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PETA, I mean F*#! Book, limiting sales ads of horses and other animals

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  • PETA, I mean F*#! Book, limiting sales ads of horses and other animals

    Seems peta has bought into Eff Book and doesn't want anyone selling animals and are putting sellers in Eff Book jail.

    https://www.facebook.com/EquiSaleSpo...105899?__xts__[0]=68.ARABjaZqT_NEhapN_J0tCPcXIy4DKa_MZIeP8ncqWnCjpO Qq-y8QShybQYSSZ0esENO6k6O7RsZ87u5x7hN3arD1f4jNI1jmH6J CXuGMoeqk4HW8Nup-MlYlt7iEQRvJbETCF-E7L8bEtPtJapsdo7p_uuadVPYq9hmikBTuxTbda5r3NJb81hQB MK0TvCkQtOds33sDfPVATB4ENY0NHNuQS05PILVo0Rv5G6NquE emUjgbXyTFv_CK4cLtJXT5VAUpPMoJNx7Yxhel4debcJAAFpuJ 3wo48fGAPdA86W3R0yeljmmWAe9fWbceteR6qVqVlUXbom6zBx a98XlUPAImMg&__xts__[1]=68.ARCjhxOtAZ8SFOnLUTXuc1AVLraTNo4QxTSqZ5mGpGxTpA iyElB6J-EQ7I-Os7ohzqAau1dXgbdY-cVm3k1ZcPB1m8xooVoBP3GIcBa8lYBmznslVZwolHU7WW5IGCA gYGL8hu2RaVo3BjuzXGtxJvwinXgrLETZ50AUPj8btZBa9HtHM p84yMmzRZn3cBxx-cEF5uMk9N5ubPVcq0yUT8Z18uH8Jz_eV5fiTm5MiA1gerN0puD Y9a2oDvYCK0ddeF0-_kblnxB5eqz4Jqs-co7AjvoB-OgenuoHisBQfgyD-5yhroALy5VIM0_8JVqTQfyVdltjMyNPqPiQBbJu4KXqVw&__tn __=-R
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    Facebook has always banned animal sales--it just wasn't very enforced. They made a run of it ... last year, I think it was? ... and that led to a lot of "halter for sale, horse thrown in" ads.

    That Facebook is finally enforcing their long standing policy with some force is just not something to get that upset about? It was never supposed to be an animal sales platform.

    A lot of people are using MeWe for that now.

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    • #3
      Most people around here post on their own page, then take a screen shot and use that to post to other sales pages.
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      • #4
        This is nothing new. This is nothing that wasn't supposed to be happening before. Yes, FB is convenient... but as stated above it was never meant to sell animals and this is a CYA on their end. I'd rather see just a small snippet on FB with a link to a website with lots more information that gets less clustered than FB does, but that is just my preference.

        There are plenty of ways to circumvent the filters they have. However, you will be dealing with "flaggers" who go around flagging anything because they can and believe they make great FB police. Most people, especially in the horse sales groups, aren't going to report anything. You can use "halter for sale, comes with model, see page for details" linking to a website which seems to work well. You can also copy and paste fancy numbers instead of trying to spell it out or use regular text.

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        • #5
          When that FB post came across my feed this morning (shared by someone I follow), I was absolutely gobsmacked by the tone of it - saying that Facebook is a "blessing" and emphasizing how many wonderful people have been connected buying and selling horses there. Really?

          I for one will be happy if horse sales move primarily to another platform - where I can like search by criteria and location.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Simkie View Post
            Facebook has always banned animal sales--it just wasn't very enforced. They made a run of it ... last year, I think it was? ... and that led to a lot of "halter for sale, horse thrown in" ads.

            That Facebook is finally enforcing their long standing policy with some force is just not something to get that upset about? It was never supposed to be an animal sales platform.

            A lot of people are using MeWe for that now.
            They used to explicitly exempt livestock, but yeah they changed that a few months ago. I was actually just talking with a mod of one of my buy/sell pages this morning about the strategies people use to get around it.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Standard Bread View Post

              They used to explicitly exempt livestock, but yeah they changed that a few months ago. I was actually just talking with a mod of one of my buy/sell pages this morning about the strategies people use to get around it.
              I don't know about that, people have been having issues selling horses on FB for at least two or three years now.

              I think they just go on enforcement runs where a bunch of people experience facebook jail at the same time, so they think it's something new. I also think people who have had their pages taken down will report others out of anger/spite/fairness, so you get bunches of takedowns all at once.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Groom&Taxi View Post
                When that FB post came across my feed this morning (shared by someone I follow), I was absolutely gobsmacked by the tone of it - saying that Facebook is a "blessing" and emphasizing how many wonderful people have been connected buying and selling horses there. Really?

