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    Yesterday was not a happy day for me. I terminated my boarding contract and gave thirty days notice. I opened the invoice for August and almost had a heart attack. My board had increased by 1/3, and I was being billed well over $1,000.
    I took a closer look and saw that I was being charged $60 a month for both horses to get their fly mask put on before going into turn out. I was being charged $20 a month for grain for my gelding who can't have grain. My mare's board had increased by $100. It was shocking to get this bill without any advance warning.

    So I shoot a text to the BO, and she responds right away saying that she gives my gelding a handful of grain at dinner because he bangs on the wall when the other horses get their grain, so that is where that charge came from. And on and on. Then she said that I should be looking at an extra $80, and what is the big deal about that amount. Still texting, I told her that my mare's board had increased by $100, so what was up with that. I texted that I was on my way out. She responded and said we could talk when I got out there.

    By the time I made the 15 minute drive, the BO was laying down and napping. BO's Mom said that she would be the one talking to me anyway, so no harm done with the missing BO. I should explain that BO is 26 years old. She bought the property when she was 22, 23 years old. She has been running it. Her Mom lives on the property, but has never had anything to do with the horses. She knows names and is happy to visit, but she doesn't ride or teach lessons. BO is pregnant and there is a lot of stress involved and BO is doing this pregnancy on her own. They had a great barn manager and I wasn't too worried about the baby changing things, since the BM was the one getting the day to day stuff done.

    Anyway, I sit down with BO's Mom and she hands me some printed pages and told me that everything that was changed about my contract was covered in the print out. Then she said that she knew I didn't read my e-mails from the BO, but if I had read them I would have known that they told people in mid-April that the rates for everything were going up, starting June 1. I explained that her daughter had told me in April that none of that applied to me because she used both my horses in the lesson program and my board was staying the same because of that use.

    BO's Mom said that was ridiculous, that nobody should get a discount for their horses being used in lessons because that is really just free exercise for the horses. And anyway, Noodle (my senior gelding) is only being used for one student now, so he only has two lessons a week). Then she went on to tell me that I have been shortchanging them for years, but they never said anything because they liked me.

    I pointed out that I had paid what I thought was the right amount for June and July. I asked why, if the amount had increased on June 1, nobody had said anything. She didn't have an answer for me. She just went into this kind of rant about how she is taking over the business end of the barn and that the property and program represent her retirement and she is working too hard to see it go to pot. They had fired the BM and BO's Mom was out there every day doing the hard work. I told her I haven't seen an invoice in over a year and she said that is because they knew I never read them, so they often didn't bother sending one.

    I was speechless. She kept trying to get me to read the print out and I kept telling her that the print out was not the problem that I was struggling with. I pointed out that I felt like the BO was going back on her word that increases wouldn't impact me and that my horses were being used and I was not being compensated for that use. And that was not something I was willing to agree to. So I gave my 30 day notice. I have NEVER given notice without knowing where I was moving first.

    I have no idea where I am going to move them. I still have the teen aged girl doing a half lease. I texted her Mom and was told they would like to continue the lease if I could find a barn that had a lesson program for daughter.

    I am still in shock. I feel like a house landed on me. Thank you for lending your ear to my long tale.
    Sheilah
    Last edited by IdahoRider; Jul. 26, 2019, 05:01 PM. Reason: Did not want to sound judgemental.

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    oh my/ hugs to you. Are you in Idaho? Where? I'm not there but I have a friend who was, and might know options.... and I have a friend around Twin Falls who trains but not sure if she boards.....

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    • #3
      I guess this a hard way to learn to always get it in writing, though since "they haven't been sending you invoices because you don't read them" I think that makes them people you are better off not doing business with.
      Courageous Weenie Eventer Wannabe
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      • #4
        So sorry this is happening. I hope you find a great new place to board.

        Rebecca

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        • #5
          Look at Oakrise Horse Farm in Goffstown NH. Nothing fancy but will work until you find something more permanent. $650/month. Full service. I don't ride there anymore because my trainer resigned there and I am following him elsewhere but none the less they are still a good place. They are going through renovations to make it look better but I am not sure when those are gonna be done.

          If you are in TX then look at either Ceder Lane Stables or Callegari Equestrian Center. They are both VERY fancy and have amazing people. I rode at both of them when I lived in TX.

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          • #6
            When things go like you describe, you need to move asap.

            Even if you have to pay the 30 days you don't use, get out of there.

