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    #21
    Originally posted by CatOnLap View Post
    So are you going to geld him?
    Don't know. Let's see how he cleans up.
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    • #22
      Originally posted by 5 View Post
      Don't know. Let's see how he cleans up.
      5, have you ever had a stallion before?

      He'll make a super gelding, I am sure. He's quite cute.
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      • #23
        Originally posted by CatOnLap View Post
        He'll make a super gelding, I am sure. He's quite cute.
        Agreed. Don't see anything about him that screams he should keep his dangly bits. Except for him, of course.
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        • #24
          Originally posted by mp View Post
          Jullyen el Jamaal is double Ali Jamaal, which makes him basically halter bred.

          Gondolier was a very successful race horse, and a jaw-dropping specimen -- he was big (~15.2) and had the best hip I have ever seen on an Arab. He was impressive even at the age of 29, the last time I saw him.

          As a sire, Gondolier didn't produce any winners, but his daughters have produced some excellent reiners when crossed on QHs. They are sought after as broodmares for sporthorses.

          This particular colt is cute, but took after the Jamaal breeding. And that's unfortunate.
          I'm quite familiar with the pedigree/horses in it - He doesn't look that Jamaal to me and I've seen quite a few (and the sire in person several times as well). The Jamaals wouldn't necessarily be my first pick for performance animals, but with more performance-bred dams (like this one has), probably pretty decent. I don't see what's 'unfortunate' about him. He's a cute guy and looks a lot more like the dam's side of the pedigree anyway.

          Originally posted by arabhorse2 View Post
          Agreed. Don't see anything about him that screams he should keep his dangly bits. Except for him, of course.
          The photos are not great or flattering of him, and that makes a big difference. Of course, he absolutely should be gelded ASAP if the papers cannot be acquired. Cleaned up and fit, you might have something pretty nice. Or not...you don't really know and can't say with any certainty whether something is of that caliber or not. If he's nice to handle, might as well see what you've got - no harm done - and hopefully can market him appropriately.

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            #25
            Originally posted by Dazednconfused View Post
            If he's nice to handle, might as well see what you've got - no harm done - and hopefully can market him appropriately.

            He is quite nice to handle and 'if' he is stallion material I will sell him to someone with facilities to stand him.

            You can't 'unsnip' them.
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            • #26
              Originally posted by Dazednconfused View Post
              I'm quite familiar with the pedigree/horses in it - He doesn't look that Jamaal to me and I've seen quite a few (and the sire in person several times as well). The Jamaals wouldn't necessarily be my first pick for performance animals, but with more performance-bred dams (like this one has), probably pretty decent. I don't see what's 'unfortunate' about him. He's a cute guy and looks a lot more like the dam's side of the pedigree anyway.
              Rather long back, poorly placed ls joint, looks a little weedy. To me, those are unfortunate features on a stallion.

              He definitely does not resemble any Gondolier daughter I've ever seen, and certainly not Gondolier himself.

              His daintiness, long neck (tho nicely set), and lack of bone/substance remind me of the Jamaal horses I've seen (Jullyen, Parys and Ali himself). Jullyen is the best of the bunch, but I really didn't care for any of them.

              5, it's true that you can't unsnip them. It's also true that no amount of conditioning or cleaning up is going to shorten his back (which also looks quite low for a 5 y.o.) and improve his hindquarters. They are what they are.

              But good luck to you.
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              • #27
                Originally posted by 5 View Post
                He is quite nice to handle and if he is stallion material I will sell him to someone with facilities to stand him.
                Straight out of one stall into another and no shows inbetween?

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                • #28
                  In the Arabian world does it matter if they toe out? I would think so, and this cute guy does toe out significantly.

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                    #29
                    Is this the point in the thread where the vultures start picking the horse apart?

                    My horse, my choice but it will be rational and not swayed by the opinion of someone a hundred miles away looking at a still photo (Taken by a bad photographer while he is dirtyn out of shape and has untrimmed neglected feet).

                    That said, vultures have fun.
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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by 5 View Post
                      Is this the point in the thread where the vultures start picking the horse apart?

                      My horse, my choice but it will be rational and not swayed by the opinion of someone a hundred miles away looking at a still photo.

