not even sweet feed.

        I have one now who reacts badly to some common horse feed ingredients - a handful could make him pretty miserable.

        I absolutely agree these are uncommon examples, but having two makes me rabid about what they're fed. And very frustrated about the fact that they can't eat all the same feeds!

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        • #84
          I feel for you Sheila. That is pretty low to increase charges that much with no notice.
          I am dreading the day when my barn closes. The owners are now retired from their day jobs and I don't know how much longer they are going to carry on with the hard physical work that boarding demands of them. It isn't full care but that hasn't been too much of a problem as I have been able to find help or leasors while I have been dealing with my own health issues.

          I know when my current horse (17 y.o.) is gone (either sold or dead), that it is for me. Reasonable (and that does not necessarily take into consideration only $$) boarding around here is just disappearing at such a rapid pace and I just don't want to deal with it anymore.

          Susan

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          • #85
            I'm fine with a barn changing their fee structure and increasing board, but I would expect a new boarding contract and appropriate notice (per the old contract) detailing such things that would need to be signed by the boarder. I can't imagine doing that in an email- that's definitely something you need to get a client's signature on.

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            • #86
              So Mom is taking over the barn, not teaching, and expecting this to pay for her retirement. Bha-ha-ha!

              There is no money in empty stalls, not that full ones make much. The primary money is in lessons. The fact that only one person is taking lessons on your horse, at the moment, is not your problem.

              They fired the BM, and not horsey Mom is doing the work. This is a recipe for disaster.

              Git, while the gitting is good.
              Some riders change their horse, they change their saddle, they change their teacher; they never change themselves.

              Remember the horse does all the work, we just sit there and look pretty.

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              • #87
                Please take all your Tack with you....now. Sleezy as your place has become I wouldn’t put it past them to disappear stuff.
                the NOT!! Spoiled!! Arabian Protectavest poster pony lives on in my heart

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                • #88
                  There is a lot of swirl going on at your former barn. You've made a wise decision to go. Usually when things start happening like they are, it gets progressively worse. I've seen it happen over and over.

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                  • #89
                    Originally posted by candyappy View Post

                    A handful of grain isn't going to send any horse on a downhill spiral. I agree that if the horse needed something to pacify him at feeding times it should have been discussed with the owner and an appropriate food of owners choosing should be provided for that.
                    That isn't necessarily true. My horse has a history of laminitis - if someone fed him a handful of sweet feed or something similar it could pose a problem. He gets nothing with sugar in it.

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                    • #90
                      Originally posted by merrygoround View Post
                      So Mom is taking over the barn, not teaching, and expecting this to pay for her retirement. Bha-ha-ha!

                      There is no money in empty stalls, not that full ones make much. The primary money is in lessons. The fact that only one person is taking lessons on your horse, at the moment, is not your problem.

                      They fired the BM, and not horsey Mom is doing the work. This is a recipe for disaster.

                      Git, while the gitting is good.
                      This x 100. I've seen multiple barns go to hell when someone, especially a family member, in some cases a new husband, comes in swinging and making rate changes. The end is nigh. The good boarders will leave, the lesson program will disintegrate, the horses will suffer, and it will turn out to be someone else's fault. Or "the economy", the "price of hay", the "price of gas", etc. and after everyone has been gouged to death, the property goes up for sale.

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                        #91
                        I am just happy that I was able to figure it out so quickly. And each barn is a known entity. I am not going in blind in either case. It would have been optimal to have both horses at the same barn, but their needs are so different.

                        If it turns out that I can't find another split lease for the mare, and I just can't maintain the cost on my own, I will simply move her to the barn with my gelding. I think I can swing it on my own. But we will see!

                        I wish this young BO the best. She has some big changes happening and I hope she can hang onto her place and her business through them.