            Nothing will fix crazy disorganized like that.
            If crazy gets mad, I would worry about your horse's wellbeing.

            Really, call vets, farriers, feed stores, any and all for leads to another barn and move out of there.

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            • #7
              This is why, if there's ANY hint of drama/crazy with people in a boarding situation, I give full notice, pay for the month, but have plans to move asap. Hardly anyone minds getting paid for an empty stall, and it saves a lot of anxiety.

              I've been very lucky in that my last two barns (and the current one) are wonderful, businesslike, and I don't have to worry about this, but I've had to do this a couple times in my life.
              "smile a lot can let us ride happy,it is good thing"

              My CANTER blog.

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              • #8
                I second Bluey. My trainer which I mentioned in my first post gave 30 days notice when he resigned from his job as a BM. 2 days later the BO sent him an email saying he needed to be out in 2 weeks. The next day they said that he needed to be out in 1 week. Keep in mind he lives on property and the wanted him out of his house as well. 3 days later they showed up on his doorstep and said that he needs to be out. He said no and that he will be here for the next 4 days until he has to leave. They didn't leave him alone for 15 mins and then called the police.

                Bottom line is when things go against you contract you need to get out asap, even if you still pay for stuff. find another barn or a friends property that you can keep your horses at and just leave. before things have a chance to get ugly with the BM and BO.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by IdahoRider View Post
                  Yesterday was not a happy day for me. I terminated my boarding contract and gave thirty days notice. I opened the invoice for August and almost had a heart attack. My board had increased by 1/3, and I was being billed well over $1,000. I took a closer look and saw that I was being charged $60 a month for both horses to get their fly mask put on before going into turn out. I was being charged $20 a month for grain for my gelding who can't have grain. My mare's board had increased by $100. It was shocking to get this bill without any advance warning.
                  If your board went up by 1/3 to over $1,000 for two horses, that suggests prior stall board was no more than $370 per horse. Maybe I'm missing something, but that sounds incredibly cheap.

                  Sounds like the BO handled the communication very, very poorly. Having said that, I have no idea how she can make ends meet boarding horses at $370 a month (assuming that is the right figure).

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                  • #10
                    Gosh this sucks.
                    The crazy that is epidemic in horse people is why I am glad I no longer ride.
                    Yo/Yousolong April 23rd, 1985- April 15th, 2014

                    http://notesfromadogwalker.com/2012/...m-a-sanctuary/

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                    • #11
                      IdahoRider I first want to say how sorry I am that this is happening to you. Really awful way to treat you, especially after using your horses for lessons. I'd be very upset too.

                      I'd prioritize my next steps, in other words after allowing myself to feel crap over their treatment of me I'd store that away in a box and put all my energies into finding another place, even if it's just temporary.

                      I say this because so much of our physical and emotional energy can be drained by people who just aren't worth it and are unlikely to be a part of our future life so now's not the time to let them suck one more bit out of you.

                      Give up on any conversations with them about the past/present and maintain a polite, cool, businesslike approach when dealing with them. Start nonchalantly collecting your stuff and don't give them any more reason to think you're upset.

                      In other words there's unlikely to be hope of any kind of positive end game with these people. So now you've moved into 'management' territory. You need to manage them in a way that results in the best final outcome for you and your animals.

                      Act (as in actor) if you have to. It frees you up to focus on what's good for you.
                      One touch of nature makes the whole world kin.
                      William Shakespeare

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                      • #12
                        I am a little shocked that they have been giving your horse grain without informing you and then charging for it? I find going with your gut instinct is best and things will work out in that way.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by OneTwoMany View Post

                          If your board went up by 1/3 to over $1,000 for two horses, that suggests prior stall board was no more than $370 per horse. Maybe I'm missing something, but that sounds incredibly cheap.
                          It was so cheap because she was using both my horses in her lesson program. Which they wanted to continue to do, just not compensate me for their use because they were considering it "free exercise" for my horses. My board went from $850 for both horses to $1,150. Which is totally their right to do. But I won't just shrug off the continued use of my horses without compensation.

                          My gelding is going back to the barn we had been at prior to moving to this barn. It is close to my school where I teach, so I can keep up on his medication. It is proving to be harder to find a barn for my mare. The pony club kid who has the half lease on my mare would like to continue that half lease, but she wants a barn that has an indoor and she wants to have access to her mounted pony club meetings. That is hard. There are not that many indoor arenas here.