                      That said, vultures have fun.
                      Well, if you'd omitted the part about flipping him as breeding stock, I expect you'd have gotten less of that...
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                      • #31
                        Originally posted by 5 View Post
                        My horse, my choice but it will be rational and not swayed by the opinion of someone a hundred miles away looking at a still photo.
                        No, rational is having him gelded. Especially in this economy.

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                        • #32
                          Originally posted by 5 View Post
                          My horse, my choice but it will be rational and not swayed by the opinion of someone a hundred miles away looking at a still photo.
                          Oddly enough, as the owner of a HA mare (and a former registrar), if I found myself in the market for a stallion, I would most likely be getting my first impression of him from photos on a website. I would look long and hard at his conformation before I looked at his performance record before I looked at his pedigree before I requested any video.

                          Don't summarily dismiss the opinion of the very people you may be trying to market to in the future.
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                          • #33
                            Normally I seem to agree with you on most issues MP, so I think I will just have to agree to disagree here.

                            I don't think the people on this board would be this particular horse's target market.

                            The current photos of the horse are horrible. They aren't taken from the right angles to judge him conformationally at all, taken in deep sand (which can make a horse look like he has quite terrible angular limb deformities), let alone make him look his best, he's not clipped or bathed, and were probably taken with a crappy point & shoot or disposable...although, that too is part of marketing. If I had a stallion prospect I suppose I wouldn't be posting unprofessional shots of him on a forum because I wouldn't want people to get the idea he had faults he didn't have No way you can tell if he's significantly toed out from the photos provided, and even if he is, if he's been on a lien then perhaps his foot care hasn't been the best or most consistent. Toeing out is as much of an issue in arabians as in any other breed or as any other fault...depends on the severity, if it causes a change in movement, whether the horse is a halter or performance horse, if the foot is just turned out or it begins at the knee, etc. Regardless, you can't tell from the photos anyway...

                            Not sure why anyone would immediately assume that the OP isn't going to show him or make sure he's well broke etc before marketing him as a stallion...no need to jump on them.

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                            • #34
                              The most substantial part of this horse is his testicles.

                              Judging from his weaving in the video, this horse would be much happier as a gelding.

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                              • #35
                                Originally posted by Dazednconfused View Post
                                Not sure why anyone would immediately assume that the OP isn't going to show him or make sure he's well broke etc before marketing him as a stallion...no need to jump on them.
                                You're quite right. OP, how will you decide if he's stallion material? What's your plan?

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                                • #36
                                  Originally posted by grayarabpony View Post
                                  The most substantial part of this horse is his testicles.

                                  Judging from his weaving in the video, this horse would be much happier as a gelding.
                                  He's not weaving. He's being what's termed "bagged" or "shagged" (plastic on the end of a whip, or plastic bottle with rocks, etc) in a pen that's too small. Appropriately done it yields photos & video that are actually good for marketing to arabian folks...not done correctly or professionally, as here, the results are none too flattering, much like the photos posted of him...

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                                    #37
                                    Originally posted by chaltagor View Post
                                    You're quite right. OP, how will you decide if he's stallion material? What's your plan?
                                    Initial plan is to get him broke and see what I have.

                                    He was supposed to be my replacement for the Barbie Horse who I had wanted to do endurance on and this colt looked at first glance like he might be able to do the job if I don't rush the conditioning. He has been locked up like a veal for from the talk around the stable for over a year.

                                    If the trainer sees potential to resell as a fancy horse the next owner can geld or not it will be his choice and I will look for a new replacement horse.
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                                    • #38
                                      Looks like he's weaving to me. His focus is all on the other horse.

                                      I knew a stallion (Arabian, by chance) who was a stall weaver and would do a larger pattern like that when turned out.

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                                        #39
                                        Originally posted by grayarabpony View Post
                                        Looks like he's weaving to me. His focus is all on the other horse.

                                        I knew a stallion (Arabian, by chance) who was a stall weaver and would do a larger pattern like that when turned out.
                                        He doesn't weave.
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                                        • #40
                                          He looks like he will make a wonderful gelding.I am familiar with arabs having shown them off and of for many years.He does not scream stallion to me.Not enough substance.
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