                I for one will be happy if horse sales move primarily to another platform - where I can like search by criteria and location.
                Yes really. I sold a very cute gelding in 24 hours on Facebook. Sold a nice trail mare that way, too. I was able to weed out some buyers via their photos and friends (rough looking horses, abusive riding) and sometimes mutual friends sealed the deal.

                is it where I would look for my next GP horse? No. Trail horses? All day long.

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                • #9
                  Well, I find it annoying. I tend to look at breeder pages, and it is nice to have a collection of breeders in the same group, and to see all their foals in a more conversational and impromptu tone than the conformation/glamour photos you would find in a normal webpage listing. As well as the comments by other breeders and potential buyers. They tend to be very supportive of each other.

                  One user came up with the idea of putting the price ON the photo -- and that would be hard for any programmer to code for to detect, but it wouldn't deter the human FB police from turning them in.

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                  • #10
                    I think it's a shame, but think FB has had this rule a long time, and if they want to enforce it that's their own prerogative. I love window-shopping and do a lot of it on some for-sale pages

                    I also really like the various pages for breeders, young horses, and event horses - TONS of different types out there and all a click away to view..

                    That being said I did really like FB for how easy it was to comb through and look at advertisements. Websites can be clunky and annoying to navigate and not everyone can code well or even coherently. FB is easy to use.

                    Seeing videos and even being able to go through someone's FB and see that horse in various photos besides the ones the OP decided to pick... I really like that, because it gives me more perspective about the rider and/or horse that you can't get on other mediums. Plus, I love how easy it is to share and see videos.

                    I've posted horses on Dreamhorse, gone through word of mouth, and also posted on several other sale websites.. and wouldn't get much interest.. but the one time I posted on FB, I posted my gelding for free lease this spring.. I had 40 comments within two hours and over 30 private messages
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                    • #11
                      The fact that PETA is a shareholder in FB is practically meaningless. They do not have a controlling interest--they simply own some of the stock, as any one of us could also do.

                      Owning stock enables them to go to shareholder meetings and push their agenda, but unless they have enough support from other shareholders, they can't actually change anything.

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                      • #12
                        It's unfortunate but I don't see the need to get that worked up over it. It's always been against FB rules to post animals for sale.

                        I too would much rather these horses be posted where they can be sorted by location, price, height etc.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Groom&Taxi View Post
                          When that FB post came across my feed this morning (shared by someone I follow), I was absolutely gobsmacked by the tone of it - saying that Facebook is a "blessing" and emphasizing how many wonderful people have been connected buying and selling horses there. Really?

                          I for one will be happy if horse sales move primarily to another platform - where I can like search by criteria and location.
                          This x1000. FB is a horrible platform for horse buyers. It’s convenient for sellers - that is, sellers who don’t mind making it hard for buyers to find their horse...

                          Please horse sellers: use a site like Dreamhorse etc where buyers can search by important criteria and you’re prompted to give all the relevant info (height! Age! Location!) by the platform, which presents it in easy to read (consistent) format, vs leaving it all out (or hiding it in the comments) like people do all the time in FB...

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Xanthoria View Post

                            This x1000. FB is a horrible platform for horse buyers. It’s convenient for sellers - that is, sellers who don’t mind making it hard for buyers to find their horse...

                            Please horse sellers: use a site like Dreamhorse etc where buyers can search by important criteria and you’re prompted to give all the relevant info (height! Age! Location!) by the platform, which presents it in easy to read (consistent) format, vs leaving it all out (or hiding it in the comments) like people do all the time in FB...
                            I think FB works really well for a lot of people, especially people who have built up a following. Partly that works because people following the seller might see something they know someone else will like, and the horse gets networked around very quickly. And partly because people who may be actively looking see a horse and get interested even though it's not one that would have popped up in their search (say they are searching dreamhorse for something 16 hands or higher - they'd miss the 15.3 big bodied guy that happens to be spectacular. But on FB that horse is more likely to come across their feed). I also think FB tends to pull in buyers sometimes who aren't actively looking for a horse, but then they see the right one come along.
                            "smile a lot can let us ride happy,it is good thing"

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by caffeinated View Post

                              I think FB works really well for a lot of people, especially people who have built up a following. Partly that works because people following the seller might see something they know someone else will like, and the horse gets networked around very quickly. And partly because people who may be actively looking see a horse and get interested even though it's not one that would have popped up in their search (say they are searching dreamhorse for something 16 hands or higher - they'd miss the 15.3 big bodied guy that happens to be spectacular. But on FB that horse is more likely to come across their feed). I also think FB tends to pull in buyers sometimes who aren't actively looking for a horse, but then they see the right one come along.
                              Absolutely agree! There are a lot of trainers (OTTB retrainers and otherwise) who I now follow because I've consistently seen their ads, how they deal with customers, the quality of horses they bring along from unloading thru first rides thru first jumps, the "graduates" who have moved on to others who are doing incredibly well with new owners, AND unfortunately I see the bad side and know what trainers to avoid because I don't like how they are training the horses or how they treat other people. While I'm not in the market right this moment, I have a list of those who I'd contact in a heartbeat to find me a horse when it is time - and hell sometimes the right one comes across and it is all I can do to say "not yet, not yet... be patient".