                        The moral of the story is: don't burn bridges. You never know when you might need to return to a barn you had previously left.
                        Sheilah

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                          #92
                          Originally posted by seriously? View Post

                          That isn't necessarily true. My horse has a history of laminitis - if someone fed him a handful of sweet feed or something similar it could pose a problem. He gets nothing with sugar in it.
                          My gelding has Cushing's and is IR. I watch his diet very carefully.
                          Sheilah

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                          • #93
                            Originally posted by TheJenners View Post

                            If a boarding contract says they will provide X% of horse body weight in X hay, that is the contract. If a horse owner wants a different hay or more hay, then the facility is not on the hook for that *shrug*. I have boarded in the past and my contract said everyone pays X amount and receives A, B, and C in return (turnout, water, evening feed, X amt hay twice a day, whatever). When someone boarded a draft with me and wanted 3x day hay feeding and more hay, why should I eat that cost? And why should the other boarders pay the same for what is less?
                            Full care boarding should provide every horse with 2% of their body weight in hay daily if needed. If you have a horse that needs more or less than you can work it out as you wish.

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                            • #94
                              Originally posted by seriously? View Post

                              That isn't necessarily true. My horse has a history of laminitis - if someone fed him a handful of sweet feed or something similar it could pose a problem. He gets nothing with sugar in it.
                              Never mind if say my horse cannot get grain and you feed some, even a handful because it makes life easy for you, and I get charged? Oh heck no.

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                              • #95
                                Originally posted by Denali6298 View Post

                                Never mind if say my horse cannot get grain and you feed some, even a handful because it makes life easy for you, and I get charged? Oh heck no.
                                This is one reason that I don't think a boarding barn should be the one feeding grain( bagged feed). I realize the convenience is for the boarder in many cases, but the horses get to where they expect to be getting something because that feed cart is rolling down the aisle.

                                What is the person supposed to do when the horse who can't have any freaks out? I agree they shouldn't have just thrown OP's horse something to pacify him. In those situations the owner should be notified and provide at their cost a suitable something the person can give to the horse at feeding time.

                                OP should not be charged ( was it 60 dollars?) a month for a handful of feed the horse wasn't even supposed to receive.

                                SERIOUSLY!
                                RedHorses
                                I wouldn't want anyone feeding my horses either to be honest, but OP said nothing about it causing a health risk as it was for your horses. I doubt they fed sweet feed.

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                                • #96
                                  Originally posted by candyappy View Post
                                  I wouldn't want anyone feeding my horses either to be honest, but OP said nothing about it causing a health risk as it was for your horses. I doubt they fed sweet feed.
                                  Like the points you are making in this thread, so are others. Even though the OP has said that now.

                                  Originally posted by IdahoRider View Post
                                  My gelding has Cushing's and is IR. I watch his diet very carefully.
                                  Sheilah
                                  Originally posted by candyappy
                                  This is one reason that I don't think a boarding barn should be the one feeding grain( bagged feed). I realize the convenience is for the boarder in many cases, but the horses get to where they expect to be getting something because that feed cart is rolling down the aisle.
                                  This part of your post is confusing to me (even more so after you post above that all boarding should include whatever amount of feed a horse needs).
                                  Are you saying that in your world the owner should be coming twice per day to feed grain meals? Or am I reading that wrong?

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                                  • #97
                                    Originally posted by trubandloki View Post





                                    This part of your post is confusing to me (even more so after you post above that all boarding should include whatever amount of feed a horse needs).
                                    Are you saying that in your world the owner should be coming twice per day to feed grain meals? Or am I reading that wrong?
                                    I said the BB should provide the hay a horse needs.

                                    In my years of boarding they fed all the hay a horse needed not grain. It was a different time and a different way of keeping horses. I realize things are done differently now, but I still see the flaws of a boarding barn dictating what hard feed and the amounts every horse gets.

                                    In my world the people who grained their horses (all in full care) did it themselves with no issues. I will admit that horses were not routinely fed 10+ pounds of hard feed a day. They got good hay, plenty of it and any grain the owner fed was in addition. Once a day was sufficient.