                          I hope it doesn't get weird. I will not hesitate to move them both out now if I have to. I have already paid for August, but peace of mind is priceless.
                          Sheilah

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                          • #14
                            The fact that your board was 'incredibly cheap' does not enter into it - other than to point up the fact that the BO's may not have much clue about the business. (Which they have since demonstrated many ways)

                            I, too, would be alarmed at your gelding 'who cannot have grain' was given grain without your knowledge. Yikes! And then to charge you for it, retroactively? Insane.

                            Unfortunately, it would have been wise to get all your 'understandings' with the BO spelled out in writing.

                            Get out asap. I have seen this sort of thing before: the whole setup is a recipe for disaster. (eta: it's already weird.)
                            No matter where you go, there you are

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by KingRocker4Life View Post
                              Look at Oakrise Horse Farm in Goffstown NH. Nothing fancy but will work until you find something more permanent. $650/month. Full service. I don't ride there anymore because my trainer resigned there and I am following him elsewhere but none the less they are still a good place. They are going through renovations to make it look better but I am not sure when those are gonna be done.

                              If you are in TX then look at either Ceder Lane Stables or Callegari Equestrian Center. They are both VERY fancy and have amazing people. I rode at both of them when I lived in TX.
                              I am actually out in Idaho.
                              Sheilah

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                                #16
                                Originally posted by lorilu View Post
                                Are you in Idaho? Where? I
                                I am in the Boise area.
                                Sheilah

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by IdahoRider View Post
                                  It was so cheap because she was using both my horses in her lesson program. Which they wanted to continue to do, just not compensate me for their use because they were considering it "free exercise" for my horses. My board went from $850 for both horses to $1,150. Which is totally their right to do. But I won't just shrug off the continued use of my horses without compensation.

                                  My gelding is going back to the barn we had been at prior to moving to this barn. It is close to my school where I teach, so I can keep up on his medication. It is proving to be harder to find a barn for my mare. The pony club kid who has the half lease on my mare would like to continue that half lease, but she wants a barn that has an indoor and she wants to have access to her mounted pony club meetings. That is hard. There are not that many indoor arenas here.

                                  I hope it doesn't get weird. I will not hesitate to move them both out now if I have to. I have already paid for August, but peace of mind is priceless.
                                  Sheilah
                                  Why not leave the mare where she is ? Let the person leasing her pay the $100 added to the board since they like it there? As long as you are happy with the care.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by candyappy View Post

                                    Why not leave the mare where she is ? Let the person leasing her pay the $100 added to the board since they like it there? As long as you are happy with the care.
                                    Because once someone shows you who they are, here crazy and inconsistent, why would you expect that to change?
                                    Why leave a horse in the middle of that, where it may come to harm by some of the craziness?

                                    Horse is also being used for lessons there, remember?

                                    Better be proactive if possible and not go there, make a clean break of all that.

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                                    • #19
                                      Their raising their prices should not be the great offense you are taking it as. It's nothing personal-- as some have already said, you were getting dirt cheap board that almost surely did not cover their costs. And given that lesson frequency has gone down, they're not making the same revenue off your horses that they had been. Be completely positive and professional in your comms with them for the rest of the month, and don't rise to the bait if they're jerky to you.

                                      I'd take your saddle and anything of high value with you now, and for the next month just deal with the hassle of schlepping it back/forth. This way, if things go sour you're not giving the BO anything to hold hostage to get more payments out of you. No more using your horse in lessons-- compensation or not. Communicate this politely and professionally in writing. The time to disentangle yourself from them is right now.

                                      PS Would be a good idea to take off your judgypants about the younger BO and the "baby daddy drama". A tiny bit of empathy might be in order for this soon-to-be single mother and grandmother who is now looking at the need to step back into a BO role when she probably doesn't want to. I realize you are upset, but give some thought as to whether your scorn is coming across to them. <Narrator: It usually does>

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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by HungarianHippo View Post

                                        PS Would be a good idea to take off your judgypants about the younger BO and the "baby daddy drama". A tiny bit of empathy might be in order for this soon-to-be single mother and grandmother who is now looking at the need to step back into a BO role when she probably doesn't want to. I realize you are upset, but give some thought as to whether your scorn is coming across to them. <Narrator: It usually does>
                                        Did not intent to come across as judgy or scornful. I was a 26 year old single parent, too. I could have found a less loaded description than the one I used, for sure.
                                        Sheilah

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