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                              • #16
                                There have been some good points made on this thread about why FB has become a popular horse sales platform - the most salient I think being that it's an app people are using for other reasons, and as a platform, it is easier than many other sites or apps to post pictures and vids. However, if you can figure out how to get all clever on FB to avoid getting flagged, you should be able to figure out Dreamhorse or your platform of choice. To get all offended and emotional because *#*$*(^! FB is trying to enforce a policy that they have a right to make and enforce seems over the top.

                                The ability to see who else might be connected to a horse of interest, tag potential buyers, and generally "creep" - whether on the buying or selling side - is useful. However, those abilities don't necessarily go away if FB is not the base sales platform.

                                I realize Facebook is a behemoth and removing all the horse sale groups is not a matter of just clicking a button, but I for one am really, really tired of this grey zone with all the disguising of horse sale ads to try to make them not look like outright sales ads - as well as the fact that almost every sale ad I see by a casual seller leaves out at least one key filter (breed, age, gender, height, location). I dunno, maybe they do this on purpose to generate traffic by having somebody ask.

                                Legit question which I could probably find an answer to but is easier to ask - is linking to a web site with a horse sale ad ok per FB policy?

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by caffeinated View Post

                                  I think FB works really well for a lot of people, especially people who have built up a following. Partly that works because people following the seller might see something they know someone else will like, and the horse gets networked around very quickly. And partly because people who may be actively looking see a horse and get interested even though it's not one that would have popped up in their search (say they are searching dreamhorse for something 16 hands or higher - they'd miss the 15.3 big bodied guy that happens to be spectacular. But on FB that horse is more likely to come across their feed). I also think FB tends to pull in buyers sometimes who aren't actively looking for a horse, but then they see the right one come along.
                                  I agree that FB is a social media tool, and that Dreamhorse et al haven't really figured out a way to socialize their offerings. Yes you can share on FB, twitter etc from DH, but "posts that promote animal sales" aren't allowed per FB. What DH needs to do is set up notifications for users so they can follow certain sellers/searches (ie get an email when they post a horse for sale, or when a saved search has new results)

                                  Yes more horses come across your feed on FB, but the amount of resulting clutter is what makes finding what you WANT really hard. And the bad ads... OMG. One from today: Posted on a group specifically for eventers in the west. A 6 yr old mare, no height listed, doing TL dressage only - no jump pics or mention of jumping. Or breeding. In Texas. I mean you can't even join a specific group for location without getting ads for horses all over the place.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Groom&Taxi View Post
                                    ...if you can figure out how to get all clever on FB to avoid getting flagged, you should be able to figure out Dreamhorse or your platform of choice. To get all offended and emotional because *#*$*(^! FB is trying to enforce a policy that they have a right to make and enforce seems over the top.
                                    This.

                                    Originally posted by Groom&Taxi View Post
                                    The ability to see who else might be connected to a horse of interest, tag potential buyers, and generally "creep" - whether on the buying or selling side - is useful. However, those abilities don't necessarily go away if FB is not the base sales platform.
                                    Right - a user can still look up the seller on FB just as easily as before. In the UK there are even several "shady horse dealers" groups so you can find ou if people are bad dealers.

                                    Originally posted by Groom&Taxi View Post
                                    Legit question which I could probably find an answer to but is easier to ask - is linking to a web site with a horse sale ad ok per FB policy?
                                    From FB: "Policy
                                    Posts may not promote the sale of any animals. "

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                                    • #19
                                      Yeah I'm not on any groups like that so probably miss a lot of awful ads, LOL. I just have a few sellers I follow because I either know them or have seen enough nice horses from them. I'm not in the market, just like the eye candy

                                      DH setting up "follow" options, etc, would be great.
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                                      • #20
                                        When I joined fb it was specifically to buy dairy goats. There were groups with dedicated breeders, the top breeders of the country, on fb by region and by breed. It is easier to find breeders there and go to their home page than it is to use google. I had no idea there was a "no animal sales" policy. People have built very nice herds from fb that wouldn't have been possible with google or the ADGA or any of the few goat forums Online. It was also the best place to sell kids at good prices. Many informed people buy and sell dairy goats on fb and have built up a following. To see the rule enforced now, even if it was always a rule, is a crap blow. I've had to downsize my herd so this doesn't affect me. I started a page on MeWe for my pups. Never liked fb anyway but they seemed content to look the other way for a very long time as they conquered social media.
                                        Caring for Clifford, my big red dog and assorted monkeys, I mean goats. Protected by a few loyal Anatolian Shepherd Dogs and Kangals.

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