                                    People here don't agree I understand that.

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                                    • #98
                                      Originally posted by candyappy View Post

                                      I said the BB should provide the hay a horse needs.

                                      In my years of boarding they fed all the hay a horse needed not grain. It was a different time and a different way of keeping horses. I realize things are done differently now, but I still see the flaws of a boarding barn dictating what hard feed and the amounts every horse gets.

                                      In my world the people who grained their horses (all in full care) did it themselves with no issues. I will admit that horses were not routinely fed 10+ pounds of hard feed a day. They got good hay, plenty of it and any grain the owner fed was in addition. Once a day was sufficient.

                                      People here don't agree I understand that.
                                      I've boarded all different types of places and most in my area feed a set hay poundage (or flake rate) and maybe grain that was provided by the barn. One place had lovely hay and if you didn't want grain the "grain fee" in their board would go to an extra 4 lbs of hay. Another had a set hay poundage that they weighed out for each horse, each feeding and only fed their grain with any supplements I wanted and provided no extra charge. The place I am at now will do a set hay poundage (with either lovely or "why the **** did you buy that ****" hay), 1 lb of a ration balancer and what ever grain I put out twice a day. I live over 45 min away so I can't make it out daily to feed my horse grain so I look for barns that will at least feed provided grain 1-2 times a day.

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                                      • #99
                                        Originally posted by RedHorses View Post

                                        You'd be surprised, then. At one time I was feeding my horse a closed handful of grain - perhaps a quarter cup once a day. He was always a bit sluggish to get going so I started giving him double - about half a cup once a day. He got worse. He turned out to have PSSM and that handful was enough to cause problems even. though I was already doing almost everything right (inadvertently) to manage PSSM. It was a standard horse pellet, not even sweet feed.

                                        I have one now who reacts badly to some common horse feed ingredients - a handful could make him pretty miserable.

                                        I absolutely agree these are uncommon examples, but having two makes me rabid about what they're fed. And very frustrated about the fact that they can't eat all the same feeds!
                                        Make that a 3rd - my old horse Jester was gluten intolerant - I didnt even know that a horse could be!! It started as he went like a sedated slug if fed barley - 1 cup in 1 feed was enough. Could feed oats and corn originally , then just oats, then .... well, I went to rice. It's gluten free and you have the advantage of being able to eat some of your horse's feed if you are hungry .

                                        That one cup of grain can be a huge issue!
                                        Still Working_on_it - one day I will get it!

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                                        • Originally posted by candyappy View Post

                                          I said the BB should provide the hay a horse needs.

                                          In my years of boarding they fed all the hay a horse needed not grain. It was a different time and a different way of keeping horses. I realize things are done differently now, but I still see the flaws of a boarding barn dictating what hard feed and the amounts every horse gets.

                                          In my world the people who grained their horses (all in full care) did it themselves with no issues. I will admit that horses were not routinely fed 10+ pounds of hard feed a day. They got good hay, plenty of it and any grain the owner fed was in addition. Once a day was sufficient.

                                          People here don't agree I understand that.
                                          For so many of us, going to the barn twice a day or even once just isn't happening. Especially if work is in one direction, and the barn in another. So graining is part of full board.

                                          As far as grain goes, each barn I have boarded at has offered a range of grain products suitable for different horses, and will work with the owner to pick the right one(s). Where I am now, it ranges from a ration balancer to performance feeds to senior feeds and even sweet feed. If a horse's owner wants something really expensive, the owner will buy it. Owners provide supplements, oils, etc. and these are added to the feed. Some barns will charge extra for a third or fourth feeding for the hard keepers.

                                          Horses that get no regular hard feed typically get a small amount of alfalfa or timothy pellets at each feeding time -- precisely because they can be a PITA and destructive to their stalls if they get nothing.
                                          You have to have experiences to gain experience.

                                          1998 Morgan mare Mythic Feronia "More Valley Girl Than Girl Scout!"

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